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Hi ktpworker. :D Unfortunately, that is not the case. Perhaps that figure works for a vehicle you purchased, but every vehicle can/will be different. Again, I use the figures from my MKZ (all in my earlier post, so anyone can double check them). The MSRP was $31,775. Divide that by 7,000 and you get 4.539 (and change). So that would be $4,539 off the MSRP. Using your calculation, that would give us an A-Plan price of $27,236. Again, as I mentioned in my earlier post, the actual A-Plan price on my MKZ was $28,821. That is a difference of -$1,585. That is not even close to the correct amount. Additionally, I tried that calculation on several other vehicles, and it never comes closer than approximately $800-$900. It may/probably come closer on some vehicles I did not check, but obviously it is not a reliable formula. I know you and others are trying to be helpful with these calculations, but they only serve to accidentally misinform those who are asking for A-Plan pricing. The only way to find out the true A-Plan pricing is to either have the Dealer show you the Factory Invoice (as they are required to), check A-Plan pricing on Inventory vehicles on the Ford Employee AXZD-Plan website, or use the calculation formula from the Ford Employee website (Dealer Invoice – Holdback – Advertising Assessment + $75 Administration Fee + AZ Plan Surcharge). But of course, most/none of us have access to the Holdback, Advertising Fee, and AZ-Plan Surcharge amounts, so our choices for accurate A-Plan pricing are to see Factory Invoice or check online A-Plan pricing. Again, I realize everyone is trying to help with these rough calculation formulas, but they are not accurate. Sometimes there is no shortcut. Good luck. :beerchug:

EDIT - Corrected for a math error I made. Corrected amounts are in red. Hi akirby. :D That calculation comes close, but is still off very slightly. AZ-Plan price of my MKZ was $28,821. 4% of that figure is $1152.84. Add those two figures and we get a total of $29,973.84. X-Plan price was $29,941.13. So there is a difference of +$32.71. But it is relatively close. And then if we divide X-Plan ($29,941.13) by 1.04, we get $28,789.548, which is a difference of +$31.46, and different than the $32.71 amount above. Maybe that $1.25 difference can be explained by Ford rounding amounts up or down somewhere that we do not know of? For anyone else who would like to try the calculations on their own (or double check my sometimes shaky math skills ), here are the pricing amounts on my MKZ (again, straight off the original copy of the Factory Invoice, which also match the figures on the VOC): MSRP - $31,775 Invoice - $29,688 (including LMDA, Destination and Delivery, Fuel etc.) X-Plan - $29,941.13 A/Z-Plan - $28,821 My head hurts now from all of this thinking. I believe I need a nap. Good luck. :beerchug:

Hi partsisparts. :D No, unfortunately that is not the case. I have included all fees and charges (including FDAF/LMDA, U.S. Gal Gas, Destination and Delivery etc.). I am working right off the Factory Invoice. I am looking at the Dealer Invoice right now, sitting in front of me. Dealer Invoice price of my MKZ was $29,688 (that is the total, including all of the above charges, including LMDA, the Lincoln-Mercury equivalent of the FDAF). 4.5% of that figure is $1,355.96. Subtract that amount and you have a subtotal of $28,352.04. The A/Z-Plan price for my MKZ was $28,821 (again, right off the Dealer Invoice sitting in front of me). That leaves a price difference of $468.96. So using the 4.5% discount figure will give an A-Plan price that is $497 too low (rounded off). I can perform the same calculations with my sisters Taurus X Invoice and the discrepancy will be over $500 ($510 rounded off, as I explained last night). I am extremely familiar with the pricing structure. The A-Plan discount is not a straight 4.5% off of Factory Invoice. The amount varies from model to model and even within model ranges, according to how a vehicle is equipped/optioned. EDIT - To help settle this discussion, I have copied and pasted the explanation of AXZD-Plan pricing, directly from the Ford AXZD-Plan website. It reads as follows (and is there for anyone to double check, if they have access to the Employee site): AZ-Plan Dealer Invoice – Holdback – Advertising Assessment + $75 Administration Fee + AZ Plan Surcharge. The above underlined and bold statement is the A-Plan calculation. Notice it does not state "Dealer Invoice price - 4.5%". It is a more involved calculation formula, and includes several figures which us mere mortals do not have normal access to (i.e the Dealer Holdback amount and what the A/Z Plan surcharge amount may be). Those figures will vary from vehicle to vehicle. This is why I have explained to "oldfashioned" (the original poster) that the A-Plan price can not be broken down into a straight percentage off of the Dealer Invoice. To try and do so will give an inaccurate price. Please understand that I am not trying to be argumentative. I just hate to quote inaccurate pricing figures to people who are asking, because they will then figure we do not know what we are talking about, or thinking they have the right price quote from us, may incorrectly argue with a Dealerships pricing figure, thinking they are being ripped off. Good luck. :beerchug:

Hi ViperPilot. :D Good advice to have Carl edit out his E-mail address. However, you might want to edit out his E-mail address from your quote of his post in your reply. :slap: Carl took your advice, but you have his E-mail address posted for all of posterity in your reply to him. Good luck VP. :beerchug:

Hi partsisparts, and anyone else interested. :D Again, there is no definitive % off figure that you can deduct from a vehicles Invoice price that will give an accurate A-Plan price. It will vary from model to model, and again even from vehicle to vehicle in the same model line according to how the vehicle is equipped/optioned. For example, if you used the "4.5% off dealer invoice total" figure stated above, you would come up with an A-Plan price that is $468 too low on my MKZ, and $510 too low on my sisters Taurus X. To me, that is not close enough to be considered an accurate figure. The only way to find the true A/Z-Plan price is to have the Dealer show you the Factory Invoice with the A-Plan price box listing the A-Plan price (as required by Ford), or sign up for the Ford Employee AXZD-Plan website and check A-Plan pricing on Dealer Inventory vehicles. A Ford Employee will have no problem finding out the true A-Plan pricing of a vehicle, either online or at the Dealership. Good luck. :beerchug:

Hi oldfashoined. :D An individual will not get a new, non-demo car for less than A-Plan, on their own. A-Plan pricing is what the Dealer actually paid Ford for the car. So that would mean they are selling a new, non demo vehicle for less than their cost. Concerning a percentage: Again, A-Plan pricing can not be calculated in that way. I am not trying to keep a secret, it just does not work in that manner. Some members here will work in approximate numbers (and that is their right to do so if they like), I do not. Since you are a Ford Employee, all you need to do is register for the Ford Employee AXZD-Plan website. Then you can price out any vehicle, in any Dealers Inventory and get exact A-Plan pricing. Good luck. :beerchug:

Hi oldfashioned. :D The A-Plan price is not a set percentage, and it is not based off of the MSRP, it is based off the Factory Invoice Price. No way to answer how much of a discount it will be, as it will vary from model to model, and even vehicle to vehicle within the same model range, according to how they are equipped/optioned. No sure what you mean by "you can get better discounts by now saying you are a ford employee." That is not how A-Plan sales work. You can not just "say you ar a Ford Employee". You must be an Employee or a family member. Again, the only exception is when Ford offers "Family Plan Pricing" for a particular model range. Then any buyer can get that pricing. But just saying you are a Ford Employee is not an option. Good luck. :beerchug:

Hi all. :D Just to make a slight correction to what theoldwizard stated: X-Plan is approximately equal to the Dealer Invoice. In fact, according to the cost of the vehicle, X-Plan pricing is normally $50-$150 (give or take) below Dealer Invoice. A-Plan is well below Dealer Invoice and X-Plan pricing. And again, it is non-negotiable. Also, as theoldwizard stated: A-Plan is only for qualifying Ford Employees and certain immediate family members (or in the case of certain Ford sponsored promotions, when they offer "Family Plan Pricing" on certain vehicles). But other then those types of promotions, no exceptions. Good luck. :beerchug:

Hi oldfashioned. :D The A-Plan is a set price. There is no negotiating. It is not an Incentive or Rebate that is deducted from the MSRP. Essentially, for the sake of easy description, it is the price that the Dealer pays Ford for the vehicle (the Dealer gets a certain amount of reimbursement from Ford for the sale, but that is another story and also not up for negotiation. An A-Plan price is well below both the MSRP and the "Factory Invoice" price. Once you have determined a vehicles A-Plan price (by having the Dealer show you the Factory Invoice with the A-Plan price box clearly readable), you are then entitled to all Incentives and Rebates normally available to the general public. These Incentives are deducted from th A-Plan price. Hope this is not too confusing. Good luck. :beerchug:

Hi all. :D Just an idea that I have seen others recommend, concerning the stick on keypad. Install it to the inside of your Fuel Filler Door. This idea is especially helpful when the door is on the drivers side. This way, the keypad is out of sight (for security purposes) and protected (from the elements). Of course, this is a no go if you have a locking Fuel Filler Door (with a release inside the passenger compartment). Anyway, just a thought. Good luck. :beerchug:

EDIT - Akirby typed faster than I did! :stats: Hi Doug. :D The problem here is one of terminology. Family Plan Pricing is not an Incentive. It is a Pricing Plan, just like the X-Plan. Essentially, Ford has several types of "Price Plans". Among them are (starting at the biggest discount): 1- A/Z Plan Pricing (Ford Employee or Family Plan). This is for qualifying Ford Employees (A), Ford Retirees (Z) and certain immediate family members. It is the lowest Pricing Plan available. Then any available Incentives and Rebates can also be deducted. 2 - D-Plan (Dealership Employee). This Plan is for qualifying Ford/Lincoln-Mercury Dealership employees. It is about $100 more than A/Z-Plan pricing on a vehicle. Then any available Incentives and Rebates can also be deducted. 3 - X-Plan (Friends and Neighbors Plan). This price Plan gives an individual an Initial purchase price of slightly below Factory Invoice price on a vehicle. Then any available Incentives and Rebates can also be deducted. These (AXZD-Plan) are not Cash Incentives or Cash Rebates (like $1,000 Bonus Customer Cash, or $2,000 Retail Bonus Cash) that can be combined with each other. So you can use one Plan or the other: Either A or Z or D or X, according to which you may qualify for, but not multiple Plans. It does not/can not work that way. And the Family (or A/Z-Plan, is as good as it gets). And then as stated above, if there are any other true Cash Incentives, Cash Rebates or Special Low APR Finance offers, they can be combined with the Family Plan Pricing (if you qualify). So you were given the correct information. Just be sure that the Dealer gives you the correct "Family Plan" price. The way you verify the price is by having the Dealer show you the "Factory Invoice". On the Invoice will be a box labeled "A-Plan". That is the A/Z (or Family Plan) price. If the Dealer will not show you the Invoice, and only shows you some other hand written figures, or a "doctored" Invoice copy, tell them you will walk away unless you are shown the proper documentation. Hope this is not too confusing. Good luck. :beerchug:

Hi weriley. :D Yes you can, but you would need to rewire the system. However, two warnings: One - it would not be a wise thing to do (explained below). Two - in most if not all states, it is illegal (also explained below). There is a reason for this. They are not "driving lights", they are "fog lights". There is a big difference between the two. The quick story is that fog lights are typically positioned low on a vehicles front end and aimed low, to keep the light low so it does not reflect off of the fog and back into the drivers eyes. If they were positioned and aimed higher, the light reflecting off the fog and back at the drivers eyes would actually dangerously decrease vision distance in foggy conditions. Also, they have a different reflector construction and bulb type (again, to keep the light low to the road). Driving lights are meant to throw light further down the road, similar to a high beam. They are usually positiones higher on a vehicles front end, and they are aimed higher. The reflector (and bulb) is different constructed to throw light down the road. You do not want high beams or driving lights on in foggy conditions, as the higher aimed and higher intensity light will reflect off the fog, decreasing vision. Therefore, wiring your fog lights to be on when your high beams are on would be self defeating, since you then could not use them in foggy driving conditions without your high beams being on, therefore decreasing your vision in the fog (and that is dangerous). Also, in most states it is illegal to drive with more than 4 lights on the front of the vehicle (not including parking lights). This would be any combination of low beam, high beam, fog light, driving light, etc.). If the Sport Trac keeps the low beams on when the high beams are also turned on, it would be illegal to have the fog lights on at the same time, as that would be six lights. Having stated all of the above, I am not telling you not to do it. It is your vehicle and you can do what you want. I am just advising you of the wise thing to do (safety wise), along with the pitfalls and legalities. Whatever you decide to do, good luck. :beerchug:

Hi 98GMLS. :D No common problems. To date they are very reliable cars. I would highly recommend the Taurus to family or friends. They are good looking cars and reliable. Also more refined than the 500, due to the new 3.5 liter engine and other improvements. As far as deciding between FWD or AWD, this would be my advice: Unless you live in an area which receives heavy snowfall/very harsh winters and have a job which forces you to travel in that type of weather (Doctor, Emergency/Police, etc.) stick with the FWD. There is obviously an up front cost penalty for the AWD, and an ensuing cost of ownership penalty that follows (decreased fuel mileage, mechanical complexity). Just my opinion. Whatever you decide to do, good luck. :beerchug:

Hi pudealee. :D You can have the Dealer retrieve your Keyless Entry code. If you purchased the Taurus X from a Ford Dealer, I would ask them to retrieve it, and they should do it without charge. If you purchased privately, or not from a Ford/Lincoln-Mercury Dealer, a Ford Dealer will probably charge you to retrieve the code. Also, some owners have stated they have found the code on a sticker on or near the PCM (usually down in the passenger footwell, by the glove compartment/kick panel). Also, others have said they have found the code on a sticker in the passenger compartment fuse box (usually below and to the left of the steering column. I have never needed to check my vehicle for the code, so I can not vouch for the accuracy of that information. But it is worth it for you to take a look. Yes, you can have a key cut. But you need to be sure that the key has the chip embedded to deactivate the engine immobilizer. It will need to be programmed along with your other keys/keyfobs. Again, you can get it from your Dealer or take your chances with Ebay/the Internet. Good luck. :beerchug:

Hi czc587. :D I am assuming you mean "how I can get" (not "how I cant get")? You can obtain an Oasis report from any Lincoln-Mercury or Ford Dealer Service Department. Good luck. :beerchug:

Hi charper. :D Not sure what you are calling "Registration Fees". Terminology is very important here. A Dealer is not allowed to charge any "Dealer Added Fees" other than a $75 maximum "Documentation Fee". NO Dealer Prep Fees, Computer Usage Fees, Delivery Fees, Destination Fees, Owners New Beach House Home Fees etc etc. may be added to the AXZ-Plan price, as shown in the labeled boxes on the Factory Invoice.. However, the Dealer obviously can charge you whatever State mandated fees are charge by your local government to Title, Register, obtain Plates for a vehicle etc. However, the Dealer can not charge you more than what the State/Province charges for that paperwork. So if your State/Province charges $150 for Title, Registration and Plates, then you must pay the $150 (not $175, $200 etc.). In addition of course, you must also pay any State and Local Taxes charged in your area. You must also pay any other State mandated fees that are charged where you live. For example, my State also charges a $7.50 Fee to new car purchases for tire recycling ($1.50 per tire X 5 tires including the spare), so we must pay that fee. As I stated, using the correct terminology is very important when deciphering what Fees and Charges are/are not allowed by Ford on AXZ-Plan sales. Does this help clear things up a little? Good luck. :beerchug:

Hi AV99. :D The best way to get an S-Plan price on a Mazda product is to go to the Dealer and tell them you are interested in purchasing a vehicle on the S-Plan. If the Dealer is willing to sell you a vehicle on the Plan, they are required (by Ford) to show you the original copy of the Factory Invoice. On that Factory Invoice is a box labeled "S-Plan". The price in that box is your S-Plan price. If a Dealer will not show you the Factory Invoice, they are not planning on dealing honestly, so find another Dealer. We cannot access Mazda S-Plan pricing by VIN online in the same manner as we can with Ford-Lincoln-Mercury X-Plan pricing. Therefore, any price quotes we can give you are only guesstimates, and due to inaccuracy leave too much room for Dealer games. Good luck. :beerchug:

Hi Tony. :D Congratulations on your new MKZ! We have an '07 and love it. Concerning your questions: Unfortunately, no easy fix (really, no fix at all). The struts can not be adjusted to pop the trunk up higher. As to snow on the bumper. If you take a close look, you will notice that the top of the bumper is almost level with the trunk opening. Essentially, this means before opening the trunk we have to clean any snow off the bumper (and the top of the trunk) anyway, otherwise the snow may fall into the trunk. Being an MKZ owner, and living where we do get snow, I find it really is not that big of a hassle. I think even swapping in aftermarket hydraulic lifters really will not help. You will still need to stick your fingers under the trunk lid first, to enable lifting the lid the 6 inches or so to get it started. In addition, you are still left having to clean the trunk of snow, as the weight of the snow would keep them from operating correctly. I think the only viable option is to wipe the snow off the bumper first. I know that this is not really the answer you wanted to hear, but it is pretty much something that we have to live with. Best of luck with your MKZ! :beerchug:

Well, I was not being condescending, nor was I being fake. I was having what I thought was a good natured debate, and stated so. However, my good nature does have its bounds. If you no longer wished to discuss this subject, all you needed to do was not reply, or reply stating that you no longer wished to discuss it. I would have dropped it, since I thought it was all in fun while also being informative. Instead, I guess you reached the limits of your intelligence and could no longer back your stance, so had to resort to immaturity and insults. Oh, and deleting the text from all of your previous posts except for the first, and leaving your IQ stamp is quite telling, by the way. Attempting to remove the evidence of your ignorance, no doubt. Unfortunately, you were not intelligent enough to avoid displaying an even higher level of ignorance in its place. At no point in any of my previous posts did I insult you, nor did I intend to. I have been actually helping people here (mostly in the Employee Forums) for quite a while. Your lack of wit and completely invisible sense of humor will not be missed. However, I still will not sink to your level of intelligence or profanity. If you consider that condescending, so be it. It's people like you that keep many members from actually joining in regular discussions. PS - "Profanity is the last refuge of...". Look it up, Mr. Faulty Research.

EDIT - I nearly forgot: Happy Fathers Day to all of you that are Dads, and to your Fathers for all the rest (which would cover all of us)! Hi Watchdevil. :D The horse has been beaten, re-beaten, buried, dug up and beat again. Key term is "marketed as". Definitions of body styles are not created by Automotive Manufacturers marketing departments. Plus, no offense but you've jumped the fence (and the shark) at least twice on the "Coupe DeVille". Glad we finally agree that the Mondeo pictured is not a Coupe, since even you must admit that "I have no problem with them being given such a descriptive name" is a convenient non-answer. Sort of like "It's according to what the definition of is, is", or "I did not have sex with that woman, Monica Lewinsky". Now, "Yes, I think it is a coupe" would be a good, take a real stand kind of answer that would make me think, "Hey, Watchdevil really believes it is a coupe." Then we could both rest easy knowing that we will never agree completely on this one. But "I have no problem with..."? Come on, I know you can do netter than that! There is just no conviction there. I am sorry, I know a man who will do this much research over something so...so...well, you know what I mean. You just must do better than "I have no problem with...! It just makes me believe you truly want to come into the light of the truth! :angel: Again, even the article calls it a "Coupoon". And the Wikipedia definition you provided (when read in its entirety) defines it as a 4 door Sedan. Come on, take the first step, the rest is easy. Good luck. :beerchug: PS - Watchdevil, I hope you agree with me that this is all in fun. :yup: I do not expect to change how you feel, as I am sure you know my convictions will not change (I do have the "unimpeachable" Wikipedia on my side)! :stats:

Hi Watchdevil. :D Thanks for the very interesting walk down memory lane. Just one little correction though: Notchback, Fastback etc. are simply descriptive terms for roof styles. Coupe, Hardtop, Sedan etc. are actually body styles. A slight but important differentiation. Essentially, the fact that Ford did not market, name or advertise something as a "Coupe" does not change the fact that it either is or is not a coupe. Just as we agreed that Cadillac calling a two door vehicle with B-Pillars a "Coupe DeVille" did not change the fact that it was not really a Coupe, just named one as a marketing tool. Again, the differentiation is paramount. Anyway, I'm glad we now agree that the 4 door B-Pillared Mondeo pictured in the "Car Magazine Online" article is not a coupe, as reinforced by your researched information. And thanks a bunch for the list of so many old cars that I have actually either driven or been a passenger in during my lifetime. Keep up the wonderful research. Good luck. :beerchug:

Hi Watchdevil. :D Please, before you reply again, would you answer this question: Do you believe that the Mondeo pictured in the story (which has four doors and B-Pillars) is really a "Coupe". If the answer is no, let's please drop it as we agree. If the answer is yes, let's still drop it because we will never agree. I will cite numerous expert opinions stating that by definition it is not a coupe, but somehow we will once again wind up endlessly debating the naming of the 1981-1984 Coupe DeVille or some other vehicle that correctly or incorrectly calls itself a "Coupe". I respect your right to disagree and will not think less of you for it. In addition, let me make clear that my original post was meant to correct the misinformation in the article, not anything that you were saying. It is certainly not your fault that the writer of that article mislabeled the Mondeo as a coupe (then corrected himself later in the article). Now, to address your last post. Ummm...it seems no matter how many times I state that in my original post "I was not trying to incite a debate on what qualifies a two door coupe, only point out that the Mondeo pictured above was a Sedan (4 doors, B-Pillar etc.), not a Coupe.", you keep going back to the Coupe DeVille. Might the 1981 Coupe DeVille have a B-Pillar? Sure maybe. All that means is Cadillac used the term "Coupe" improperly. Poetic License. Marketing ploy. Who cares? It just means it was a two door sedan being called a coupe. Automakers and all products that depend highly on image do it all the time. There are no truth in labeling laws concerning the naming of cars. Your Mustang does not have four legs, a tail and eat grass, right? With all due respect, so what? I actually forget now, are you saying the Cadillac Coupe DeVille is a legitimate coupe, or is not? Do you even know anymore? Does it even make a difference? What does all of this have to do with the Mondeo? What is the meaning of life? (I am just kidding, so please do not take offense). In fact, I will go a step further and give you this point: If the 1981-1984 Coupe DeVille or any other two door car that called itself a "Coupe" also had a B-Pillar, it was false advertising and improperly named. Again, just a marketing ploy to make it sound "sportier". Does that finally solve the Coupe DeVille controversy? Your Mustang is a coupe. Two doors, no B-Pillar (large C-pillar with a fixed window). Does the fact that those two cars (Coupe DeVille and Mustang) are whatever they are change what the Mondeo is? No. The point is, the Mondeo pictured in the story is not a "Coupe". It has four doors and B-Pillars, therefore it is a four door sedan. Again, a beautiful, sportier looking four door sedan, but by definition still a four door sedan. For the love of God, even the text of the story states that the Mondeo it is not really a coupe ("Coupoon" remember. A sporty roofed, B-Pillared Sedan)! In one of your earlier posts you provided a Wikipedia definition to back up your point of view. As it turned out, when read completely it stated otherwise. No harm and no big deal. I am not going to go searching the Internet for pictures of the 1981-1984 Coupe DeVilles and Fleetwood Coupes. And before you search the Internet for pictures, please think about it first, because in the end it just does not matter. If it had a true B-Pillar, it was not a "Coupe" according to the definition of a "Coupe", no matter what Cadillac called it. If it had no B-Pillar, it was a coupe. Simple as that. Again, the point is, the Mondeo pictured above is not a "coupe". Four doors, B-Pillar etc. I am sure you are a nice person, but I just do not care what a 1981-1984 Cadillac should/shouldn't be called. The Mondeo pictured above is not a coupe. Do you agree? I hope we can agree that there is no reason for either of us to waste more time on this debate, right? Our paychecks and lifetime happiness do not depend on this. In addition, I wanted to thank you for keeping the conversation polite and courteous. Not everyone here always keeps it on a mature level. I appreciate that, and will continue to do so myself (but I really hope it can just amicably end). :yup: I think I need a nap now. I'm exhausted. :eek5: Good luck. :beerchug: PS - I know, I know. I underline a lot for emphasis. My bad.

Hi Chad. :D Figure on an average of two weeks. It will certainly put you in the ballpark. To give you an example: My 2007 Lincoln MKZ was built on 11/7/06 in Hermosillo, Mexico. It arrived at my Dealership in New Jersey on 11/20/06. So 13 days, door to door. Keep in mind though, the build date on the door jamb only gives a month and year, no specific day. So you really cannot calculate an exact arrival date at the Dealer, since there is a 28-31 day spread from the first day of the month to the last day. So essentially, you can only get the Dealer arrival date down to a one month period (the middle of the build month to the middle of the following month). Just trying to give a heads up on that. Good luck. :beerchug:

Hi Watchdevil. :D No, actually that may be where the confusion is coming from. Your Mustang does not have a "B-Pillar". It has a large C-Pillar with a fixed window in it. Same thing with the Coupe DeVille. No B-Pillar, just a fixed window in the C-Pillar. Essentially those windows are the equivalent of what used to be called "Opera Windows" in the older days. Just decorative (and sometimes functional for visibility purposes) fixed windows in the C-Pillar. Hopefully that clears up the confusion, and we can move on. And again, I was not trying to incite a debate on what qualifies a two door coupe, only point out that the Mondeo pictured above was a Sedan (4 doors, B-Pillar etc.), not a Coupe. Good luck. :beerchug:

Hi weriley. :D I understand your point. However, as a counterpoint I would offer this: Since virtually no one drives the posted limit, exceeding it by at least 5 mph, it could be argued that it makes more sense to have the marked speeds be on the 10's instead of the fives. Heck, everyone knows "you can drive 5 mph over the limit without worrying about being stopped by the police", right? It could also be argued that someone who's eyesight is so bad that they have trouble focusing on the speedometer for a second or two and then back on the road should not be driving in the first place. At least not until they see the Optometrist and get new glasses. Of course, I am only joking and making these points in a "tongue in cheek' manner. Neither you, I or anyone else can answer why the speedometer is marked the way it is. It just is. I don't think many people make a car buying decision based on speedometer markings, so it is just one of those things we have to learn to live with. Again, I am not trying to be a wise-guy, just presenting some joking counterpoints. Good luck. :beerchug: