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But the market doesnt command it and that dealership will never sell one. I have a 2020ST that I am getting now for Dplan pricing plus $100. They are giving me all holdback less $100 and this was with zero negotiating. Ford is building over 40,000 STs a year.. There is zero reason to pay more then invoice on an ST period. Look at all the gt350s for sale used now on the market. You will not pass an ADM on to someone else on the used market IMO. There are dealers selling Raptors over MSRP yet my guy who had 13 on the lot would always sell at MSRP.

At least on the 5th gen, with the exhaust going straight out, the wind effect swirled it around very badly around the tailgate. In the winter time, you couldn't see out the back glass during heavy acceleration until the vehicle warmed up. Having it point downward eliminated a lot of that swirling around reducing the chance of it being sucked in IMO. Even the 19s on some of the Explorers now have the turn down exhaust behind the bumper (just like what Ford did to the PUIs for at no charge). The fact Ford did it to Civilian vehicles (without quad tips) and PIUs, there is no way Ford did it for "carbon buildup on the tips". Here is the 5th gen modification pics and TSB. Too much of a coincidence.. I am not knocking Ford taking extra steps to protect customers but dont spin it in a direction that is not the truth. I would respect Ford if they said "Customer safety is of utmost importance and we designed the Explorer exhaust system to exit as far away from the tailgate as possible" or something in those regards. https://ford.oemdtc.com/2617/exhaust-odor-in-vehicle-2011-2015-ford-explorer/3

When I buy a brand new vehicle from the factory, I should not have to adjust my headlights to factory specs, they should be at the factory specs since... well... ya know... it just came from the factory 2 weeks prior.

I absolutely love the looks of this car. I have been a fan of the exterior for several years and like it far more then the Challenger. What I dont like is the cheap plastic inside. From the plastic the seat controls are attached to, to the cheap door trim etc. When I was at the NY auto show, it's all I could see when looking at the inside. For the price tag, they could do much better with materials inside.

They can play it off that way but I am willing to bet it is for CO. Ford redesigned the exhausts on the 5th gen for those experiencing the exhaust smell OR/AND CO issues. They were a chrome tip but had a hole just like this and it was a turn down (fake). My $$$ is that Ford continued this on the 2020 to prevent any issues or worries for people aware of the 5th gen issues. And you can bet Ford would never own up to or admit it.

They are amready shipping. Some dealers in OH received some this week.

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Fixed that for you.

Ummmm... they got 0-60 in 5.1 seconds!!

Too lazy to read through all this again. One of the articles said they averaged 23.1mpg in the Explorer hybrid in their test route. Now I know a short test is not representative of real world but if this is accurate, this will be a big fail.

Who knows what options that ST curb weight had. Mine had most of them and I trust Fords invoice over a 3rd party review. This is 1 of mine. I did not choose the smokers ash tray, wheel locks, DVD, rubber mats. Could all these add up to 95lbs more? I dont think so.

omg.. the front of that truck in that video shot is just... Ughhhh.. I swear the media tries to use the ugliest versions of the truck as advertisement lol.

ok, just got a copy of the invoice for my ST. Tech package, moonroof, track pack, roof cross bars, mud flaps.. it is 4,606lbs. So it is about 260lbs heavier than the base weight.

Wow, and the ST is 4,345lbs. So Aviator is already 550lbs more and the GT is 1,333lbs more. I haven't researched competitors but one really thinks the GT will be in the 4s being over 1,300 lbs greater then the ST at a 5.5 0-60?

What in the..... oh just nevermind. I give up.

Just some points of reference. First 2 screen shots are dealer orders. 3rd is from the link that talks about it. https://www.autoevolution.com/news/2020-ford-explorer-teased-in-beijing-will-be-made-in-china-and-chicago-125276.html

From what I have read, it is a 10r60 going in the Explorer, not 10r80

Exactly what I was told. Although one of my STs was pushed out from July 24th to Aug 4th, my other ST order is still showing June 24th to be built as of yesterday. Looks like everything is good to go.

This was the same person who said all builds before the ok to buy is given are crushed lol.. So take that for what it is worth. I was told on a few occasions that they were shooting for the 13th. I got word on the 13th around 130pm that it was given a few hours prior. Havent heard anything of the contrary yet.

All I can say is the QC manager of CAP said it was given for Explorer only (not hybrid)

It's not the tow rating that is the downfall, it is payload.

Maybe the 3.0 will have a detuned version in the GT. Just like the Platinum Explorer has the same 3.0 as the ST but has 365HP instead of 400HP. If the GT is detuned, that means more HP for the electric motor to hit the 450HP.

Ok to Buy hasn't been issued on the Aviators. It will continue to push out until that is given.

^^^ I agree. I am sure 1 of the 7 drive modes (Sport?) will have 100% full electric assist with the gas engine and it will really move off the line.