David Johnson Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 (edited) Just wait Toyota will show double digit increases. Toy was down 7.3% (3.5% when adjusted for fewer selling days). Model breakdown: http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories....7330&EDATE= Edited August 1, 2007 by David Johnson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igor Posted August 1, 2007 Author Share Posted August 1, 2007 (edited) NO WAY...I don't believe it..where is the link their report says 03.7%, but without a table you do not know how that was manipulated. http://www.toyota.com/about/news/corporate...01-1-sales.html oh and Toyota outsold FoMoCo in July - and Toyota brand outsold Ford brand. EDIT: David Johnson beat me to it . Ford's numbers are unadjusted. Igor Edited August 1, 2007 by igor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SVT_MAN Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 Damn. The new Taurus is selling slower than molasses in the winter. I bet it's because they haven't advertised it .. at all ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igor Posted August 1, 2007 Author Share Posted August 1, 2007 A BIG NOTE: unadjusted for the fewer selling days - GM sales were DOWN 21.8% ... Igor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2005Explorer Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 I was over looking at GM's sales table and it does look like the Edge is more successful then the Acadia. I thought GM CUV's were suppose to be so superior because of the 3rd row, but it seems they can't match the Edge numbers. Maybe that is because they have more rebadges. Why in the hell is the TrailBlazer up over last year and outsold the Explorer??? Give me a break. The TrailBlazer is going to be cut soon and does not even offer a 3rd row anymore. It has never been changed since 2002. I don't get that at all. Explorer is a WAY better vehicle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackHorse Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 (edited) From CNN money. (God I hate quoting CNN, but hell Fox won't post this stuff) Ford, Chrysler sales plungeImports set to overtake U.S. brands for first time as Ford and Chrysler both post large drops in July sales; Toyota sales also fall. http://money.cnn.com/2007/08/01/news/compa...dex.htm?cnn=yes Maybe people are starting to wake up. PS, the next time one of you clowns around here tells me that mpg and fuel efficiency isn't that big a deal or low on the list of priorities when people shop for a new car I want you to come back here and read the following. Rising gasoline prices have hurt sales of the U.S. brands, which have lost share to Asian rivals such as Toyota and Honda Motor. Edited August 1, 2007 by BlackHorse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wescoent Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 The Corolla's HUGE drop in sales was offset by the Tundra's huge gain. Yaris got ripped, along with ALL their SUV models. So, the only bright spot is the Tundra and Prius. Green what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wescoent Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 Why in the hell is the TrailBlazer up over last year and outsold the Explorer??? Give me a break. The TrailBlazer is going to be cut soon and does not even offer a 3rd row anymore. It has never been changed since 2002. I don't get that at all. Explorer is a WAY better vehicle. I'm rather curious about that myself. The Trailblazer is taking a huge lead over the Explorer for the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Reynolds Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 Just as an FYI Automaker July 2007 June 2007 July 2006 Chrysler Group $4,082 $3,830 $2,623 Ford $2,984 $3,109 $3,888 General Motors $3,130 $2,834 $4,502 Honda $1,146 $1,324 $896 Nissan $2,290 $2,137 $2,618 Toyota $1,492 $1,395 $1,009 Doesn't make up for the loss, but still it is nice to see that Ford is dumping fleet sales and following suit with incentives. It would be nice to see the game go from GM, Ford and Chrysler all the time to Chrysler GM and Nissan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igor Posted August 1, 2007 Author Share Posted August 1, 2007 I'm rather curious about that myself. The Trailblazer is taking a huge lead over the Explorer for the year.fleets - I bet you .. GM is going Taurus on the TB. Igor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igor Posted August 1, 2007 Author Share Posted August 1, 2007 Just as an FYI Automaker July 2007 June 2007 July 2006 Chrysler Group $4,082 $3,830 $2,623 Ford $2,984 $3,109 $3,888 General Motors $3,130 $2,834 $4,502 Honda $1,146 $1,324 $896 Nissan $2,290 $2,137 $2,618 Toyota $1,492 $1,395 $1,009 Doesn't make up for the loss, but still it is nice to see that Ford is dumping fleet sales and following suit with incentives. It would be nice to see the game go from GM, Ford and Chrysler all the time to Chrysler GM and Nissan so arranged highest to lowest: Automaker July 2007 June 2007 July 2006 Chrysler Group $4,082 $3,830 $2,623 General Motors $3,130 $2,834 $4,502 Ford $2,984 $3,109 $3,888 Nissan $2,290 $2,137 $2,618 Toyota $1,492 $1,395 $1,009 Honda $1,146 $1,324 $896 Too bad Europeans are not on this table - apparently they spent as much and more than the Big 3 in the past month. igor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev-Mo Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 Can anyone really explain the lack of Taurus sales? If they are not on the lots, then where exactly is 3 months worth of production? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2005Explorer Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 Maybe it's time again for this... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 Toyota sales dropped in April too. What this means, is Toyota is going to pour on the incentives this month and next, to avoid having consecutive year over year sales drops. They are going to pull ahead their own sales and--essentially--buy share from GM and Ford. The U.S. car market is softening visibly. GM's abandonment of their incentive discipline (assuming that for all their inaccuracy, Edmunds' numbers are at least comparable in their inaccuracy, year over year), coupled with nearly a 50% increase in incentive spending by Toyota...... We are in for a rugged, rugged fall. Again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKII Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 Maybe it's time again for this... Ford Canada has been offering the Family Plan beginning of July, plus delivery allowance discounts which vary with models and trim levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Reynolds Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 Maybe it's time again for this... Or not...... Ford needs to get away from that practice even if it means occupying a spot as the No. 3 Automaker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev-Mo Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 (edited) "The U.S. car market is softening visibly." Yes, almost any car built today should last 200k miles (granted, with some repairs). But repairing a car is far cheaper than buying a new one. I can only use myself as an example; I have a good professional job with a major US Corporation (software). I have a small family, and we have owned our house (mortgage) for 10 years. We have not taken any equity out of our home, and have no credit card debt. I have a '98 Explorer and a '97 F-150. I simply cannot afford $30k+ for a new car. That is the reason sales are down all over. People are realizing that cars are way too expensive, and only those who can truly afford them are buying. Edited August 1, 2007 by Kev-Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 Re: Taurus sales Right now there is -NO- lease deal on the Taurus. You can lease an Edge or an MKZ for less than you can lease the Taurus. Which is odd--also the discounted financing is only available on a 3 year loan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 (edited) D'oh Edited August 1, 2007 by RichardJensen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furious1Auto Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 SALES POSTED: http://media.ford.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=26453 Not a very pretty picture, but GM is predicted to show 30-40% decline, and everyone else is to show decline as well .. we shall see. and my predictions were WAY off .. this month was ridiculously slow .. I just hope this was not Ford specific issue though (like GM's June Sales) ... Quote from Fields: Igor Wow, at least you can see a drastic improvement from the Taurus over the 500, about 1,700 units better. I knew it would perform better! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igor Posted August 1, 2007 Author Share Posted August 1, 2007 "The U.S. car market is softening visibly." Yes, almost any car built today should last 200k miles (granted, with some repairs). But repairing a car is far cheaper than buying a new one. I can only use myself as an example; I have a good professional job with a major US Corporation (software). I have a small family, and we have owned our house (mortgage) for 10 years. We have not taken any equity out of our home, and have no credit card debt. I have a '98 Explorer and a '97 F-150. I simply cannot afford $30k+ for a new car. That is the reason sales are down all over. People are realizing that cars are way too expensive, and only those whe can truly afford them are buying. correct - the US auto market has been riding on a bubble .. under-priced everything and cheap loans made cars accessible, so people bought them even if they did not need to - but they could, so they did.. .not they need to tighten their belts , and all of sudden a 3 - 4 year old Camry or Explorer does not look that bad anymore .. the bubble just burst.. I Would expect that we will see first year of decline of overall sales this year, and the market will shrink by 5-10% before it stabilizes again. Unfortunately, Uthe Big 3 will bear the most of the grunt .. even in the retail market. Igor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2005Explorer Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 Expedition is the success story of the year. Even though fuel prices are higher it continues with double digit increases. Are the people buying these rich enough not to be effected by fuel prices or is it because Ford got this vehicle so right? I'm curious why it is bucking the trend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sranger Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 The number look bad for sure, but I do not think that is as bad a some here seem to think. The general auto industry does seem to be down 5-10% depending on who you ask. Ford is still comparing year over year numbers to a time when Ford was still dumping cars to fleets. Yes, the retail sales are down, but they are inline with the rest of the market... The numbers of the Escape/Mariner are great considering how out of date the drive line is. It does go to show that in reality most people do not care or are unaware about what moves the car down the road... P.S. I never though my post would be more positive that Richards..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igor Posted August 1, 2007 Author Share Posted August 1, 2007 Expedition is the success story of the year. Even though fuel prices are higher it continues with double digit increases. Are the people buying these rich enough not to be effected by fuel prices or is it because Ford got this vehicle so right? I'm curious why it is bucking the trend. I believe it is combination of 1) the customers NEED the towing/space 2) the truck is used as a 2nd/3rd vehicle so mileage is not a concern 3) there are no higher mileage alternatives with the same capability 3) Ford did it right and 4) yeah the family buying this has the money to fund it. (GM full size SUV's are also up or flat . .. so it is not Ford bucking the trend .. the whole SEGMENT is bucking the trend) Igor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grbeck Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 correct - the US auto market has been riding on a bubble .. under-priced everything and cheap loans made cars accessible, so people bought them even if they did not need to - but they could, so they did.. .not they need to tighten their belts , and all of sudden a 3 - 4 year old Camry or Explorer does not look that bad anymore .. the bubble just burst.. I Would expect that we will see first year of decline of overall sales this year, and the market will shrink by 5-10% before it stabilizes again. Unfortunately, Uthe Big 3 will bear the most of the grunt .. even in the retail market. Igor But does everyone need a $30,000 vehicle? Is the Explorer really the basic family vehicle? From what I've seen, small families could easily live with a Fusion (sticker price between $22-24,000, and we all know that no one pays sticker) or the new Taurus (I've seen them for well under $30,000, and that's not for a stripped model). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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