RichardJensen Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 Don't think so. Afterall, that would be something of which a body would be keenly aware, right? Who? You or me? PC, if you had never opened my eyes to the alter egos I have, I could not possibly be having this much fun right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcsario Posted November 14, 2007 Author Share Posted November 14, 2007 As for Honda V Ford, its only a 12 pt spread Well there's "only" a 12 pt difference between Ford and Nissan too, and we know how Richard feels about such a gap on quality. :shades: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 Well there's "only" a 12 pt difference between Ford and Nissan too, and we know how Richard feels about such a gap on quality. :shades: Well, now that would put Nissan about 2x as far back as Ford eh? Context just stinks, doesn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcsario Posted November 14, 2007 Author Share Posted November 14, 2007 it is time for you to face facts I know, who would've thought you would go as far as implying the Kia Spectra and the Focus were both interchangeable as "quality products"? You lost this one right from your first post in this thread, Richard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 Who? You or me? Uhh...me...I think...unless I'm you...uhhh...nevermind...I'm going to bed now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 (edited) I know, who would've thought you would go as far as implying the Kia Spectra and the Focus were both interchangeable as "quality products"? Find a single quote where ****I**** accuse a current Korean product of having poor quality. Rather, the Koreans serve as instructive examples of how attention to the -processes- of quality can produce rapid results. If this were 1996, there would be a definite insult in comparing an Escort (yes even an Escort) with a Hyundai whatzit. It's not 1996, though. It's 2007. At least for another 6 weeks or so. And the Koreans are making some very high quality (if somewhat blandly styled) vehicles. YOU, OTOH, are the one who continually dredges up the Korean brands as cautionary examples. Perhaps, if you accuse us of ..... Ah, the heck with it... Zeee PC, heee does not like being owned. But what can one do? Hee eees owned, and owned hee weel always be. Perhaps not always by you Reesharr', but hee eees owned. Edited November 14, 2007 by RichardJensen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcsario Posted November 14, 2007 Author Share Posted November 14, 2007 (edited) Richard just give up already. Giving me some desperate lecture on context ONCE AGAIN will only backfire on you. All this started because you missed ON PURPOSE the context of P71's post. He wasn't talking about build quality, but overall quality, as in design, craftmanship, refinement, effort, etc. As in something like this: <P71> "The Bravia and Aquos are quality HDTV sets, they're remarkable and I wish others were as good" <RichardJensen> "NO YOU IDIOT THOSE NO NAME TV'S AT WALMART ARE BETTER CUZ JDP IQS SAID THEY WERE ASSEMBLED WELL, FUCK CONTEXT I PWNED YUUU LOLOLOL!!1111!!1!!" Edited November 14, 2007 by pcsario Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 So you're admitting that you are biased against Koreans? Well, I don't know if I want someone like that working for me. So you'd better have that litter box empty and the dishes done by the time I get home for lunch tomorrow, or I'm going to have your opinions on Koreans tattooed to you in Korean, and then I'm going to mail you there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcsario Posted November 14, 2007 Author Share Posted November 14, 2007 No I'm not biased against Koreans, just find the double standards here hilarious. Just ask Ovaltine about that when the thread is NOT about a JDP survey where Ford did "great". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 (edited) No I'm not biased against Koreans Uh huh. What's this, then? Nah, it's a wiser strategy to become Kia's main competitor. Who would've thought Kia and Hyundai were "the cream of the crop" No. You're not biased against the Koreans. Just all the products they build. Edited November 14, 2007 by RichardJensen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 overall quality, as in design, craftmanship, refinement, effort, etc. You mean like this? The Initial Quality Study, which serves as the industry benchmark for new-vehicle quality measured at 90 days of ownership, has been completely redesigned for 2006 to capture problems experienced by owners in two distinct categories—quality of design and quality of production (defects and malfunctions). BTW, how you can draw a distinction between 'craftsmanship' and 'build quality' escapes me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 http://www.jdpower.com/corporate/news/rele...aspx?ID=2006082 Soooooooooooooooooo ownnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcsario Posted November 14, 2007 Author Share Posted November 14, 2007 (edited) You mean like this? “In the eyes of consumers, design flaws can have as much of an impact on their perceptions of quality as can a defect. Yet, many manufacturers have tended to address quality solely on the plant floor without considering design factors.” That sounds like ergonomics to me. Remember, the first Mini did poorly because it didn't have a billion cup holders in it. Edited November 14, 2007 by pcsario Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 Remember, the first Mini did poorly because it didn't have a billion cup holders in it. First Mini came out BEFORE JD Power revamped their IQS. Oh, and if you want to talk about assorted intangibles, there's a raft of APEAL awards for such Ford products as ..... Wait for it ...... It's totally worth it The Fusion. Cool. huh? http://www.pr9.net/business/trade/4347august.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 JD Power: Customers say Ford Fusion rulez at Automotive Performance, Execution and Layout ---- JD Power also says: PCsario is still a totally owned tool. Who has a lot of domestic chores to attend to (not that I'm that big of a pig, mind you....) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcsario Posted November 14, 2007 Author Share Posted November 14, 2007 Ergonomics once again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 Ergonomics once again. Yeah. JD Power has TWO studies to measure the SAME thing. APEAL is designed to complement the J.D. Power and Associates Initial Quality StudySM (IQS), which focuses on problems experienced by owners during the first 90 days of ownership. APEAL measures how gratifying a new vehicle is to own and drive. While the redesigned Initial Quality Study included a new measurement for design quality, the APEAL Study finds almost no relationship between a model’s overall APEAL score and its IQS design score. “There are basically two schools of thought among consumers in determining which new-vehicle model to buy,” said Parker. “Many consumers are looking for a painless, trouble-free ownership experience, which, as we find in IQS, is certainly important. However, there is a large group of buyers who are most interested in things like comfort, style and performance. This group is often willing to put up with a few quality snags to get a vehicle they truly feel passionate about. For this group of consumers, there is more to an appealing vehicle than a lack of problems—even a lack of design problems.” http://www.jdpower.com/corporate/news/rele...aspx?ID=2006100 How now, my indentured servant? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcsario Posted November 14, 2007 Author Share Posted November 14, 2007 Yeah. JD Power has TWO studies to measure the SAME thing. Wow, they do? Who would've thought? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 C'mon, say, "it's ergonomics", that's your new line. That and "Mercury is not Ford" Or how about this: If the Fusion wins, the study is flawed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcsario Posted November 14, 2007 Author Share Posted November 14, 2007 (edited) "there is a large group of buyers who are most interested in things like comfort, style and performance." "Ford fusion handles well, looks purposeful and delivers good value for the money." Sorry Richard, it won because of its ergonomics and its cheap price, not because of some obsession with design and execution. Edited November 14, 2007 by pcsario Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 (edited) "there is a large group of buyers who are most interested in things like comfort, style and performance." "Ford fusion handles well, looks purposeful and delivers good value for the money." Sorry Richard, it won because of its ergonomics and its cheap price, not because of some obsession with design and execution. Yes, the exterior has absolutely no design style. Quit trying to prove things with that stupid picture. Edited November 14, 2007 by suv_guy_19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 That's a good boy. You said "It's ergonomics". Now I'm going to train you to hold a milk-bone on your nose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 That's a good boy. You said "It's ergonomics". Now I'm going to train you to hold a milk-bone on your nose. your having fun aren't you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcsario Posted November 14, 2007 Author Share Posted November 14, 2007 Always in denial or deluding yourself, that's mah bitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 Always in denial or deluding yourself, that's mah bitch. Your just not funny because I know you aren't laughing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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