P71_CrownVic Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 We got our first look at the Ford Kuga in concept form at September's Frankfurt Motor Show and it looks like the production model won't be straying very far, stylewise. The Kuga should land in European Ford dealerships in spring 2008 powered by a variety of engines, including Ford's latest 2.0L turbodiesel. With the Escape bearing much more of a resemblance to Ford's truck lineup, if the team in Dearborn really wants the Mercury Mariner to be more upscale they would bring this design over as its replacement. Hell, just make this the new Escape and forget about Mercury. The Kuga will probably debut at the Geneva Motor Show in March alongside the Fiesta/Verve. AB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danup Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 (edited) I understand the love for the Mondeo, and especially the Verve, but this is one ugly car. Very bug-like. Edited November 23, 2007 by danup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 No, Danup, see that's where you're wrong. The Kuga should be manufactured in Europe, and Ford should import 12k of them a month and sell them at losses all over the U.S. while they mothball the line at KC. That's what a smart person would do, at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 What that jackass who wrote that article doesn't realize is that Ford wanted to bring it over as Lincoln, but it never happened due to currency issues. Seems like there is more and more group think going on in the automotive press that everything FOE does is automatically better then FNA can do. I'd like to see FOE redesign the F-series, and see how bad they fuck it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 I'd like to see FOE redesign the F-series, and see how bad they fuck it up. Or the Mustang. Heck, I wouldn't want to drive a FoE midsize or compact either. I had a Contour SE, and while it was fun to drive, I recall riding over a particularly rough patch of interstate in a friend's car and being surprised both at how quiet and how smoothly it covered those bumps. That vehicle . .. ... Wait for it...... A Mitsubishi Montero. That's right, my Contour, which was an absolute blast to drive through twisty stuff rode worse than this thing: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcsario Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 (edited) Or the Mustang. Yeah I know... Don't let any yuropean near FNA, they just "don't get it", FNA is all about mediocrity. While you're at it, remove Horbory from NA design too. Ford NA was much better when it wasn't influenced by yuropean design standards Edited November 23, 2007 by pcsario Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 While you're at it, remove Horbory from NA design too. 1) It's Horbury. 2) Horbury didn't design the 427, some other Brit did. 3) From the U.S. declaration of independence: For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent: Imposing vehicles on the NA market without it's 'consent' is foolish. Vehicles designed and built in Europe with no input from U.S. consumers and U.S. engineers should not be, must not be sold here. It is the equivalent of 'taxation without representation.' It makes no sense whatsoever, and only someone blinded to the differences between these two vehicle markets could possibly believe otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 Also the ItalDesign Mustang is ....... from ItalDesign. Not FoE. Unless you propose to hand FoE credit for everything from Schrödinger's equations to Ingmar Bergman's films, it is idiotic to use the work of ItalDesign as justification for a belief in the superiority of all things FoE over all things FNA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcsario Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 (edited) 1) It's Horbury. Horbury and the 427 dude were both trained in the yurocrappy, non-american design school. That Mustang wasn't done in NA either. "Bububu Yuropeans can't design Mustangs bububu ItalDesign is not European like that Ford division bububu" I guess the Verve, Mondeo, etc. are also lookers in & out "only because of luck" :rolleyes: Edited November 23, 2007 by pcsario Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKII Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 Imposing vehicles on the NA market without it's 'consent' is foolish. Vehicles designed and built in Europe with no input from U.S. consumers and U.S. engineers should not be, must not be sold here. It is the equivalent of 'taxation without representation.' It makes no sense whatsoever, and only someone blinded to the differences between these two vehicle markets could possibly believe otherwise. Absolutely its working pretty good for Ford N.A. as it stands, and the future is looking real rosie as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted November 23, 2007 Author Share Posted November 23, 2007 "Bububu Yuropeans can't design Mustangs bububu ItalDesign is not European like that Ford division bububu" I guess the Verve is also a looker "because of luck and because FNA is involved with its development" :rolleyes: I don't you can use the term "Designed" when referring to the new Mustang. all they did was take a 30-35 year old Mustang, round the corners a bit and call it "retro". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCK Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 No, Danup, see that's where you're wrong. The Kuga should be manufactured in Europe, and Ford should import 12k of them a month and sell them at losses all over the U.S. while they mothball the line at KC. That's what a smart person would do, at least. No, Ford NA should of gotten on track with the project from the beginning, Set up assembly domestically or Mexico. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 (edited) "Bububu Yuropeans can't design Mustangs bububu ItalDesign is not European like that Ford division bububu" Yeah. That's what I meant. Edited November 24, 2007 by RichardJensen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKII Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 What that jackass who wrote that article doesn't realize is that Ford wanted to bring it over as Lincoln, but it never happened due to currency issues. Seems like there is more and more group think going on in the automotive press that everything FOE does is automatically better then FNA can do. I'd like to see FOE redesign the F-series, and see how bad they fuck it up. yes its like a facking virus running thru the automotive press. Ford N.A. is by far the best truck company , no doubt about it. And very good with designing raw road eating cars such as the Mustang. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted November 24, 2007 Author Share Posted November 24, 2007 yes its like a facking virus running thru the automotive press. Ford N.A. is by far the best truck company , no doubt about it. And very good with designing raw road eating cars such as the Mustang. "Raw, road eating cars"...with an ancient SRA. :hytserical: That shows how backwards Ford NA really is. Their lumbering SUVs get IRS while their ONLY car that is even close to a drivers car, gets a SRA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcsario Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 "Raw, road eating cars"...with an ancient SRA. :hytserical: That shows how backwards Ford NA really is. Their lumbering SUVs get IRS while their ONLY car that is even close to a drivers car, gets a SRA. Don't you know? It wasn't a cost-cutting move... it's because the fans DEMANDED IT! They demanded IRS not be even optional! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 Don't you know? It wasn't a cost-cutting move... it's because the fans DEMANDED IT! They demanded IRS not be even optional! Oh and look at how sales suffered because of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcsario Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 (edited) Yeah. That's what I meant. :cheerleader: Fixed. Dr. House would never even hint at something that... questionable. :shades: "YOU GOT THAT RIGHT" Edited November 24, 2007 by pcsario Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted November 24, 2007 Author Share Posted November 24, 2007 Oh and look at how sales suffered because of it. How do you know they didn't? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 How do you know they didn't? Oh I don't know....the numbers maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted November 24, 2007 Author Share Posted November 24, 2007 Oh I don't know....the numbers maybe. They could have been higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 They could have been higher. Oh yes all knowing one, they probably could have been.....but would it have been enough to be worth the investment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted November 24, 2007 Author Share Posted November 24, 2007 Oh yes all knowing one, they probably could have been.....but would it have been enough to be worth the investment? Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 Yes. Proof, please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted November 24, 2007 Author Share Posted November 24, 2007 (edited) Proof, please? Did it hurt the Expedition? Seems to me they were advertising (back when Ford knew what that was) IRS pretty heavily and touting all of its advantages over a SRA. Edited November 24, 2007 by P71_CrownVic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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