papilgee4evaeva Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 which was a good way to alienate the few male customers that vehicle had ... but also has the effect of boosting GTI sales. Just so guys won't have to say "yeah, I drive a Rabbit." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SVT_MAN Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 Did anybody else notice that Ford's own media team messed this up: Boston-based Roush Fenway Racing reveals the new Con-Way Racing F-150 to be piloted by 18-year-old phenom Colin Braun in the 2008 NASCAR truck series John Henry might own a large portion of Roush Racing now, but the company is based in Livonia, Michigan - its only tie to Boston is that fat check that John Henry writes every month to support Roush. Typical Ford media blunder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papilgee4evaeva Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 Oh yeah, congrats to Ford. Even if it is a New England-area award, hey, it's still an award. I still hope to push one, but by the time I can get a new car, it will be time for the next-gen Taurus, I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 20 Million folk liked the name Nick The all-new Ford Nick! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johns Goat Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 When I hear the name Escort, I think of a nice little small car that gets great gas mileage and lasts forever. Ford wouldn't want to capitalize on that though... x2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sranger Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 Most people think Family Car = Boring.... Probably the worst award to win.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 Most people think Family Car = Boring.... Probably the worst award to win.... What do people expect it to win? Sports car of the year? This is the best award it could get because its a family car. Many people go to family car to look for their car buying info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 Of course you would, its old and outdated. I guess that is a theme with you though. How is it old and outdated? They don't even make it anymore. I guess, by your diluted "Ford fan boy" logic, The Suburban" is "outdated because it has been around since 1935. You go ahead and bash the Escort. It was a best seller for many, many years, got great mileage, was easy to fix, was very reliable, and was not expensive. Again, why would Ford want to capitalize on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenCaylor Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 You go ahead and bash the Escort. It was a best seller for many, many years, got great mileage, was easy to fix, was very reliable, and was not expensive. Again, why would Ford want to capitalize on that. I had an 83 Escort GT and loved the car. Along with the 2.3 Turbo, it's 1.6 I4 were Ford's first engines with multiport fuel injected. I was able to get 39 MPG with that car on the highway. For nearly a decade, the Escort was the best selling car in the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 I had an 83 Escort GT and loved the car. Along with the 2.3 Turbo, it's 1.6 I4 were Ford's first engines with multiport fuel injected. I was able to get 39 MPG with that car on the highway. For nearly a decade, the Escort was the best selling car in the world. That's all true, but I don't think it is a name with any excitement that would do anything to day. The very definition of Verve on the other hand is: vigor and spirit or enthusiasm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 You go ahead and bash the Escort. It was a best seller for many, many years, got great mileage, was easy to fix, was very reliable, and was not expensive. Again, why would Ford want to capitalize on that. I never thought I'd say this....but.....I agree with you. I know plenty of former Escort owners that loved them. The '91 Escort GT was a hoot to drive. Just like I believe bringing back the Taurus name was a good idea, so is bringing back the Escort name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 That's all true, but I don't think it is a name with any excitement that would do anything to day. The very definition of Verve on the other hand is: vigor and spirit or enthusiasm. Then there are those who'll be typing Vurv . . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 I never thought I'd say this....but.....I agree with you. I know plenty of former Escort owners that loved them. The '91 Escort GT was a hoot to drive. Just like I believe bringing back the Taurus name was a good idea, so is bringing back the Escort name. The Taurus name is good, but not affixed to a large car. If Ford was bent on keeping the Taurus name, then there should be no Fusion...but they wern't bent on keeping the name and instead used it as a (failed) last ditch effort to raise sales. To me, the Escort represents everything that was "good" with Ford. Great car, full model line (sedan, hatch, wagon, sport), great styling, constant updates (interesting that the 1997 refresh of the Escort was a stop-gap car until the '00 Focus arrived...sounds familiar), and a great reliability record. Not to mention that Escort sounds WAY better than Verve. Verve is a horrible name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 (edited) The Taurus name is good, but not affixed to a large car. If Ford was bent on keeping the Taurus name, then there should be no Fusion...but they wern't bent on keeping the name and instead used it as a (failed) last ditch effort to raise sales. Actually, the new Taurus is closer in size to the old Taurus than the Fusion is. Edited November 28, 2007 by suv_guy_19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 The Taurus name is good, but not affixed to a large car. If Ford was bent on keeping the Taurus name, then there should be no Fusion...but they wern't bent on keeping the name and instead used it as a (failed) last ditch effort to raise sales. Meh...They could have used the name on either car IMO. The important thing was to bring it back. I think the low sales are the result of not advertising the damn car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 Actually, the new Taurus is closer in size to the old Taurus than the Fusion is. Hardly. Width, wheelbase, and height are all withing 1" between the old Taurus and Fusion. The only one that favors your argument is length. The Fusion is ~7" shorter than the old Taurus while there is only a ~4" difference between the Old Taurus and New Taurus. Thats real smart. Lets replace one car with two. I think all automakers that are hemmoraging TONS of cash should do that. Must be the "way forward". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syrtran Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 Did anybody else notice that Ford's own media team messed this up:John Henry might own a large portion of Roush Racing now, but the company is based in Livonia, Michigan - its only tie to Boston is that fat check that John Henry writes every month to support Roush. Typical Ford media blunder. Um, Roush Fenway Racing, not Roush Industries. One is half owner of the other, but they're not the same. But it gets worse. According to Roush Fenway Racing, themselves, their headquarters (and main shop) is in Concord North Carolina. Some hack at Ford PR heard "Concord" and thought "Massachusetts". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 Hardly. Width, wheelbase, and height are all withing 1" between the old Taurus and Fusion. The only one that favors your argument is length. The Fusion is ~7" shorter than the old Taurus while there is only a ~4" difference between the Old Taurus and New Taurus. Thats real smart. Lets replace one car with two. I think all automakers that are hemmoraging TONS of cash should do that. Must be the "way forward". Extra width is a good thing. People will see it as a plus over the old. I don't think that they would want their car to get smaller. GM has two cars just like this except one is far inferior. What's your point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 Extra width is a good thing. People will see it as a plus over the old. I don't think that they would want their car to get smaller. GM has two cars just like this except one is far inferior. What's your point? My point is that you are wrong...again. The Fusion is actually closer in size to the old Taurus than the new Taurus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syrtran Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 Hardly. Width, wheelbase, and height are all withing 1" between the old Taurus and Fusion. The only one that favors your argument is length. The Fusion is ~7" shorter than the old Taurus while there is only a ~4" difference between the Old Taurus and New Taurus. Thats real smart. Lets replace one car with two. I think all automakers that are hemmoraging TONS of cash should do that. Must be the "way forward". If you think of the Fusion as a long-overdue replacement for the Contour, it sort of works out. Yeah, I know the Focus is closer in size to the Contour, but Hey! Cars (unfortunately) get bigger. The Corolla even used to be the size of a Yaris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 (edited) My point is that you are wrong...again. The Fusion is actually closer in size to the old Taurus than the new Taurus. Well, I was thinking length and I should have said so. But unlike you, I can admit I was wrong. You haven't proven me wrong very many times. Edited November 28, 2007 by suv_guy_19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 Well, I was thinking length and I should have said so. But unlike you, I can admit I was wrong. You haven't proven me wrong very many tomes. I am the first one to admit if I am wrong. And I can spell too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 If you think of the Fusion as a long-overdue replacement for the Contour, it sort of works out. Yeah, I know the Focus is closer in size to the Contour, but Hey! Cars (unfortunately) get bigger. The Corolla even used to be the size of a Yaris. The Fusion is smaller than the old Taurus in every way except height. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2005Explorer Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 Thats real smart. Lets replace one car with two. I think all automakers that are hemmoraging TONS of cash should do that. Must be the "way forward". Well for many years Ford did offer two FWD family cars. There was a Tempo and a Taurus. Later there was a Contour and a Taurus. The Contour was larger then the Tempo was and the Fusion is larger then the Contour was. The Taurus grew when it was redesigned in 1996 and has grown some more in 2008. Cars have grown over the years since the massive downsizing of the early 1980's. At one time the Accord and Camry were in the compact class. They grew into midsize cars and today the Accord is actually considered a large car in certain trim levels. The Camry is getting close to becoming a large car if it grows anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 You haven't proven me wrong very many tomes. I just proved you spelled "times" wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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