Edstock Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 Where and when did Hilary say that? PRECISELY, where and when? Maybe she did, maybe she didn't, but that banner doesn't prove anything. So, what we have here is innuendo, and that's churlish and moronic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bored of Pisteon Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 Where and when did Hilary say that? PRECISELY, where and when? Maybe she did, maybe she didn't, but that banner doesn't prove anything. So, what we have here is innuendo, and that's churlish and moronic. That line was used in a speech she made in the Senate around that time. Do your research and look it up for yourself! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 That line was used in a speech she made in the Senate around that time. Do your research and look it up for yourself! I would imagine that some context would be useful.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 I would imagine that some context would be useful.... And here it is. http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/marxist.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarShark Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 And here it is. http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/marxist.asp Jeez. I hate politics. Anything and everything you ever say in your lifetime can be used against you by people who want nothing more than to see you suffer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackHorse Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 The general public is not the only people the Hildabeast has promised to take things from. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0So48eKMu10 Why anyone would vote for a woman who openly declares she's going to take more and more from you, as if we aren't giving too much already, is beyond me? You have to be pretty stupid to willingly vote for that tyrant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 (edited) Jeez. I hate politics. Anything and everything you ever say in your lifetime can be used against you by people who want nothing more than to see you suffer. Thats why there's people like me, who don't hate politicians and actually believe in them and what they do....most of the time. Edited February 6, 2008 by suv_guy_19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackHorse Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 Thats why there's people like me, who don't hate politicians and actually believe in them or what they do. LMAO, Oh my gosh you're a funny guy SUV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 LMAO, Oh my gosh you're a funny guy SUV. Hating government is not a requirement. Americans are also more hateful in general than Canadians and Europeans when it comes to government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackHorse Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 Hating government is not a requirement. Americans are also more hateful in general than Canadians and Europeans when it comes to government. Because most Americans know that government left unchecked is tyranny. That it can not and should not be trusted, ever. If left to it's own means, government will always seek to control, to oppress. Such is the nature of governments. Those that place their trust and trust in them, do so at their own peril. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 Because most Americans know that government left unchecked is tyranny. That it can not and should not be trusted, ever. If left to it's own means, government will always seek to control, to oppress. Such is the nature of governments. Those that place their trust and trust in them, do so at their own peril. To me the government is just people. These people were put there by us to make the decisions that we can't and won't. We don't always agree with what they do, but there is almost always a reason. This reason is not normally sinister of devious. I have come to respect and understand politicians. I have worked along side Ministers of the Crown and know what rests on their shoulders and the difficult job that they have. As people, they will at times make mistakes and yes, some of them are dishonest. For the most part, I trust both my provincial and federal governments. They do not always do things that I agree with, but I know where they are coming from and usually understand the decision. From what I see, many of the politicians (here at least) have the interests of the country at heart. They come at it from different ideologies, sometimes that is good, sometimes bad. If I don't like them, I'll vote against them in the next election. Simple as that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackHorse Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 SUV on this, you and I do not and will never see eye to eye my friend. For instance. "All guns are capable of being used in crime. All guns pose a threat to public safety." Is this statement from some radical anti-gun group? Is it the rhetoric of some tyrant in a dictatorial regime? No, this is from your own Canadian embassy website my friend. http://www.canadianembassy.org/government/guncontrol-en.asp Following this logic, anyone behind the wheel of car that sets out to plow into a crowd of innocent people poses a threat to public safety right? Wrong, clearly the car poses a threat to public safety since all cars can be used in a crime. You have to understand how governments work SUV. They can't control you directly, but they can control your environment and through that they control you indirectly. They will usually not be overtly oppressive but instead their best intentions are over time preverted into tyranny under the guise of "helping you." Government is power, and power attracts a certain type of person, and those people almost never have your best interest at heart. Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny. - Thomas Jefferson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 (edited) SUV on this, you and I do not and will never see eye to eye my friend. For instance.Is this statement from some radical anti-gun group? Is it the rhetoric of some tyrant in a dictatorial regime? No, this is from your own Canadian embassy website my friend. http://www.canadianembassy.org/government/guncontrol-en.asp Following this logic, anyone behind the wheel of car that sets out to plow into a crowd of innocent people poses a threat to public safety right? Wrong, clearly the car poses a threat to public safety since all cars can be used in a crime. You have to understand how governments work SUV. They can't control you directly, but they can control your environment and through that they control you indirectly. They will usually not be overtly oppressive but instead their best intentions are over time preverted into tyranny under the guise of "helping you." Government is power, and power attracts a certain type of person, and those people almost never have your best interest at heart. Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny. - Thomas Jefferson Your right, we won't see eye to eye. In my view, the government does thing in response to the people. For the most part, the people get what they want, unless they are wrong. Sometimes people are wrong. Most people here don't like guns. Because of that there are very strict licensing procedures for long guns and there is a virtual ban on handguns. Guns do pose a threat to public safety. I know that guns don't kill people, people kill people. The thing is, guns make it a great deal easier to kill people. I hope to be in government some day. The best interest of the public are quite often what they have in mind. We do not always agree with what is in our best interests, that doesn't make it wrong. Edited February 6, 2008 by suv_guy_19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackHorse Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 Your right, we won't see eye to eye. In my view, the government does thing in response to the people. For the most part, the people get what they want, unless they are wrong. Sometimes people are wrong. Most people here don't like guns. Because of that there are very strict licensing procedures for long guns and there is a virtual ban on handguns. Guns do pose a threat to public safety. I know that guns don't kill people, people kill people. The thing is, guns make it a great deal easier to kill people. I hope to be in government some day. The best interest of the public are quite often what they have in mind. We do not always agree with what is in our best interests, that doesn't make it wrong. LOL, Ah youthful optomism. You have a great deal to learn about both government and people my good friend. Guns do pose a threat to public safety. There is nothing I can do with that sort of short sighted mentality. You simply have to learn the hard way I'm afraid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 There is nothing I can do with that sort of short sighted mentality. You simply have to learn the hard way I'm afraid. We don't have a right to bare arms and I'm not planning a revolution. My father does have some very nice guns, but they are locked up, registered, and only used for hunting. I really don't see a purpose for the things (aside from the police, the army, and certain other people) and most Canadians feel that way. People wanted gun laws so they got them. It wasn't government oppression. There is a great difference between Canada and the southern US. Opinions vary considerably. As you said, we will not see eye to eye on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 LOL, Ah youthful optomism. You have a great deal to learn about both government and people my good friend. I'm optimistic about many things. Its funny, I grow up in a mostly conservative family and I am somewhat conservative myself, but I still believe in the system and the institution and I still believe in the people. As a civilization, the west has accomplished so much. Though we are in a small slump right now, I see so many good things ahead. I would rather look on the bright side, and as things stand, I see no reason not to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macattak1 Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 "All guns are capable of being used in crime. All guns are capable of killing and maiming. It follows that all guns pose a threat to public safety. As such, their control falls within the criminal law power." That kills me. And when people just by default trust their government this is how thier govt. decides things. Unrelated Cause & Affect. Thus, the govt needs to control... Its pretty sad. Canada has virtually no restrictions on Abortion. But hand guns are dangerous?... Again. 30 million people verses 300 million people. There are more illegal aliens in the USA than their are citizens in Canada. Its no wonder things are so much different. Peace and Blessings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 (edited) Its starting to look like this horrible lady is going to win tonight....and yes, I am being sarcastic in regards to horrible. Edited February 6, 2008 by suv_guy_19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray101988 Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 Its starting to look like this horrible lady is going to win tonight....and yes, I am being sarcastic in regards to horrible. When thinking about differences between Americans and Canadians in terms of view on gov't and weapons you need to look at our different histories. We have a history of being screwed by Gov't and of using guns... It all stems from the way we got our independence and the other major events that have happened since. That's why we as people from different nations with different histories have different standards when concerning points of view on different issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furious1Auto Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 What about college students? Oh I know they can just die... (I'm exagerating of course :P) No one would ever be refused care based on the hypocratic oath, we are talking about monetary liability. Those who don't qualify for free care would be billed and face collections, garnishment, leans and any other current penalties we have in place for civil judgement! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retro-man Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 We don't have a right to bare arms...... Oh yeah? Well then, explain this: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackHorse Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 We don't have a right to bare arms and I'm not planning a revolution. My father does have some very nice guns, but they are locked up, registered, and only used for hunting. I really don't see a purpose for the things (aside from the police, the army, and certain other people) and most Canadians feel that way. People wanted gun laws so they got them. It wasn't government oppression. There is a great difference between Canada and the southern US. Opinions vary considerably. As you said, we will not see eye to eye on this. Of course you're not planning a revolution, you have nothing with which to carry it out. lol You've already surrendered. There may be a great difference between Canada and the Southern United States but my friend that has nothing to do with this debate I'm afraid. We are not all driving around in pickup trucks with shotguns mounted in the back window here. In fact if ever you see that around here it is very, very much the exception and not the rule. Americans arm themselves because they understand some basic fundamentals and truths about life that you seem to have forgotten. 1. The police will almost surely never be around when some criminal sets his mind to inflicting injury upon you, your family or some other innocent person. This again is simply blind faith in a government that promises to protect you but really can't. The only person that can really protect you and yours is you SUV. 2. A man with a baseball bat or a pocket knife can kill you just as dead as a man with a gun. I'd rather have a fighting chance. He comes after me with a bat, he gets the gun. Don't fool yourself into thinking that just because you live in the great white north that you have invented utopia and nothing bad can ever happen to you. 3. Americans believe in guns for the same reason that we don't trust our government and when you figure that out you'll really understand the true purpose behind the 2nd Amendment that was put there by some very smart men a long time ago. But alas, let us not turn this into a gun control debate. Lord knows we've seen enough of those around here. In point of fact this thread really has hung on too long. Suffice it to say that Hillary is a modern day Nazi, I have zero respect for the woman or her socialist party because they will seek to oppress me and I detest them for it. But the real downer is that while the Democrats are running towards socialism, the republicans are walking towards it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAC_Sparky Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 Its pretty sad. Canada has virtually no restrictions on Abortion. But hand guns are dangerous?... Don't bring THAT into it. You're using a bad example. The most recent reliable abortion numbers from both countries is 2003. United States (2003) Population: 290,342,554 Abortions: 1,287,000 Rate: 4.4 per 1000 ( http://www.guttmacher.org/ http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/2006/08/03/ab_incidence.pdf) Canada (2003) Population: 32,207,113 Abortions: 103,768 Rate: 3.2 per 1000 (http://www.statcan.ca/Daily/English/060315/d060315c.htm) So for a country that has "virtually no restrictions on abortion", why then does the US have a higher abortion rate? A difference in education? I was born in the US so I am a US citizen. I also am a Canadian citizen. I don't have a problem with guns. I have handled guns much of my life, including 3 years of military service. But to be honest I generally feel safer in Canada than I do in the US. I don't know whether it's because of the lack of guns here or just the public mindset regarding firearms. Feel safer? 2 Bonus marks for identifying this movie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Jellymoulds Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 Is Ford ready for her agenda? An increase in fuel efficiency standards to 55 miles per gallon. Aggressive action 60 billion gallons of home-grown biofuels available for cars and trucks 10 "Smart Grid City" partnerships to prove the advanced capabilities of smart grid and other advanced demand-reduction technologies, as well as new investment in plug-in hybrid vehicle technologies phasing out incandescent light bulbs http://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/energy/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mlhm5 Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 What about people in unions that already have good health insurance that covers most things? Would they be expected to give their insurance up or pay for insurance they don't use? What is happening right now is that employer-based health insurance system is failing and many employers are dropping or curtailing coverage rather than expanding coverage. Also there is no competition between private insurance providers which means no one currently has an incentive to seek, or provide, quality, cost-efficient health care, or control costs. Like I said Medicare Part A, B and D plus a Medigap insurance policy costs around $180 a month. That policy is better than most every policy issued by any Fortune 500 company. Currently private health care insurers take $0.30 out of every dollar paid out vs. $0.06 for Medicare. Methinks 27% of all the dollars spent in private health care will go a long way before any tax dollars are needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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