NickF1011 Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 Yeah, no shit. Explain to me why you think a fleet vehicle should have a nice interior while a retail vehicle should not? Again, you seem to gripe about the S197's Mustang's interior a LOT more than the hundreds of thousands of owners do. Most of them seem perfectly content with it. Why use the 's fleet status as an excuse for its suckitude? It's a fleet-only car BECAUSE of its suckitude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 Diesel maintenance on a Sedan is hardly much more than a gasser. No more $300 to $500 tune ups. Trucks? Sure. But not small car diesels. Peace and Blessings oil changes...usually 1 1/2 times the amount, moisture traps, injector flushes more frequent, particulative filters...not to mention the necessity of urea now no? They will be in my estimate at LEAST1 1/2 times the maintenence costs of a gasser....it may be a little at at a time but over the life adds up pretty good....plus look at tthe space the 6.4 takes up compared with the V10....working space with all the necessary diesel ancilliaries would seem to point to repairs taking longer and at $90 per hour.....I'm just not sold on the diesel sedan subject....A) for the initial cost, B) ongoing maintenence costs C) having to search sometimes for diesel D) maybe 3-5 MPGs better than an efficient gas engine of the same dis-placement...which is 48-80 per 16 gallon tank but then diesel is more $ at the pump to begin with ( most of the time anyways )....and i'm not sure the public is ready to embrace either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 Again, you seem to gripe about the S197's Mustang's interior a LOT more than the hundreds of thousands of owners do. Most of them seem perfectly content with it. They just settled. Why use the 's fleet status as an excuse for its suckitude? It's a fleet-only car BECAUSE of its suckitude. I think Ford should be more concerned at the "suckitude" of the Sable/Taurus sales than the interior of the Panthers. The Panther is a workhorse (and does a job that NO OTHER VEHICLE IN FORDS LINEUP could do)...and I don't hear any Panther owners complaining about the interior... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 oil changes...usually 1 1/2 times the amount, moisture traps, injector flushes more frequent, particulative filters...not to mention the necessity of urea now no? They will be in my estimate at LEAST1 1/2 times the maintenence costs of a gasser....it may be a little at at a time but over the life adds up pretty good....plus look at tthe space the 6.4 takes up compared with the V10....working space with all the necessary diesel ancilliaries would seem to point to repairs taking longer and at $90 per hour.....I'm just not sold on the diesel sedan subject....A) for the initial cost, B) ongoing maintenence costs C) having to search sometimes for diesel D) maybe 3-5 MPGs better than an efficient gas engine of the same dis-placement...which is 48-80 per 16 gallon tank but then diesel is more $ at the pump to begin with ( most of the time anyways )....and i'm not sure the public is ready to embrace either You don't have to put the urea in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Jellymoulds Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 Hahah! That's hilarious! An American company with maybe one Hispanic employee outside Hermosillo sells a car designed in Europe and given Spanish name, and you somehow equate it with illegal immigration from Latin America in the US? Well, racists and bigots aren't known for their feats of logic.... Why don't Ford play it dead safe and name all their cars after North American Indians so they don't offend any new arrivals from anywhere? Ford Wigwam, Ford Kato, Ford Maidu, Miwok, Ford Kuki and Mini Haha, or go name it after a dinosuar you could the new Crown Vic the Ford Tyranosuarus Rex that would not offend any new immigrants coming into the US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snooter Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 Again, you seem to gripe about the S197's Mustang's interior a LOT more than the hundreds of thousands of owners do. Most of them seem perfectly content with it. Why use the 's fleet status as an excuse for its suckitude? It's a fleet-only car BECAUSE of its suckitude. he should..its a work of shit...it is bad...stang owners are so darn arrogant and have the attitude of the south end of the preverbial north bound donkey they overllok shoddy products in the stang....it needs to be better in 2010...it has to be better....as it stands now it reminds me of an interior in my neigbors 1980 fairmont..its that shitty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 They just settled. That's a lot of people "settling". I think Ford should be more concerned at the "suckitude" of the Sable/Taurus sales than the interior of the Panthers. The Panther is a workhorse (and does a job that NO OTHER VEHICLE IN FORDS LINEUP could do)...and I don't hear any Panther owners complaining about the interior... Again, the has been relegated to being a "workhorse" because no retail buyer in their right mind would look at them twice. Seems the Escape taxi cabs are holding up just as well as their brethren in fleets so far. "owners" don't complain about the interiors because 99.9% of the people who drive them don't actually OWN them. When your only defense of the is to badmouth the D3's, you know your argument must be pretty weak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 Yea, but there is also: Movie Stars, Drugs, Movie Stars, Gangs, Movie Stars, HollyWood, Movie Stars, San Jose, Movie Stars, Oakland, Movie Stars, the worst schools in the nation, etc. Then there is also this growing sentiment bordering on racism. Peace and Blessings Mac...true...but don't generalize...isolated areas DO suck...just like ANY state.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 he should..its a work of shit...it is bad...stang owners are so darn arrogant and have the attitude of the south end of the preverbial north bound donkey they overllok shoddy products in the stang....it needs to be better in 2010...it has to be better....as it stands now it reminds me of an interior in my neigbors 1980 fairmont..its that shitty Oh give me a freakin' break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 That's a lot of people "settling".Again, the has been relegated to being a "workhorse" because no retail buyer in their right mind would look at them twice. Seems the Escape taxi cabs are holding up just as well as their brethren in fleets so far. "owners" don't complain about the interiors because 99.9% of the people who drive them don't actually OWN them. When your only defense of the is to badmouth the D3's, you know your argument must be pretty weak. You live in a backwards world when a "cheaper than dirt" interior is just fine in a retail car...but not ok in a fleet vehicle. Not to mention all of the equipment that has been designed for the Panther interior. Oh well, the GM will continue to out sell the Sable and that fact is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 You don't have to put the urea in. VW or the Honda?.......had two buddies in NZ with diesel Rabbits.....thay couldn't get rid of them quick enough...CONSTANTLY in the shop....sure hope VW gets it right this time...although with their US record on "simple" gas engines I would be EXTREMELY wary........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 You live in a backwards world when a "cheaper than dirt" interior is just fine in a retail car...but not ok in a fleet vehicle. Not to mention all of the equipment that has been designed for the Panther interior. Oh well, the GM will continue to out sell the Sable and that fact is You are the one postulating that the Mustang's interior is "cheaper than dirt". Most owners and critics alike disagree with you, plain and simple. So now your argument has faltered to JUST the GM and Sable? Mercury is a hopeless brand altogether, GM and Sable included. The Taurus already outsells the Clown Vic. The MKS will almost certainly surpass the Clown Car in sales within 60 days of its launch too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 You are the one postulating that the Mustang's interior is "cheaper than dirt". Most owners and critics alike disagree with you, plain and simple. So now your argument has faltered to JUST the GM and Sable? Mercury is a hopeless brand altogether, GM and Sable included. The Taurus already outsells the Clown Vic. The MKS will almost certainly surpass the Clown Car in sales within 60 days of its launch too. But again...we wait... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snooter Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 (edited) You are the one postulating that the Mustang's interior is "cheaper than dirt". Most owners and critics alike disagree with you, plain and simple. So now your argument has faltered to JUST the GM and Sable? Mercury is a hopeless brand altogether, GM and Sable included. The Taurus already outsells the Clown Vic. The MKS will almost certainly surpass the Clown Car in sales within 60 days of its launch too. only the blind can call a pile of shit dinner...ford needs to rethink and redevelop inteiors immediately sans the f150 Edited March 4, 2008 by snooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 only the blind can call a pile of shit dinner...ford needs to rethink and redevelop inteiors immediately sans the f150 But the F-150 has hard plastics!!! They can't do anything right!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 only the blind can call a pile of shit dinner...ford needs to rethink and redevelop inteiors immediately sans the f150 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Reynolds Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 Oh well, the GM will continue to out sell the Sable and that fact is I'm just going to readily guess that you have the inability to look at things within the big picture..... Think about it. In the market where the GM appeals the most (older crowd) do you really think they care about a RWD ancient platform, or is it the name that drives their purchase decisions? The Sable looks better, offers a lot more safety equipment and is packaged much better (both interior and trunk space). I would venture to think that the Sable fits their needs much more so than a GM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 But again...we wait... Hmmm...if I was looking for a new vehicle, I could wait until THIS SUMMER to look at them. It's not like we are waiting for the next redesign here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 I'm just going to readily guess that you have the inability to look at things within the big picture..... Think about it. In the market where the GM appeals the most (older crowd) do you really think they care about a RWD ancient platform, or is it the name that drives their purchase decisions? The Sable looks better, offers a lot more safety equipment and is packaged much better (both interior and trunk space). I would venture to think that the Sable fits their needs much more so than a GM. Yeah...and yet the GM outsells it 2-1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 Would someone move to Cottage Grove and start setting things on fire? P obviously has far too much time on his hands these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 Yeah...and yet the GM outsells it 2-1. Looking at average transaction prices might give you a better indication of why. Pile enough discounts on the hood of an Aztek and I might buy one too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Reynolds Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 Yeah...and yet the GM outsells it 2-1. OK, yet that doesn't prove that it is better. Which is the basis on which you are arguing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 Would someone move to Cottage Grove and start setting things on fire? P obviously has far too much time on his hands these days. Or come to my work and break a computer or something. Slow day here too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Reynolds Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 Would someone move to Cottage Grove and start setting things on fire? P obviously has far too much time on his hands these days. I'm sure there is some sort of continuous training he could be doing or something..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 Hmm... the interior of our first Mustang (a 2004) beat the pants off of the Civic my wife was driving at the time, and that interior had been around since 1994! When we upgraded her to the 2006 we were FLOORED by the quality and packaging for something that costs just over $21,000. Everything about the car felt very, very solid. Our friends RAVED for months about how much they loved the car. When I ordered the '08 for her, we got the leather (black with pink stitching), IUP, and ambient lighting. Our friends STILL rave about this one... Tupperware? I don't think so... Is it a Bentley? Mercedes? No. It's a Mustang, and it sells so well for a reason. The improvements will be welcomed, as things can always get better. But the interior of the S197 is NOT one of his cons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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