Deanh Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 Since it was a VW, I was hoping that it would not be that much money. That's more than an Audi A3. not only will it be around 35k it will cost you an arm and a leg to maintain and keep running...it is after all a VW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 good...but much as people P and moan about it, ANY effort in my opinion is a good one......... Not when it keeps out vehicles that get substantially higher mileage than their gas counterparts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 Not when it keeps out vehicles that get substantially higher mileage than their gas counterparts. expect gas to become everybit as effiicient whilst costing less to maintain Dr Doom....rather have a car ON the road with a few less miles per gallon than one constantly in the shop....which VW is NOTORIOUS for.....but hey, its slow, stinky, FWD....all traits you LOVE so much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 expect gas to become everybit as effiicient whilst costing less to maintain Dr Doom....rather have a car ON the road with a few less miles per gallon than one constantly in the shop....which VW is NOTORIOUS for.....but hey, its slow, stinky, FWD....all traits you LOVE so much Nothing is stopping any other manufacturer from making a diesel. And I have heard nothing good about VW diesels. Gas engines not so good. And a diesel Golf saved the driver almost $300.00 per year in fuel costs over the same car with a gas engine (2006 model year) I just cannot understand this misdirected dislike of diesels. They are a FAR better option than some silly hybrid, and diesel IS A BY-PRODUCT of refining gasoline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 (edited) Nothing is stopping any other manufacturer from making a diesel. And I have heard nothing good about VW diesels. Gas engines not so good. And a diesel Golf saved the driver almost $300.00 per year in fuel costs over the same car with a gas engine (2006 model year) I just cannot understand this misdirected dislike of diesels. They are a FAR better option than some silly hybrid, and diesel IS A BY-PRODUCT of refining gasoline. cost of engine....maybe 2500? ( an honest guess ) $300 per year = 8.3 years to retreive cost of engine, usual length of vehicular ownership 3-4 yrs, plus oil changes on diesels, filters and basic maintenence are all SUBSTANTIALLY higher ....in the meantime gas engines are getting technology to GREATLY improve their mileage to even cut the $300 as stated to less.....I think the whole point her is basically that...what is the point?.....I don't dislike diesels, hell I'd embrace them, but their best usage is in trucks....NOT sedans, as for hybrids...same point of veiw.....I question their validity in certain applications....and PS, nothing IS stopping any other manufacturers...explains all the diesel cars actually available and NOT pipe dreams Edited March 3, 2008 by Deanh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 cost of engine....maybe 2500? ( an honest guess ) $300 per year = 8.3 years to retreive cost of engine, usual length of vehicular ownership 3-4 yrs, plus oil changes on diesels, filters and basic maintenence are all SUBSTANTIALLY higher ....in the meantime gas engines are getting technology to GREATLY improve their mileage to even cut the $300 as stated to less.....I think the whole point her is basically that...what is the point?.....I don't dislike diesels, hell I'd embrace them, but their best usage is in trucks....NOT sedans, as for hybrids...same point of veiw.....I question their validity in certain applications.... The cost of the 3.0 diesel in the Jeep GC is ~$1,600. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 The cost of the 3.0 diesel in the Jeep GC is ~$1,600. AND selling like proverbial hotcakes.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 AND selling like proverbial hotcakes.... Just like D3s...a little advertising would go a long way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 Just like D3s...a little advertising would go a long way. avoiding the issue and changing subjects,,,,FOUL! point is P...it HAS a diesel...and is as hot hot hot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 The cost of the 3.0 diesel in the Jeep GC is ~$1,600. So.....5.3 years...much better..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 not only will it be around 35k it will cost you an arm and a leg to maintain and keep running...it is after all a VW Get used to it. If Pelosi has her way, all vehicles will fit that description. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordFanForEver Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 Will ford put the new duratec 2.5 I4 in the ranger for the 2009 Model year since that is the current ranger's last year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 err .. GM DOWN 13%!! - down 6.5% YTD not for February alone Igor Hmmmm....Fusion outsold the Malibu... :reading: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 Hmmmm....Fusion outsold the Malibu... :reading: Sounds like GM Malibu gets lots of lookers but not many actually buying? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 Get used to it. If Pelosi has her way, all vehicles will fit that description. don't think one person has THAT power....personally I just think the politicians have set unattainable parameters and will be forced to back off a little....but by inflating said numbers sure has lit a fire under the manufacturers seats.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixt9coug Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 Some people take everything on the net as gospel. the $35K figure was a ballpark GUESS on my part completely out of the blue. I dont see it as being that far out of line seeing as you can go to VWs site and price a Jetta to just under $32K without much effort as all. Sure, it starts at under $20K but options are easy to take things out of line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 Some people take everything on the net as gospel. the $35K figure was a ballpark GUESS on my part completely out of the blue. I dont see it as being that far out of line seeing as you can go to VWs site and price a Jetta to just under $32K without much effort as all. Sure, it starts at under $20K but options are easy to take things out of line. I don't think you will be far off at all..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackHorse Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 The cost of the 3.0 diesel in the Jeep GC is ~$1,600. AND selling like proverbial hotcakes.. Before we ignore reality once again around here let's just keep in mind that the only way to get the 3.0 diesel in the Grand Cherokee is to buy a "Grand Cherokee Limited" model which has a base price of $36,695. (2WD) without adding the diesel option or any other options. Obviously you just aren't going to sell a lot of them in that price range. I would wager the average diesel GC is easily in the 40 to 43 grand price range and even at $3.00 a gallon it would take you a long time to make up the difference in price from a $30,000 to $33,000 Grand Cherokee. If the 3.0 diesel was offered as a $1600 option on an X model wrangler that bases at $20,000 you can bet they would be selling like hotcakes and if you don't believe that pay visit to just about any Jeep forum and find out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 Before we ignore reality once again around here let's just keep in mind that the only way to get the 3.0 diesel in the Grand Cherokee is to buy a "Grand Cherokee Limited" model which has a base price of $36,695. (2WD) without adding the diesel option or any other options. Obviously you just aren't going to sell a lot of them in that price range. I would wager the average diesel GC is easily in the 40 to 43 grand price range and even at $3.00 a gallon it would take you a long time to make up the difference in price from a $30,000 to $33,000 Grand Cherokee. If the 3.0 diesel was offered as a $1600 option on an X model wrangler that bases at $20,000 you can bet they would be selling like hotcakes and if you don't believe that pay visit to just about any Jeep forum and find out. so just plain BAD marketing strategy.....so what is the cost of a base Cherokee?....bringing the Wrangler into the mix is WAY off course...same as if we had the Escape hybrids powertrain in the taurus Focus....it too may then sell like hotcakes....point is the engine is model specific.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackHorse Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 so just plain BAD marketing strategy.....so what is the cost of a base Cherokee?....bringing the Wrangler into the mix is WAY off course...same as if we had the Escape hybrids powertrain in the taurus Focus....it too may then sell like hotcakes....point is the engine is model specific.... It's not model specific. The 3.0 was offered in the Liberty for a few years as well, although again you had to buy the premium package. It did not however meet emissions requirements and Chrysler did not want to invest the cost of making it compliant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 It's not model specific. The 3.0 was offered in the Liberty for a few years as well, although again you had to buy the premium package. It did not however meet emissions requirements and Chrysler did not want to invest the cost of making it compliant. It was a 2.8 l in the Liberty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackHorse Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 It was a 2.8 l in the Liberty. Ok, I stand corrected then. Point is it can be done without having to sell the vehicle for $30,000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 (edited) It's not model specific. The 3.0 was offered in the Liberty for a few years as well, although again you had to buy the premium package. It did not however meet emissions requirements and Chrysler did not want to invest the cost of making it compliant. they didn't sell well either...even AT the lower MSRP...must admit it was an enticing package though....but i do remember reading the tests and the mags even stated it wasn't worth the extra and mileage did NOT improve as mush as they thought...then again they were probably trying to impress the readers with their 0-60 times......and funny how it didn't pass emmisions in the Liberty but remains avail in the GC,,,theres my case for not just a bolt in on different chassis....( then i read its a 2.8 in the liberty...same engine different stroke? ) So....we have a 34mpg Escape @ 27k...or a 19mpg Liberty @30k?????guess the public spoke..... Edited March 4, 2008 by Deanh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackHorse Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 (edited) they didn't sell well either...even AT the lower MSRP... Really? Chrysler Group was the first automotive manufacturer in the United States to offer a mid-size, diesel-powered SUV, the 2005 Jeep Liberty with a 2.8-liter CRD engine. Based on consumer response, the diesel-powered Jeep Liberty exceeded the company's expectations. More than 11,000 diesel-powered Jeep Liberty vehicles have been sold since production began. The Jeep Liberty diesel continues to be a strong seller, as consumers realize the benefits of diesel technology. http://www.jeep.com/jeep_life/news/jeep/diesel.html As far as your comparison with the Escape goes let me just say . You bring your 4WD gas burner escape and match it up against a 4WD diesel powered Liberty in an off road setting. Just be sure you make friends with the Jeep guy first so he can pull you out when you get stuck. Edited March 4, 2008 by BlackHorse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 Really?http://www.jeep.com/jeep_life/news/jeep/diesel.html and POOF...where can i get one now?...dealer down the road couldn't move em... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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