Offical F-150 HP Ratings?

[P71_CrownVic]

Oops, that might upset the BON mediocre geeks..

 

Common sense will do that.

[blazerdude20]

some people here feel the same as myself... the f150 probably wont have the same numbers as toyota or dodge but its not "slow" and honestly considering alot of these trucks will never see a true days work i dont see it as much of an issue, unless your the majority and only look at numbers and not what those numbers have to work with.

 

it is a thirsty girl though

[P71_CrownVic]

it is a thirsty girl though

 

Yeah...300hp/365tq and it drinks as much fuel as the 381hp/401tq V8 from Toyota, the 345hp/375tq V8 from Dodge, the 317hp/385tq V8 from Nissan, and drinks MORE fuel than the 367hp/375tq V8 from GM.

[suv_guy_19]

And yet despite the negatards, so many people do and will continue to buy Ford Trucks.

[P71_CrownVic]

And yet despite the negatards, so many people do and will continue to buy Ford Trucks.

I love it...quoting FACTS, is now being a 'negatard'.

 

[suv_guy_19]

I love it...quoting FACTS, is now being a 'negatard'.

 

 

 

No, but constantly pointing to the negative is.

[P71_CrownVic]

No, but constantly pointing to the negative is.

Well, looking over the chart right in front of me, their isn't much positive about the F-150. Here's the list:

 

Lowest horsepower

Lowest torque

Lowest redline

Highest pounds per horsepower

Slowest to 30

Slowest to 60

Couldn't make it to 100

Slowest quarter mile

Slowest rolling 5-60mph

Slowest 30-50

Slowest 50-70

Tied the Titan for longest braking distance

Slowest lane change

Shortest truck

Shortest wheelbase

Shortest cargo bed

Heaviest truck

Lowest front interior volume

[suv_guy_19]

Well, looking over the chart right in front of me, their isn't much positive about the F-150. Here's the list:

 

Lowest horsepower

Lowest torque

Lowest redline

Highest pounds per horsepower

Slowest to 30

Slowest to 60

Couldn't make it to 100

Slowest quarter mile

Slowest rolling 5-60mph

Slowest 30-50

Slowest 50-70

Tied the Titan for longest braking distance

Slowest lane change

Shortest truck

Shortest wheelbase

Shortest cargo bed

Heaviest truck

Lowest front interior volume

 

And so you just proved my point.

[jraines2]

I'm on this site atleast a few times per week, and I don't always "chime in", but it seems like the same people are always only focusing on the negatives of Ford Motor Company.

 

This is an American Company, and no matter what, we should be proud of all the accomplishments Ford has made over the last few years.

 

There is no reason for the same people to chime in with their negative comments every time and turn every conversation into an argument. It gets old reading the same crud from the same handful of people every time I read an article I may find interesting.

 

If you hate Ford products so much, what's the point of being here? Sure, you have a right to be here, but what's the point? Is it just to put the product down and be a troll?

 

If I remember correctly, the original point to this topic was the 2009 F150's h.p rating. Have we forgotten that?

 

But, give me a break on the negative attitude. If you're a BON freak, be here for some positive stuff too. It doesn't always have to be doom and gloom.

 

I've owned so many Fords, and I have been pleased overall with all but one. Just one vehicle disappointed me. I've owned about 20 Mustangs, a few Explorers, Lightning, Cobra, Focus, and a few more I wont wast time listing, but it's alot. Of all of those cars, the 2005 Sporttrac Adrenalin was the worst. But, given all the things I hated about it, I still liked it. I can still list the positives if needed.

 

Come on guys, lets put the soap boxes away and have some actual conversations that don't turn into "pissing" contests over the same subjects over and over.

We get the point. You don't like Fords. Your point is taken.

 

Jaime

[P71_CrownVic]

I'm on this site atleast a few times per week, and I don't always "chime in", but it seems like the same people are always only focusing on the negatives of Ford Motor Company.

 

This is an American Company, and no matter what, we should be proud of all the accomplishments Ford has made over the last few years.

 

There is no reason for the same people to chime in with their negative comments every time and turn every conversation into an argument. It gets old reading the same crud from the same handful of people every time I read an article I may find interesting.

 

If you hate Ford products so much, what's the point of being here? Sure, you have a right to be here, but what's the point? Is it just to put the product down and be a troll?

 

If I remember correctly, the original point to this topic was the 2009 F150's h.p rating. Have we forgotten that?

 

But, give me a break on the negative attitude. If you're a BON freak, be here for some positive stuff too. It doesn't always have to be doom and gloom.

 

I've owned so many Fords, and I have been pleased overall with all but one. Just one vehicle disappointed me. I've owned about 20 Mustangs, a few Explorers, Lightning, Cobra, Focus, and a few more I wont wast time listing, but it's alot. Of all of those cars, the 2005 Sporttrac Adrenalin was the worst. But, given all the things I hated about it, I still liked it. I can still list the positives if needed.

 

Come on guys, lets put the soap boxes away and have some actual conversations that don't turn into "pissing" contests over the same subjects over and over.

We get the point. You don't like Fords. Your point is taken.

 

Jaime

 

Jamie, I respect your post...more-so than any other post I have read. But let me tell you where I am coming from:

 

I used to be a die-hard Ford fan. Ever since my Grandpa and I went shopping for his 1989 Taurus SHO. Man that was a sweet car, talk about a Ford you could respect.

 

Because of my grandparents wonderful success with their 1989, they bought a 1994 SHO to replace it...then a 1996 Explorer to replace their 1991 Jeep Grand Cherokee. Because of their success with Fords, I found a MINT 2001 Escape for my Mom back in 2003. It had 30K on it and every single available option that you could get.

 

Then, I bought a Ford to replace my 1991 Ford Escort. I bought a 2001 Crown Vic with 90K on it. It was a former squad from Palatine Illinois. I bought my car in December of 2004. In January of 2005, in 4 degree weather, the intake manifold blew. After going to my local Ford dealer, and being assured by that dealer that my intake was covered under a "extended warranty" I had it towed to that dealer. The dealer looked at and assured me that my intake had blew, but told me that my 2001 was not covered...even though I was well withing the SEVEN year extended warranty window. Fast forward half a year to a year and there was a class action lawsuit in California regarding ALL intake manifolds of certain Ford vehicles with the 4.6 2V V8. That class action lawsuit covered specifically ALL 1996 THROUGH 2001 Ford Crown Victorias with the 4.6 2V V8. The lawsuit said that if you had receipts Ford would refund that amount...if you didn't have receipts then Ford was to pay $700.00 to the owner. I thought this was great. I had a 2001 Crown Vic, it had the 4.6 2V V8, and I had solid PROOF that I had to change the intake. The next day I called the local Ford dealer and they ran my VIN and said, "tough luck". I called numerous Ford dealers around the Twin Cities area...I even contacted the lawyers that took Ford to court. Nobody could do anything for me...even tough my car fit every damn bit of criteria set fourth in the lawsuit.

 

So, yeah, I am entitled to be quite bitter.

 

Then, I log onto this "Ford" site, only to get TONS of shot for:

1. Driving a Ford

2. Praising Ford of Europe

3. Praising Ford of Australia

4. Not liking Ford NA products.

 

And, yeah, I am going to be a bit defensive when I get attacked for driving a Ford that I like. Do I mean half of what I say...probably not...

 

There...now all of the cards are out on the table.

 

Oh and suv_guy...here are the areas where the F-150 lead the pack from that comparo:

 

Payload (1,439 LBS)

Fuel tank size (30 Gal)

Full throttle sound level (73 dBA)

[old_fairmont_wagon]

as I said, not enough for the critics inhabiting this forum.

 

Lets take a moment here folks to come to our senses...

As has been stated by insiders, the opening day engine lineup will be:

 

2V 4.6L Mod V8 (replaces the essex 4.2L V6 in the lineup as the cheap bottom engine) same specs as last year, give or take an economy tune. It will likely be attached to the same 4R75W transmission as last year as well.

 

Mid will be the 3V 4.6L Mod v8 with a very similar tune to what it has in the Explorer, backed by the 6AT. As compared to the Chevy and Dodge small V8s (4.8L and 4.7L SOHC-08) it is very competitive.

 

Top end will be a modestly (but not trivially) updated 3V 5.4L MOD v8. Given the extent of the rumored modifications, it is not unreasonable to expect a power improvement of between 5-10%. That would give a HP rating of 315-330 HP and a TQ rating of 380-395 lbs. Now, the HP number is going to be nothing impressive on paper. The TQ rating will, however, be fully competitive in its class. No, it won't blow their doors off, that's the job of the BOSS whenever it shows up. Add to that the fact that it will have the 6AT behind it (yes, SYSENG, we all know what you think of it) and the powertrain performance will be much improved over what it once was. If you don't believe that the 6AT makes that big of a difference, let me say that you haven't experienced it first hand. I have driven an 08 tahoe with the 5.3L and 4AT, as well as an 06 Expedition with the 4AT 5.4L combo and an 08 Expedition with the 6AT 5.4L combination (all at work, lots of new stuff coming in since Katrina) and I can safely tell you, the current 5.4L 6AT combo is noticeably better (more responsive, better acceleration, etc) than the previous 4AT equiped version and the 5.3L equiped Tahoe. Add to that the improvements that the 5.4L is supposedly getting and I have no doubts that it will make a noticeably improvement in the eyes of most of the credible critics that actually drive it.

 

So, no, it won't be class leading. However, this particular market is most definitely not a market that is dictated by the top engine power rankings. Can someone out there tell me what percentage of years in the last two decades have the top three 1/2 ton trucks (by brand) in sales order also been exactly in rank as their peak HP numbers? I'll give you a hint, its a real small number (going by what I read in a news story a couple years back). Its a total package market moreso than almost any other. When it comes to that, Ford defintely has always been (at least in the last two decades) at least 1 or 2; and it has shown in the sales numbers.

[old_fairmont_wagon]

And, as to the earlier post about the F-150 not getting to 100. My old 99 with te 4.2L v6, in an extended cab, with an auto, would get to 97 mph before the computer retarded the timing. I have no doubts that the computer limited the truck for that test as well. And, its a freaking pickup, why the freak are they taking it to 100 mph anyway? You know what, the F-150 wasn't offerend in Chevy beige that year either, that's another defficiency you can replace it with. Whoop-de-do.

[suv_guy_19]

And just to say so, I have had our F150 to 100 mph just to do it. That is where the governor kicks in. It was not at all hard to get there.

[RichardJensen]

Well, looking over the chart right in front of me, their isn't much positive about the F-150. Here's the list:

tsk tsk. You left off

 

HIGHEST TOWING

MOST PAYLOAD

[Ford-150]

yes P is back!!!

 

ok so your rating the F-150 1/2 TON PICKUP TRUCK as if you were rating a mother fucking sports car....

 

P do you drive or use a pickup truck?

 

it sounds like you just hate the F-150...

[Blueblood]

Incorrect.

 

2008 Supercharged Harley-Davidon F-150

 

What's incorrect? Where does it say in that article that you can buy a blown 5.4 for a stripper reg. cab??????????????????????????????????????

[Blueblood]

Well, the NA 5.4 seems to work just fine for the thousands of F-150 owners who use them for work trucks every day. The only people who seem to give a damn about the lack of power are magazine editors and negatards. For the magazine editors and negatards that need a fast 1/2 ton pickup (for what reason I really don't know) then you can buy the Harley Davidson F-150 and win any drag test against any competitor's 1/2 ton offering. The truck performs as advertised and, apparently, that is plenty to keep people buying it often enough to keep it the best-selling 1/2 ton on the market.

 

Again, people like you don't get it, I know several people who bought Dodge's with Hemi's since Ford didn't offer anything with adequate power.

 

Why whenever somebody asks for competitive power from ford do you people bring up drag racing? Enough with the nonsense already..

 

I don't want to have to buy a 50k truck to get adequate power, and then the Harley is too pretty to use as a real truck, the thing is a cruiser..

[Blueblood]

You sure are in a bitchy mood. Is your prostate bothering you? Considering the simian behavior of the negatards, the lady has been rather reasonable, and didn't deserve your irascible twerpage.

 

Play nice, please.

 

 

Are you blind or just playing stupid? She went off the hook and hurled all sorts of insults at me totally un-provoked, did you even read her post? Obviously not.

 

And she has a nasty track record of doing so to people, as usual on BON, you post your opinion about a Ford vehicle, and the a-holes personally attack you, and then when you respond, you get attacked again by the groupies.

 

The only people that are in a bitchy mood is clearly the so-called cheerleaders who go off on anybody here who doesn't show absolute allegiance to Ford.

 

Unreal... :rolleyes:

[Blueblood]

I personally can't understand the fascination with having the biggest engine out there. For some people these vehicles are used as work trucks, but I would estimate that most people don't use their trucks as trucks. I live in a city, so maybe its just where I live, but most F-Series I see have nothing in the bed. Probably 90% that I see have absolutely nothing in the bed, and are used as commuter vehicles to and from work/school, etc. I am guilty of this myself -- the only thing in the bed of my F-150 is two old tires for extra weight for winter.

 

I have the 4.9L in mine, and I have to say, it is the smoothest engine I have seen in a truck, and its 150hp is more than enough for anything I can throw at it, although I do wish it had more than a four speed.

 

 

Maybe that's because nobody has ever said anything about having "the biggest engine".

 

What people want is competitive power, and a truck that can get out of it's own way, when you offer the smallest engine in the class, it's pretty much the only way to out power the competition (bigger engine). And again, they'll have a V6 for those of you who never tow or go up to high elevations.

[Blueblood]

Common sense will do that.

 

It's amazing to see how people here go into hysterics at the mere mention of Ford staying competitive. They'll brag all day about how the F-150 is the best truck, talk about how it has the highest tow rating and all that, yet downplay the need for a powerful engine, as if engine power has nothing to do with a trucks capability. If that was the case they wouldn't offer the powerstroke diesel in the Super duty's.

 

Of course, the day the F-150 comes out with the Boss you will see all the supposed "cheerleaders" do an about face and start bragging abuot how the F-150 has the most powerful engine and can do 0-60 in 6 seconds flat.

[Blueblood]

some people here feel the same as myself... the f150 probably wont have the same numbers as toyota or dodge but its not "slow" and honestly considering alot of these trucks will never see a true days work i dont see it as much of an issue, unless your the majority and only look at numbers and not what those numbers have to work with.

 

it is a thirsty girl though

 

 

Part of the problem is with trucks, especially these days in advertising bigger is a selling point, and big power is a positive, and the F-150 with the smaller, much less powerful engines gets the worst mileage in the class I believe. so somethig needs to be done.

[Blueblood]

And yet despite the negatards, so many people do and will continue to buy Ford Trucks.

 

 

And despite what you say (Dodge driver), it's less and less all the time, are you saying Ford should not strive to improve the truck? I think in the real world most people don't care about gimmicks and doo-dads, but do care when their friends GM truck is much more powerful, yet gets better FE.

Edited April 8, 2008 by Blueblood

[Blueblood]

Well, looking over the chart right in front of me, their isn't much positive about the F-150. Here's the list:

 

Lowest horsepower

Lowest torque

Lowest redline

Highest pounds per horsepower

Slowest to 30

Slowest to 60

Couldn't make it to 100

Slowest quarter mile

Slowest rolling 5-60mph

Slowest 30-50

Slowest 50-70

Tied the Titan for longest braking distance

Slowest lane change

Shortest truck

Shortest wheelbase

Shortest cargo bed

Heaviest truck

Lowest front interior volume

 

I thought it had the best brakes?

[silvrsvt]

I thought it had the best brakes?

 

 

it does, when its loaded...just to show how flawed his list is

[351cid]

lets all remember when looking at these ratings that they are all PEAK numbers.

 

If you've ever been involved with engine development, then you know that peak numbers are just marketing. It's the average number over time that gets the real work done.

 

Here is an example. I have a 2004 F-250 4X4 with the 6.8L V-10, 4 speed auto, and 4.10 gears. I have a buddy with a 2003 GMC 2500, 8.1L V-8, 5 speed Allison auto, with 4.10 gears. We both have the same size tires.

 

The 8.1L produces 455 Lb feet and 340 HP. My 6.8L produces 425 lb ft and 310 HP.

 

Can anyone explain to me (Or my buddy) why that I can out pull him even though the weight is similar? It's called a real flat torque curve...and my buddy hates that.

 

In the logic here, I'm a loser since my truck has lower hp and tq (peak)...but I always seem to get to the top of the hill first. And just to add insult to injury, I get a 1/2 mpg better fuel mileage when towing and a full mpg better empty.

 

I'll keep my slow ass, loser, low hp truck; thank you very much.