pcsario Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 (edited) "Who makes the best cars?" Overall, the best cars sold in the U.S. are made by Honda. That's the conclusion of a recent analysis conducted by Consumer Reports that looks at the reliability, performance, fuel economy, comfort, interior fit and finish, and ergonomics of 262 vehicles we've recently tested. (Toyota's) reputation for reliability has shown some cracks. For the first time in years, three Toyota-built models had below-average reliability in our survey. In recent testing, vehicles such as the Buick Enclave, Cadillac CTS, Chevrolet Malibu and Silverado, GMC Acadia and Sierra, and Saturn Outlook ranked among the best in their categories. Some of Ford's latest SUVs have not matched their competition in handling, braking, or interior fit and finish. (Well, duh.) :reading: Edited April 16, 2008 by pcsario Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 Another selective quoting job by Pcsario. Any surprise he left these out? "Of all the Ford vehicles we've tested, the percentage that we recommend jumped to 64 percent from 54 percent last year, due to improved reliability" "Ford has climbed to fifth place in our reliability standings. In our latest survey, 93 percent of Ford models had average or better reliability, up from 63 percent last year." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extreme4x4 Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 I have the magazine here. They are basing their article on vehicles built from 1998-2007, and include reliability, their testing, and safety. Thus, the cut and paste of only certain phrases is telling................ and typical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcsario Posted April 16, 2008 Author Share Posted April 16, 2008 They are basing their article on vehicles built from 1998-2007, and include reliability, their testing, and safety. Well, so much for those claiming Ford's quality was equal to Honda's or Toyota's. Anyway, unfortunately, we are not allowed to copy the entire article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 (edited) And let's not forget David Champion's "Ford is now competing with the Japanese" quote. Not from this article of course, from David Kiley's piece on Business Week. Of course, Champion is a total tool for whining about his ex-employer's abysmal quality at their Smyrna plant, but that's another rant for another day. Edited April 16, 2008 by RichardJensen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 Boring. Ya gotta do better than this, 'Sario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcsario Posted April 16, 2008 Author Share Posted April 16, 2008 (edited) And let's not forget David Champion's "Ford is now competing with the Japanese" quote. Just another orchestrated hoax, like the Fusion BS Challenge. Quick... who was the 5th man to land on the moon? Don't google it. Edited April 16, 2008 by pcsario Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 Just another orchestrated hoax, like the Fusion BS Challenge. Quick... who was the 5th man to land on the moon? Don't google it. Yes, it's all a grand conspiracy. There's no possible way that Ford actually has improved quality, thereby making Pscario look like a whiney crybaby. It just can't be!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcsario Posted April 16, 2008 Author Share Posted April 16, 2008 Well Nick, who was the 5th man to land on the moon? That's right... people couldn't care less about a 5th place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syrtran Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 "Who makes the best cars?" :reading: Conclusion: Honda owners prefer Honda. CR has -always- been a Hondafest, even back in the early '80s when the Accord fenders lasted about 12 months. Here, try this one as well: JD Power 2007 IQS. The 2008 study doesn't appear to be out, yet. (Note: Honda does NOT appear at the top). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 Well Nick, who was the 5th man to land on the moon? That's right... people couldn't care less about a 5th place. People must care even less about all the brands that placed lower than Ford then too, huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcsario Posted April 16, 2008 Author Share Posted April 16, 2008 The IQS is pretty much worthless as a reliability study. The 3-year-long VDS is significantly more telling and accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 The IQS is pretty much worthless as a reliability study. Yes, we can't give validity to anything that disagrees with your opinionated self. The 3-year-long VDS is significantly more telling and accurate. And Ford has made great strides there also. Expect them to make another jump when the '08 study is released. :yup: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcsario Posted April 16, 2008 Author Share Posted April 16, 2008 (edited) That has been the yearly excuse for almost half a decade now: "Expect Ford's improvements to show in next year's report!" Said report arrives and Ford still trails the Japanese... and that's when their quality is in a freefall, according to range and others. People must care even less about all the brands that placed lower than Ford then too, huh? You and all the other :cheerleader: couldn't care less about Kia and Hyundai, the brands that are consistenly near Ford in these matters. How can you ask anyone to give Ford a chance, if you yourself couldn't care less about similar improvements there? Edited April 16, 2008 by pcsario Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 (edited) The 3-year-long VDS is significantly more telling and accurate. Yes. Yes it is. As far as measuring long term durability is concerned. Please to note: http://www.jdpower.com/corporate/news/rele...aspx?ID=2007130 Is that MERCURY ahead of TOYOTA? Is that LINCOLN ahead of ACURA? Recall, outside observers, that it was this result that prompted PC to assert, "Mercury is NOT Ford" Edited April 16, 2008 by RichardJensen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcsario Posted April 16, 2008 Author Share Posted April 16, 2008 (edited) http://www.jdpower.com/corporate/news/rele...ts/2007130a.gif That's a pretty drastic gap between Ford and Honda. And yes, Mercury is NOT Ford for the purpose of this discussion. It's a very small sample and lacks several clones. Anyway, thanks for reminding us that Ford ranked behind Pontiac, and barely above Hyundai in reliability. Edited April 16, 2008 by pcsario Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 Looking at Mid Sized Car quality scores: There's Mercury and daylight back to second (Buick La Crosse) LINK The people that complain about Mercury and want it gone should read this survey. I would say Mercury deserves even more funding!!! Well Done Mercury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harley Lover Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 (edited) Honda recalls 353,000 Accords: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24161487 Timing is such a bitch! Edited April 16, 2008 by Harley Lover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcsario Posted April 16, 2008 Author Share Posted April 16, 2008 (edited) ^Don't worry, it'll take a long time for any automaker to challenge Ford's prestigious "Worldwide Leader of Recalls" title. There you go Nick. You can finally go out, and proudly tell the world Ford is No. 1 on something thanks to Dearborn. Edited April 16, 2008 by pcsario Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGallun Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 ^Don't worry, it'll take a long time for any automaker to challenge Ford's prestigious "Worldwide Leader of Recalls" title. There you go Nick. You can finally go out, and proudly tell the world Ford is No. 1 on something thanks to Dearborn. how many recalls on my 2006 fusion? i havent gotten anything in mail!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 Sad fact is Ford could have a perfect track record from here on and people will still throw past recalls in their face. What's happening now is far more important than three years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jobu37 Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 ^Don't worry, it'll take a long time for any automaker to challenge Ford's prestigious "Worldwide Leader of Recalls" title. There you go Nick. You can finally go out, and proudly tell the world Ford is No. 1 on something thanks to Dearborn. IIRC the new steps that have led to the recent gains in quality were first implemented in the Fusion plant in 2005 and rolled out to each subsequent plant that received a redesigned model. So let's see how well Ford performs in the next VDS study. I predict the trio from Hermasillo will help move Ford, overall, up a few notches. And then next year the improvement in the Escape/Mariner duo will add to the momentum. Unfortunately these studies are not real-time so one will always have to wait to see the results of what is currently happening. I would dare say I would as a Ford salesman rather be in a position to say "Next year our quality gains will really start showing up in the various ratings" as opposed to Toyota having to say "yea we don't look as good as Ford now on the quality front but you should of seen us 5 years ago" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 (edited) http://www.jdpower.com/corporate/news/rele...ts/2007130a.gifAnyway, thanks for reminding us that Ford ranked behind Pontiac, and barely above Hyundai in reliability. ...behind Olds too!!! :hysterical: :hysterical: :hysterical: :hysterical: :hysterical: :hysterical: Edited April 16, 2008 by P71_CrownVic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 ...behind Olds too!!! Poor GM. All that brand equity spent on Cadillac 4x4's and Saturn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Reynolds Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 HA.... The next time Consumer Reports has something positive to say when it comes to Ford, I think it will be amusing to see who quickly denounces those findings. And really with the fifth person landing on the moon?? What a piss poor analogy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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