RichardJensen Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 Those covers are there to reduce NVH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 (edited) Those covers are there to reduce NVH Reduce NVH to whom? The guy bungee corded to your hood? And if they actually have a noticable affect on NVH inside the car, that's even more reason Ford should be using them. Edited May 6, 2008 by NickF1011 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 (edited) how the fuck so? It transverse mounting seems like the perfect way of sending power to the front wheels ... It's when you have to work on the back bank of cylinders. For example, some Nissan V-6's have the habit of breaking the exhaust manifold studs. Getting at the back bank of cylinders is a sumbitch. Then there's changing the plugs. Sideways placement can result in a contraint on the maximum turning angle of the front wheels, which can make parking awkward. Compare a mid 80's Civic with a Chevette for parking ability. With a 2dr Chevette, I could stuff it into parking spaces maybe 6-8" longer than the car, because those wheels would really turn. It also can lead to design compromises in engine design, like the narrow bore-spacing in the mods. An indication of the importance of these considerations is the switch-over by Audi, to a longitudinal engine placement in all their front-engine sleds. The downside is that transmissions tend to get more complex with FWD/AWD. Edited May 6, 2008 by Edstock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igor Posted May 6, 2008 Author Share Posted May 6, 2008 Ed that is all true and fair, but it still does not change the fact that it makes not sense to orient your engine longitudinally when powering front wheels. It adds yet another transfer point to break and reduce efficiency ... and is useless .. People can argue FWD v. RWD all they want (it will never EVER end), but if you have FWD, longitudinal engine makes ZERO sense. I am not convinced it makes sense on FWD based AWD cars, but that is another issue ... I accept is .. but on a FWD car - longitudinal mounting is simply stupid it takes up more space, adds parts and reduces efficiency .. all in the name of better turning radius? With the FWD's shorter wheelbase (And generally smaller size) this is usually not an issue (for exceptions see US Spec Mazda6 which has incredibly large turning radius due to its V6 shoehorned into a narrow vehicle. ) Igor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Critic Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 Taurus V6 MKX 3.5L V6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 Ewww. That coolant looks like... Well, like those coke bottles that truckers toss out their windows along the highway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 It adds yet another transfer point to break and reduce efficiency ... and is useless .. Yes indeed. It's probably why both Honda and Volvo resisted using V-type engines, until the competition forced them to do so, and in Volvo's case, they went to an I-6: one cylinder head, one exhaust manifold and a better transmission layout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 Thanks for that image Richard, something foreigners should be aware of? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 Yes indeed. It's probably why both Honda and Volvo resisted using V-type engines, until the competition forced them to do so, and in Volvo's case, they went to an I-6: one cylinder head, one exhaust manifold and a better transmission layout. That too and more distance between engine an firewall in a crash. Also, a Short I-6 only needs one turbo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 Reduce NVH to whom? The guy bungee corded to your hood? And if they actually have a noticable affect on NVH inside the car, that's even more reason Ford should be using them. Well, the engine =is= connected to the rest of the car. I recall reading a Ford flack going on about how the plastic cover reduces the wind noise that comes from air that gets under the hood of the car. I also found a 2003 Expy press release talking about how its engine cover got rid of valvetrain noise. For example, a new acoustic engine cover helps to eliminate high-frequency valve gear and induction sounds. http://media.ford.com/products/presskit_di...&make_id=92 Also, as it turns out, the 5.4L block was redesigned for 2003. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Critic Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 Ewww. That coolant looks like... Well, like those coke bottles that truckers toss out their windows along the highway. Bottle-Bombs Yea, ford now uses the G-05 formula. I bought a bottle of Zerex $11-13/Gal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 Thanks for that image Richard, something foreigners should be aware of? Only if you 1) end up volunteering to 'adopt a highway', 2) are a grunt working for the state's DOT, or 3) have been 'sentenced to serve'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 Oh, uh, they don't toss them at people. They toss them out because, well, they're gross. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Critic Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 Only if you 1) end up volunteering to 'adopt a highway', 2) are a grunt working for the state's DOT, or 3) have been 'sentenced to serve'. Don't forget the crews that mow along the highways, they hate them> When that spinning blade hit's one, it explodes. I wonder if they will start wearing Haz-Mat suits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 (edited) wouldn't know about that. SDDOT sells haying rights to the ROWs here--even the state's TWO!! urban freeway systems. And when you're in a tractor, nothing that happens behind you gets on your clothes. Edited May 6, 2008 by RichardJensen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 how the fuck so? It transverse mounting seems like the perfect way of sending power to the front wheels ... Igor Wow. Clearly someone has the BIG rod up their butt today... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mlhm5 Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 In a nutshell, sales of little crapwagon cars are up, and everything else is down. With gasoline approaching $4 a gallon, people are settling for lesser vehicles. 63 percent of Ford vehicles sold in April were cars or car-like crossover vehicles, while less than 38 percent were trucks or SUVs -- the smallest percentage in more than a decade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 (edited) Only if you 1) end up volunteering to 'adopt a highway', 2) are a grunt working for the state's DOT, or 3) have been 'sentenced to serve'. Sorry, I though you meant the truckers were tossing them out the window at cars..... Edited May 6, 2008 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 63 percent of Ford vehicles sold in April were cars or car-like crossover vehicles, while less than 38 percent were trucks or SUVs -- the smallest percentage in more than a decade. And guess where the money is... Can we ree-name Ford "Titanic" yet"...or is it too early? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 And guess where the money is... Can we ree-name Ford "Titanic" yet"...or is it too early? isn't toyota building TWO more factories for their Tundra?............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 But for all of that, Ford North America is pretty much holding its own now. Much better than 2006 and 2007 with less overall product sales. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 isn't toyota building TWO more factories for their Tundra?............. I don't know...what does Toyota have to do with Ford...other than killing Ford in sales every month? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Critic Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 Can we ree-name Ford "Titanic" yet"...or is it too early? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted May 7, 2008 Share Posted May 7, 2008 My eyes don't glow that much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted May 7, 2008 Share Posted May 7, 2008 THAT'S NOT A PERSIAN!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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