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Ford Jellymoulds Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 (edited) This RS will appeal to absolutely no one, so the question has to be asked why are Ford even bothering to do this pointless car in austere times we live in at the moment, money could have been spent elsewhere in Ford on developing something that wll sell. Just about every body that l know in Evo Scoobie and RS falls in to two camps at the moment the ones that have sold theirs have grins and are very happy that they have sold it, and the ones that still own their car they are grump always moaning and very unhappy as they stuggle with massive fuel cost rises and depreciation values dropping like a lead ballon making cars like the Mondeo depreciation look quite mild which is one of the worst in the business. Surely this sort of car should not be having this sort off effect on buyers, some people are happy enough though. 95% of buyers that would have bought this car will be steering well clear of this sort of car in the future as they are about to be taxed off Europes roads. Road tax the tax you have to pay once a year to drive your Focus RS on Britains roads will be over $1900 after 2010 compared to $0 for your low CO2 emmision Econetic Focus Diesel. It will be hit hard with Showroom tax and Congestion charging. These taxes won't affect Ferrari owners who are cash rich but it is going to destroy the hot hatch market for good. This car will be known as a FAKE as there is no completing FWD car in WRC, and the last successful FWD car that won anything was the Mini back in the 1960's. If Ford ever did use FWD only for WRC in that has become the most boring form motorsport on the planet in the three Ford teams V Serbastian Loeb very unepic battle might find the only other two teams completing in this very uncompetitive might be light-years ahead, this alone will put another 4% of potential RS buyers off that were looking for the same AWD that the WRC has, they would be better off buying a well equiped modded RWD 70's Escort modified fitted with a Cossie. With gasoline about to hit $12 and with such a great choice of protective finish the 1% off potential RS buyers that are left are going to be fighting over this you can see it coming this is going to be a massive? Edited July 4, 2008 by Ford Jellymoulds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 Wow seriously ugly green color! And it has a ugly side vent just like its NA cousin! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Jellymoulds Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 (edited) Wow seriously ugly green color! And it has a ugly side vent just like its NA cousin! That's because Ford wanted to make it appear more environmentally friendly, the tax man won't be fooled by silly protective paint finishes, the taxman is only interested in taxing what CO2 comes out the exhaust pipe which will $1900 after 2010, but a Econetic Focus will pay $0. Fords future hot hatch should have been a diesel at least it would have been more affordable and attractive to buy as you would not be hammered with a massive tax bill every year. Seat Leon TDI takes part in real racing against in the World Touring Car Championship where it make the gasolone powered cars look second rate, they lead the the championship. When it come to making a spin off of the low CO2 Seat Lean TDI for the public they will only be paying a small fraction of the road taxes that you will have to pay on the RS. Seat Leon TDI diesel the worlds best car on the racetrack at the moment it leads the World Touring Car Championship its the leader of the pack. http://www.fiawtcc.com/ Edited July 4, 2008 by Ford Jellymoulds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadOx23 Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 I see now why we don't get the Euro Focus' stateside. The article I read on that Focus RS says it starts at £25,000, which is just shy of $50,000 these days. No on is going to pay $50K for a Focus, regardless of how dressed up it is..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueblood Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 I see now why we don't get the Euro Focus' stateside. The article I read on that Focus RS says it starts at £25,000, which is just shy of $50,000 these days. No on is going to pay $50K for a Focus, regardless of how dressed up it is..... Yea, that's why VW Golf's all start at 50k and the Volvo C30 starts at 44k... :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueblood Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 Wow seriously ugly green color! And it has a ugly side vent just like its NA cousin! The side vent actually looks good in this case, and looks functional, and isn't some cheap looking chrome plastic like the clusterfuck that is the NA Focus.. There's only two things wrong with this, the color (for show), and that it's FWD instead of AWD. Still will be the best FWD hatch ever. If only Ford's home market got stuff like this.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadOx23 Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 I didn't mean to imply that the base Focus starts at that. But it starts at £12,495, which is $24,500. I'm just saying that all the boards complain about why we don't get the Euro Focus and have to deal with the one we have. The answer is $10,000. Thats the difference between the starting price of the US Focus and the UK Focus. And people in the US just aren't willing to pay that much money. Using your Volvo example, I realize that the money conversion doesn't work out exactly. The C30 starts at £14,995 in the UK, which would be about $29,500 in the States. But the starting price here in the States is actually 23,000. So obviously something has to give. But working that out proportionally still puts the Euro spec Focus starting near $20,000, and the American buying public just won't stand for that.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 There's only two things wrong with this, the color (for show), and that it's FWD instead of AWD. I agree. Ford should offer an AWD version with even more power. However, once the European tuners get hold of it, AWD versions might appear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Jellymoulds Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 (edited) I agree. Ford should offer an AWD version with even more power. However, once the European tuners get hold of it, AWD versions might appear. Your right Ed, its all show "all fur coat and no knickers" all dressed up on a budget. Edited July 4, 2008 by Ford Jellymoulds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 Your right Ed, its all show "all fur coat and no knickers" all dressed up on a budget. Jellyperson, methinks you're being a little critical — 300 hp in a sled that size will probably blow most occupants' knickers to hell-and-gone. However, IMHO, they still need an AWD version, an RSS with 450 turbo horses and AWD, if only to offer an AWD competitor for the AUDI A-4/3 high performance variants. Plus a hot turbo-diesel — the biggest they can fit, for godzilla torque. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 I didn't mean to imply that the base Focus starts at that. But it starts at £12,495, which is $24,500. I'm just saying that all the boards complain about why we don't get the Euro Focus and have to deal with the one we have. The answer is $10,000. Thats the difference between the starting price of the US Focus and the UK Focus. And people in the US just aren't willing to pay that much money. That has nothing to do with it. When all other markets changed to C1, there was barely a price increase. By my estimations, Focus ST (Turbo) would sell in the USA for a similar price as the Fusion Focus RS is a hero car, so sales in the USA would carry at a premium price - maybe similar to Taurus starting price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown25 Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 I think a Fiesta or Ka RS would make more sense in Europe given current gas prices. I couldn't imagine owning a car in the UK with the congestion charge, road tax, $10/galllon, and insurance premiums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pms jones Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 (edited) Ford jellymoulds you do talk a load of rubbish some times ford will have no trouble selling the 5000-7000 cars a year.If you think that 300 bhp is a fake car then i suggest you give up on being a car enthusiast Edited July 4, 2008 by pms jones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Jellymoulds Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 I think a Fiesta or Ka RS would make more sense in Europe given current gas prices. I couldn't imagine owning a car in the UK with the congestion charge, road tax, $10/galllon, and insurance premiums. Good idea but our tax system now suits CO2 so a hot diesel engine would bend a few rules. Here is a video that shows how one familiy brought a second hand gasoline big gas guzzler only a year ago not knowing that the car tax system was about to change on cars they paid $24,000 for it, they were hoping to to sell it for $20,000 but could only get $12,000 at the most, it has been stuck on the owners drive and has not moved, and they just can't afford the big loss on it. Priced Off The Road is Tonight’s latest headline-grabbing exploration of crippling oil prices.Here, producer Bob Jefford provides a comprehensive guide on ways to cut your petrol and diesel costs Tonight Video http://www.itv.com/News/tonight/episodes/P...ad/default.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Jellymoulds Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 Ford jellymoulds you do talk a load of rubbish some times ford will have no trouble selling the 5000-7000 cars a year.If you think that 300 bhp is a fake car then i suggest you give up on being a car enthusiast FWD is SHIT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 From AutoExpress: http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpr...s_up_close.html The new Ford Focus RS is equipped with an innovative front suspension system known as a ‘RevoKnuckle’, which is designed to reduce unwanted steering disturbance and torque steer, the impact of torque on steering in front-wheel driven vehicles. Torque steer occurs during hard acceleration, cornering or driving on uneven surfaces, when torque on the driven wheels exceeds grips levels. It is characterised by sudden turning force on the steering wheel and can be exacerbated by vehicles with wide tyres and limited-slip differentials. In Focus RS, the RevoKnuckle works in conjunction with a Quaife Automatic Torque Biasing limited-slip differential. Ford Team RS engineers have worked closely with Ford's Advanced Research Centre in Aachen, Germany to develop the RevoKnuckle technology specifically for the high performance Focus RS. It allows the simplicity of a traditional McPherson strut arrangement, but with geometry settings that minimize steering disturbances and torque steer, principally a reduction in steering offset. “The Ford Focus is an excellent base for a high performance car – agile, responsive and stable,” explained Capito. “We studied at length how best to enhance these qualities for a high performance model. Our work has shown clearly that our approach in combining a tuned RevoKnuckle with the Quaife differential is an ideal solution for a high performance front-wheel-drive road car like Focus RS. “As you would expect, we gave all-wheel-drive careful consideration, but by combining and tuning these elements and learning from Ford’s expertise in industry-leading handling, we have managed to eliminate the weight of AWD from the car and still have been able to target a class-leading balance of traction, handling and performance. “The result is a lightweight set-up, that will deliver the right blend of traction and razor sharp controllability – in a way no one would have expected from front-wheel-drive, and we believe we have made the right choice,” Capito concluded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Jellymoulds Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 From AutoExpress: http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpr...s_up_close.html Ford of Europes only RWD car Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcsario Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 (edited) The side vent actually looks good in this case Exactly, can't believe he is STILL trying to defend the FuckUs' ugliness. "Bububu why aren't people bashing how the side vent looks on this?" </silvrsvt> Edited July 4, 2008 by pcsario Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcsario Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 Figures that Jellymoulds --the one who wants FOE to design cars that resemble a wart or a chromed suitcase-- is against this effort. The Cortina isn't coming back, get over it already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Jellymoulds Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 (edited) Exactly, can't believe he is STILL trying to defend the FuckUs' ugliness. Ford's new US Focus is selling like hotcakes just like the old Cortina did, winners are what Ford needs at the moment. Ford's Cortina broke almost every record. It was the firm's fastest-selling model, 1979, nearly 200,000 found a home in Britain alone, back then there was only half the market there is today the Focus only managed only 130,000 last year in the UK and that without British Leyland around. Today's Ford salespeople would no doubt love to repeat that sort of fame, but as the blue oval no longer produces cars at Dagenham, or indeed in Britain, that looks unlikely. Even now, two decades after the last Cortina rolled off the production line, it has no rival. Yes you are right the Cortina and the US Focus have a lot in common they are both good sellers when are you going to buy one Mr Pissadio. It's such a shame the Cortina's decendant the Mondeo is letting Ford down a bit in the UK. Cortina was always the No1 in the British top 10 best sellers the Mondeo very rarely makes it into our UK top 10 now. Yes the US Focus is simply brilliant just like the old Cortina was you should treat yourself to one. Cortina success helped to sweep Ford to the top of British sales charts in that decade, a position that it has never lost. The Lotus Cortina Mk1 and the Mk2 1600E were the best. What car do you drive Mr Pissadio you should change it in for a shiny new US Focus you can't go wrong. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/main.j...0/emfcort21.xml Yes you are right the Cortina & the US Focus are great cars. Edited July 4, 2008 by Ford Jellymoulds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 I think a Fiesta or Ka RS would make more sense in Europe given current gas prices. I couldn't imagine owning a car in the UK with the congestion charge, road tax, $10/galllon, and insurance premiums. The Fiesta is lucky to be 2300 lb so, an Ecoboost 1.6 I-4 in the new body would make an excellent RS. There already is a Fiesta ST and an ST 500 both with the 2.0 I-4 - they go pretty good as well! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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