Sharing the Wealth

[fmccap]

There are 2 things you can do....go register as a democrat, that should take care of your shame and go and look for yourself, obama's tax proposals are all over the internet on reputable sites...his plan will hurt small businesses and ultimately depress econimic growth...

It's people like this that ruin the party. "If your not with us get out". Once again this also proves the point about not looking back to see what is behind you. There is nothing good about McCains either.

Scoring McCain’s Tax Proposals

These estimates make one thing clear. Senator McCain plans a radical downsizing of government. Slashing pork, earmarks, and underperforming programs would offset only a fraction of the revenues. Cuts the size of those he proposes will require slashing discretionary spending and entitlements, and probably even reining in defense spending. Small wonder he has backed away from his earlier pledge to balance the budget—meaning that these tax cuts, like the ones signed by President Bush, will be paid for by our children.

[Ralph Greene]

In my opinion.....when Obama gets elected....for the most part, republicans brought it on themselves.

 

They are supposed to be the party of less government and fiscal restraint, yet all they have done recently is borrow and spend. If all that spending needed to be done, they should have raised taxes. And....any fool knows, near the end of a business cycle, you can not stimulate the economy and raise tax revenue by cutting taxes. That only works early in a business cycle.

 

Also....many Americans are fed up with the right wingers telling us how to think, believe, and live. They are not much of an example.

 

The traditional republican platform of generally less government, less taxes, and fiscal restraint is a plenty good enough platform to run on. But no.....they had to become the party of the religious right, the policeman of the world, and the morality cops. That just don't fly forever with most Americans. They brought this democratic landslide on themselves.

 

A good southern democrat is very close to what a republican used to be.

Edited November 1, 2008 by Ralph Greene

[retro-man]

Ralph,

 

I have said some unkind things before about the financial sector of the economy - but you are generally a voice of reason around here. Incredible to see the hate build to a fever pitch in these last days. Desperation smells.

[Ralph Greene]

There are 2 things you can do....go register as a democrat, that should take care of your shame and go and look for yourself, obama's tax proposals are all over the internet on reputable sites...his plan will hurt small businesses and ultimately depress econimic growth...

 

Yes....they are all over the Internet. And....they are not true. Just more republican smear. BTW....I'm a retired VP of Investments from a major Wall Street firm, and know everything the Wachovia guy knows. The Wachovia guy should be ashamed of his mis leading statements.

 

I'm not supporting Obama, but I just can't stand all the lies. It's a sad day if the republican case for the presidency is so weak they have to resort to all this.

[napfirst]

Yes....they are all over the Internet. And....they are not true. Just more republican smear. BTW....I'm a retired VP of Investments from a major Wall Street firm, and know everything the Wachovia guy knows. The Wachovia guy should be ashamed of his mis leading statements.

 

I'm not supporting Obama, but I just can't stand all the lies. It's a sad day if the republican case for the presidency is so weak they have to resort to all this.

Please enlighten us Mr. VP....tell us where the Wachovia guy led us astray.

[retro-man]

I remember Clinton's tax cut "plan" he had when he ran his first time. Of course, as soon as he took office, "things were worse than expected", and the tax cuts evaporated.

 

Ditto for Obama. The only people who will benefit from his economic plans are the unwed mothers, drug addicts, alcoholics, deadbeats, the lazy, etc. - those that pay no income tax. They will benefit, since that is one of his main voting blocks. Socialism is all about pulling down the achievers to the level of the underachievers.

 

If you have a decent job and was disciplined to keep your pants on and get an education, Obama has something for you - a good screwing. That is what Washington is all about.

"If you have a decent job and was (sic) disciplined to (sic) keep your pants on and get an education"? You mean like Obama? Here's one for you taxman. It was written a few years ago, but everything in this link still holds true: link

 

Top five murder rates by state, and vote in 2004:

1.) Louisiana (red)

2.) Maryland (blue)

3.) Alabama (red)

4.) New Mexico (red)

5.) South Carolina (red)

 

Top five divorce rate by state, and vote in 2004:

1.) Nevada (red)

2.) Arkansas (red)

3.) Oklahoma (red)

4.) Tennessee (red)

5.) Wyoming (red)

 

Top five unwed pregnancy by state, and vote in 2004:

1.) Nevada (red)

2.) Arizona (red)

3.) Mississippi (red)

4.) New Mexico (red)

5.) Texas (red)

 

Top five federal spending by state (i.e. States on the dole), and vote in 2004:

1.) North Dakota (red)

2.) New Mexico (red)

3.) Mississippi (red)

4.) Alaska (red)

5.) West Virginia (red)

 

Top five tax contributors by state (i.e. fiscally responsible, productive States), and vote in 2004:

1.) New Jersey (blue)

2.) Connecticut (blue)

3.) New Hampshire (blue)

4.) Nevada (red)

5.) Illinois (blue)

 

Oh the hypocrisy.

[Ralph Greene]

Please enlighten us Mr. VP....tell us where the Wachovia guy led us astray.

 

Well....at first when I looked at the alleged tax rates under Obama, I thought they were just the old rates under Clinton, before the Bush tax cuts scheduled to expire soon. But they (made up numbers) are too high for that.

 

So the only way I can figue someone could come up with tax rates that high would be to add state and local taxes to the rates under Clinton.

 

Congress, in it's wisdom, made the Bush tax cuts temporary, so they are scheduled to go away. Obama has stated he is in favor of letting them die away, if that is Congress'e wish. That is being called his tax increase. But even those Clinton rates aren't as high as the previous quoted artilce....so something is being added.

 

The only tax increase I have heard Obama say he wants....is to let the Bush cuts die and go back to the rates under Clinton, and then make those making over $250,000 pay SS tax on their full wages instead of capping out where it does now. Everyone already pays medicare tax on all their wages, so the increase is just the SS part on that amount that is currently above the cap. It is not the full 7.45%. He has proposed changes to the EIC (earned income credit), but not sure Congress will go along with him on that. But even people whp pay no fed taxes and get EIC, still pay 7.45% payroll taxes, so everyone who works pays something under current plan now. Even those collecting EIC, still net pay some taxes.

 

This is not a tax increase for very many people, although the McCain spin makes it sound like a big deal (note how that myth is quoted on here). And with our deficit spending, we need some new tax revenues from somewhere. My party should just stick to the facts and the traditional republican values and they have a chance. The problem is their recent record does not reflect those values, so they are in trouble with the electorate.

Edited November 1, 2008 by Ralph Greene

[napfirst]

"If you have a decent job and was (sic) disciplined to (sic) keep your pants on and get an education"? You mean like Obama? Here's one for you taxman. It was written a few years ago, but everything in this link still holds true: link

 

Top five murder rates by state, and vote in 2004:

1.) Louisiana (red)

2.) Maryland (blue)

3.) Alabama (red)

4.) New Mexico (red)

5.) South Carolina (red)

 

Top five divorce rate by state, and vote in 2004:

1.) Nevada (red)

2.) Arkansas (red)

3.) Oklahoma (red)

4.) Tennessee (red)

5.) Wyoming (red)

 

Top five unwed pregnancy by state, and vote in 2004:

1.) Nevada (red)

2.) Arizona (red)

3.) Mississippi (red)

4.) New Mexico (red)

5.) Texas (red)

 

Top five federal spending by state (i.e. States on the dole), and vote in 2004:

1.) North Dakota (red)

2.) New Mexico (red)

3.) Mississippi (red)

4.) Alaska (red)

5.) West Virginia (red)

 

Top five tax contributors by state (i.e. fiscally responsible, productive States), and vote in 2004:

1.) New Jersey (blue)

2.) Connecticut (blue)

3.) New Hampshire (blue)

4.) Nevada (red)

5.) Illinois (blue)

 

Oh the hypocrisy.

Let me help you with some facts, your link is a "little" suspect....

 

 

Murder rates are based on cases per 100,000 for all of calendar 2007:

Mich. (blue)

Marland (blue)

Missouri (Red)

N.J. (blue)

D.C. (blue)

[napfirst]

In reference to unwed mothers, I think teen pregnancies may be a beeter indicator of how the remainder of your life may turn out:

 

1). N.D. (Red)

2.) Vermont (blue)

3.) N.H.. (blue)

4.) Minn. (blue)

5.) Maine (blue)

[napfirst]

middle class income... is now defined by dems as 120K.....I got 120.....can I get 100.....how low will they go...how on to your ass...

[retro-man]

In reference to unwed mothers, I think teen pregnancies may be a beeter indicator of how the remainder of your life may turn out:

 

1). N.D. (Red)

2.) Vermont (blue)

3.) N.H.. (blue)

4.) Minn. (blue)

5.) Maine (blue)

Wrong. See page 11: link

Ranking for teenage pregnancy - age 15 - 19:

1.) Nevada (red)

2.) Arizona (red)

3.) Mississippi (red)

4.) New Mexico (red)

5.) Texass (red)

 

Hypocrites.

 

If you're going to pull stuff out of your ass, at least add a credible link.

[napfirst]

Wrong. See page 11: link

Ranking for teenage pregnancy - age 15 - 19:

1.) Nevada (red)

2.) Arizona (red)

3.) Mississippi (red)

4.) New Mexico (red)

5.) Texass (red)

 

Hypocrites.

 

If you're going to pull stuff out of your ass, at least add a credible link.

your data is old......

[retro-man]

Let me help you with some facts, your link is a "little" suspect....

 

 

Murder rates are based on cases per 100,000 for all of calendar 2007:

Mich. (blue)

Marland (blue)

Missouri (Red)

N.J. (blue)

D.C. (blue)

 

No no. Let me help you: link

 

Murders per 100,000 population for year 2007 (excluding DC, which is off the charts - and I acknowledge would be blue):

1.) Louisiana (red - 14.2)

2.) Maryland (blue - 9.8)

3.) New Mexico (red - 8.2)

4.) South Carolina (red - 8.0)

5.) Georgia (red - 7.5)

 

Again, at least provide a credible link when pulling numbers out of your arse.

Edited November 1, 2008 by retro-man

[napfirst]

Your link from the Guttmacher Institute is not credible:

 

The Center was renamed in memory of Alan Guttmacher, an Ob/Gyn and former president of Planned Parenthood,

 

need I say more?

Edited November 1, 2008 by napfirst

[Edstock]

Letter From The Blue States

 

We've decided we're leaving.

 

We intend to form our own country, and we're taking the other Blue States with us. In case you aren't aware, that includes California, Hawaii, Oregon, Washington, Minnesota ,Wisconsin , Michigan , Illinois and all the Northeast.

 

We believe this split will be beneficial to the nation, and especially to the people of the new country of New California.

 

To sum up briefly: You get Texas , Oklahoma and all the slave states. We get stem cell research and the best beaches. We get the Statue of Liberty. You get Dollywood. We get Intel, Mac, and Microsoft. You get WorldCom. We get Harvard. You get Ole' Miss.

 

We get 85 percent of America 's venture capital and entrepreneurs. You get Alabama . We get two-thirds of the tax revenue, you get to make the red states pay their fair share.

 

Since our aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower than the Christian Coalition's, we get a bunch of happy families. You get a bunch of single hockey moms.

 

Please be aware that Nuevo California will be pro-choice and anti-war, and we're going to want all our citizens back from Iraq at once. If you need people to fight, ask your evangelicals. They have kids they're apparently willing to send to their deaths for no purpose, and they don't care if you don't show pictures of their children's caskets coming home. We do wish you success in Iraq , and hope that the WMDs turn up, but we're not willing to spend our resources in Bush's Quagmire.

 

With the Blue States in hand, we will have firm control of 80 percent of the country's fresh water, more than 90 percent of the pineapple and lettuce, 92 percent of the nation's fresh fruit, 95 percent of America's quality wines, 90 percent of all cheese, 90 percent of the high tech industry, most of the U.S. low-sulfur coal, all living redwoods, sequoias and condors, all the Ivy and Seven Sister schools plus Stanford, Cal, Yale, Harvard, Cal Tech and MIT.

 

With the Red States, on the other hand, you will have to cope with 88 percent of all obese Americans (and their projected health care costs), 92 percent of all U.S. mosquitoes, nearly 100 percent of the tornadoes, 90 percent of the hurricanes, 99 percent of all Southern Baptists, virtually 100 percent of all televangelists, Rush Limbaugh, Bob Jones University , Clemson and the University of Georgia. We get Hollywood and Yosemite , thank you.

 

Additionally, 38 percent of those in the Red states believe Jonah was actually swallowed by a whale, 62 percent believe life is sacred unless we're discussing the war, the death penalty or gun laws. 44 percent say that evolution is only a theory, 53 percent that Saddam was involved in 9/11 and 61 percent of you crazy bastards believe you are people with higher morals then we lefties.

 

Finally, we're taking the good pot, too. You can have that dirt weed they grow in Mexico

 

Peace out,

 

Blue States

 

Thanks, Dean! :happy feet:

[retro-man]

Your link from the Guttmacher Institute is not credible:

 

The Center was renamed in memory of Alan Guttmacher, an Ob/Gyn and former president of Planned Parenthood,

 

need I say more?

Yes, you do need to say more. The Republican tactic of discrediting the messenger whenever the facts disagree with your ideology (whether it be WMDs in Iraq, global warming, evolution, or whatever) no longer has traction. That tactic has become so knee-jerk and reflexive that it long ago shed any trace veneer of thoughtfulness. They gave their sources (U.S. census) and their methodology. The fact that you don't agree with the findings doesn't invalidate them.

 

Having said that - I did find a newer source that agrees with your ranking (so I will concede) - but, FYI that source gave Guttmacher as its source. So, national rankings have changed in 7 years. The credibility (or not) of the source hasn't.

[RangerM]

Wrong. See page 11: link

Ranking for teenage pregnancy - age 15 - 19:

 

Hypocrites.

 

If you're going to pull stuff out of your ass, at least add a credible link.

 

Retro, I'm not sure where the hypocritical part is coming in. I know the issue is (apparently) teen pregnancy, but there is something I think is worth mentioning in from your data. The list you provided from the table is accurate.

 

Ranking for teenage pregnancy - age 15 - 19:

1.) Nevada (red)

2.) Arizona (red)

3.) Mississippi (red)

4.) New Mexico (red)

5.) Texas (red)

 

Although, the statisitics on most Live Births (15-19) is also accurate: (same table)

 

1.) Mississippi (red)

2.) Texas (red)

3.) Arizona (red)

4.) Arkansas (red)

5.) New Mexico (red)

 

(Nevada is 8)

 

This would seem to me to be an example of practicing what is preached. I fail to see the hypocrisy.

 

Had the issue been abortion rate, I would agree with your accusation, but the results just don't support it (except in the case of Nevada).

 

Top 5 States Abortion rates (15-19)

1) New Jersey

2) New York

3) Maryland

4) Nevada

5) California

[suv_guy_19]

Yeah well, my dad will beat up your dad.

[BlackHorse]

No no. Let me help you: link

 

Murders per 100,000 population for year 2007 (excluding DC, which is off the charts - and I acknowledge would be blue):

1.) Louisiana (red - 14.2)

2.) Maryland (blue - 9.8)

3.) New Mexico (red - 8.2)

4.) South Carolina (red - 8.0)

5.) Georgia (red - 7.5)

 

Again, at least provide a credible link when pulling numbers out of your arse.

 

You're so full of shit with your skewed data that it's laughable retro. You can't simply throw out data based on state and think that proves some agenda driven poltiical point for you.

 

Take Louisanna for instance. In 2007 there were 608 total murders, 209 of which took place just in the city of New Orleans. New Orelans is a liberal strong hold, voting democrat in every election. That one city alone is where 1 in every 3 murders in the entire state happen.

 

New Mexico is similar in that it had 162 total murders in the state in 2007. Now 54 of those murders took place in Albequrque alone. This again accounts for 1 in every 3 murders in the state coming out of a single city that voted democrat in the last election.

 

You get the idea. I could go on and on. Large cities are where you tend to find democrat strong holds. Large cities are where you find higher murder rates.

 

That wasn't even a good try on your part to try and paint conservative states as violent. It wasn't even a lame half ass try. It was just obvious skewing of the facts and data.

 

By the way the single most dangerous city in the nation is Detroit Michigan. Guess what. Blue city.

[napfirst]

You're so full of shit with your skewed data that it's laughable retro. You can't simply throw out data based on state and think that proves some agenda driven poltiical point for you.

 

Take Louisanna for instance. In 2007 there were 608 total murders, 209 of which took place just in the city of New Orleans. New Orelans is a liberal strong hold, voting democrat in every election. That one city alone is where 1 in every 3 murders in the entire state happen.

 

New Mexico is similar in that it had 162 total murders in the state in 2007. Now 54 of those murders took place in Albequrque alone. This again accounts for 1 in every 3 murders in the state coming out of a single city that voted democrat in the last election.

 

You get the idea. I could go on and on. Large cities are where you tend to find democrat strong holds. Large cities are where you find higher murder rates.

 

That wasn't even a good try on your part to try and paint conservative states as violent. It wasn't even a lame half ass try. It was just obvious skewing of the facts and data.

 

By the way the single most dangerous city in the nation is Detroit Michigan. Guess what. Blue city.

it's the same for the Atlanta Metro area also.....but my experience with Retro is has a tendency to ignore the facts.

[RangerM]

Blackhorse; Napfirst,

 

Make your argument, but be nice, please. It never hurts.

[napfirst]

Blackhorse; Napfirst,

 

Make your argument, but be nice, please. It never hurts.

I WAS BEING NICE.

[RangerM]

I WAS BEING NICE.

 

Ok. Thanks.

 

Keep up the good work.

[Versa-Tech]

Wow... this whole red/blue bullshizite is absolutely asinine. Free you're minds and realize that partisan beliefs are destroying our nation, not one party or another. You're statistics are nothing more than generalizations with no correlation to the true reasons for our nations problems. Shame on you.

[mettech]

Back on topic...

 

If my taxes go up... I'll have to fire our house cleaner and lawn service.

 

Tell me that doesn't hit the "working man"

 

However, I would still hire "Joe the Plumber" as needed.