jafo Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 With all due respect, calling my source "an idiot" does not validate your claim. What source do you have to back up your cliam that manufactuing output is growing? He is an idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldZephyr Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 (edited) He is an idiot. I went to the link and it looks like pretty good evidence to back up his claim that manufacturing output it higher now than in the 40s. What evidence does Lou Dobbs have? Edited February 12, 2009 by OldZephyr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 OTOH, regarding those statistics, it would be interesting to see a breakdown of where the value is concentrated..... Because, you know, a single 747 is equal to about 460,000 TV sets http://www.boeing.com/commercial/prices/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfan Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 You go right ahead and have your $200,000 surgery in Thailand for $20,000. Let me know which funeral home to send the flowers to while you're at it. Go ahead and laugh. The incident rates of doctor screw ups is much lower there than here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extreme4x4 Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Go ahead and laugh. The incident rates of doctor screw ups is much lower there than here. Thats because, in Thailand, if they screw up................ they just kill you. You're under, so you will never know the difference anyway. Family comes looking for you............ "no, sorry, never heard of that person before." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 OTOH, regarding those statistics, it would be interesting to see a breakdown of where the value is concentrated..... Because, you know, a single 747 is equal to about 460,000 TV sets http://www.boeing.com/commercial/prices/ I'd rather have an economy that is pumping out jumbo jets than televisions. Maybe that's just me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 I'd rather have an economy that is pumping out jumbo jets than televisions. There is no reason not to have both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 (edited) There is no reason not to have both. Sure there is. We can't build televisions cheap enough ourselves. And nobody else has the ability to build jumbo jets (except other highly skilled industrial economies like France) so they aren't going to be outsourced for some time. It's the same reason a lot of other consumer goods aren't built here. Americans aren't willing to pay more for them just to see a "Made in USA" sticker on them. Edited February 12, 2009 by NickF1011 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev-Mo Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 (edited) He is an idiot. I do not know were Lou Dobbs gets his stats. I just said "according to Lou Dobbs..." You provided a response that was appropriate - however subject to the 'free trade statistical spin' that we hear from that side. I however, did not call anyone an idiot. Perhaps what was implied that “American owned” manufacturing in the US is at 1940 levels, not the aggregate US and foreign owned that your sources quote. Everyone spins their message to get their point across. Here is some input from the other side - I have never heard anyone call Dr. Paul Craig Roberts an idiot. http://www.economyincrisis.org/ Edited February 12, 2009 by Kev-Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev-Mo Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Sure there is. We can't build televisions cheap enough ourselves. And nobody else has the ability to build jumbo jets (except other highly skilled industrial economies like France) so they aren't going to be outsourced for some time. It's the same reason a lot of other consumer goods aren't built here. Americans aren't willing to pay more for them just to see a "Made in USA" sticker on them. I strongly disagree - I would pay a few bucks more every time for an American made product. The real problem is we don't even get the chance to decide - the decision has been made for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 I strongly disagree - I would pay a few bucks more every time for an American made product. The real problem is we don't even get the chance to decide - the decision has been made for us. You would. Most Americans wouldn't. They already voted with their pocketbooks when televisions were still being made here. They chose not to buy them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papilgee4evaeva Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 You would. Most Americans wouldn't. They already voted with their pocketbooks when televisions were still being made here. They chose not to buy them. It's funny how, after a product or technology is pulled after a long-enough period of unsatisfactory sales, you get people coming out of the woodworks talking about how the manufacturers aren't listening to the customers' desires. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev-Mo Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 You would. Most Americans wouldn't. They already voted with their pocketbooks when televisions were still being made here. They chose not to buy them. It would be tough to argue against your statement "most Americans" wouldn't, since as you say they didn't. Too bad this is the case; we are only cutting our own lifelines by not allowing other Americans to earn a fair living. This is my strong belief, others may feel differently. I will continue to stick with my conviction to always buy an American made product, by and American owned company whenever possible, even if it costs more. To me, a product made in the USA by a foreign owned company is the same as an import. To the 'free trade' crowd; please don't get all fired up and/or resort to name calling. I don't agree with you, you don't agree with me, we are not going to convince anyone to cross over this day on this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 It's funny how, after a product or technology is pulled after a long-enough period of unsatisfactory sales, you get people coming out of the woodworks talking about how the manufacturers aren't listening to the customers' desires. In fact, the manufacturer's only job is to listen to customers' desires. Deliver the product customers want while making a profit. Hard to make a profit if it costs more to manufacture a product than you can sell it for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Too bad this is the case; we are only cutting our own lifelines by not allowing other Americans to earn a fair living. People don't need to be working in a factory to make a "Fair Living", thought that the American dream was to send your kids to school and have a better paying job then you did...not have them stuck doing the same crappy job your doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev-Mo Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 People don't need to be working in a factory to make a "Fair Living", thought that the American dream was to send your kids to school and have a better paying job then you did...not have them stuck doing the same crappy job your doing. You mean "that you're doing" That's funny, I don't recall ever saying I have a crappy job. I actually have a very good job, in a great organization, working for a prominent, large American company that is known around the world. I work with software solutions for manufacturing operations, and have had the opportunity to visit production sites all over the US and abroad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenCaylor Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 You would. Most Americans wouldn't. They already voted with their pocketbooks when televisions were still being made here. They chose not to buy them. I bought only RCA TVs until they were no longer available. I will only buy New Balance sneakers. I will not fly on Jet Blue airlines. Every little bit helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 In fact, the manufacturer's only job is to listen to customers' desires. Deliver the product customers want while making a profit. Hard to make a profit if it costs more to manufacture a product than you can sell it for. The consumers have no voting rites. It's all done in the board room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 The consumers have no voting rites. It's all done in the board room. If that company doesn't make what the consumers want, that company will go out of business. They vote with their pocket books Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 You mean "that you're doing" That's funny, I don't recall ever saying I have a crappy job. I actually have a very good job, in a great organization, working for a prominent, large American company that is known around the world. I work with software solutions for manufacturing operations, and have had the opportunity to visit production sites all over the US and abroad. I wasn't calling you out directly, in GENERAL....Not everyone wants to work in a factory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 If that company doesn't make it as cheap as possible, they will never get huge bonuses. Fixed it for ya. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 Fixed it for ya. haha true but also, thats the main reason a business is in Business..to make money! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jafo Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 I bought only RCA TVs until they were no longer available. I will only buy New Balance sneakers. I will not fly on Jet Blue airlines. Every little bit helps. You do realize airbus uses a non trivial of US sourced parts to build their airplanes. You do also realize that boeing uses foreign sourced parts. New Balance also has foreign made shoes. You will need to check the label to make sure you are getting US made pair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerM Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 (edited) All the negativity in this thread is encouraging to me, so long as my competitors' attitudes are the same. Right now, most companies and individuals are looking for VALUE; whether it be from a Sony TV or a Ford Fusion. They are going where their money is going to do the most good for themselves. I'm hoping my competitors are as paralyzed as many others are, because I'm about to put a knife to their jugular. I just got back from an out-of-town trip and my client is looking to go "sole source" with my company. Know why? VALUE! They can get the same quality of work from me, at a lower price. The answer to this momentary blip is to work better and smarter, not necessarily harder. This is opportunity waiting for anyone to grasp it. Show me a guy working hard to spin his wheels, and I'll show you someone who's going nowhere fast. Edited February 13, 2009 by RangerM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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