suv_guy_19 Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 (edited) Where is the freedom of the child to learn and make up their own mind? Homosexuality exists and always will...or should we not teach truth because it offends some people? Hiding a child from the truth should not be allowed. THAT is indoctrination. Edited June 1, 2009 by suv_guy_19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted June 2, 2009 Author Share Posted June 2, 2009 Where is the freedom of the child to learn and make up their own mind? Homosexuality exists and always will...or should we not teach truth because it offends some people? Hiding a child from the truth should not be allowed. THAT is indoctrination. not at a school...thats is a Parents job....and if its FORCED on a child how can he even have the choice to begin with...do you think they are asked to sign up for the class "Embracing our gay friends",,,I DON"T THINK SO!....so, like I have touched on, next up seperate schools...seperate rights....forced leniency....this IS just the brginning.....I'm all for equal rights, but it HAS to be a two way street...and this will NOT be.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cocheese Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Yeah...their 'gay agenda'... Anyway, the Supreme Court thought that marriage was a right....as did many lower Canadian courts...that's why we're where we are, not because of the belief of one person or another. http://csc.lexum.umontreal.ca/en/2004/2004.../2004scc79.html I guess you missed the part where I said the government doesn't have the right to change the definition. But then again, you're a Liberal, so you want the Government making all your decisions for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 I guess you missed the part where I said the government doesn't have the right to change the definition. The government does have the right as it's a legal definition..and the Supreme court agreed with their assessment and the assessments of the courts below them. They decided that the Charter was not being broken and that they would not answer the question...because it had already been decided. The same thing will probably happen in the US eventually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 not at a school...thats is a Parents job....and if its FORCED on a child how can he even have the choice to begin with...do you think they are asked to sign up for the class "Embracing our gay friends" GAY PEOPLE ARE SIMPLY PEOPLE. They should be embraced. You can't shield a child from the real world. Eventually they'll find out. Teaching children sex education has always happened in schools. Children aren't going to be turned gay by learning about gay people. This is just silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mettech Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 GAY PEOPLE ARE SIMPLY PEOPLE. They should be embraced. You can't shield a child from the real world. Eventually they'll find out. Teaching children sex education has always happened in schools. Children aren't going to be turned gay by learning about gay people. This is just silly. Never say never, and never say always. Sex ed was not "always" in the school system. I propose that the new word for a homosexual union be called "Narriage" It would come after Marriage and it looks like two doing the "69". :shades: :reading: Not that there's anything wrong with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Would anyone consider Fiat and Chrysler a same sex wedding or just a shotgun wedding? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 I personally hope that it's a no sex wedding...don't want to take the chance that they might be able to reproduce....:P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macattak1 Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 How did it become so easy for one to ridicule, ignore, shove aside, disregard, invalidate, misstate, mislead, and generally laugh at all opponent's concerns and challenges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 I'm tired of arguing about this. The concerns are baseless, but I'm not going to convince you today, tomorrow, or ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mettech Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 I'm tired of arguing about this. The concerns are baseless, but I'm not going to convince you today, tomorrow, or ever. Agree.... But it's still not marriage... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 I personally hope that it's a no sex wedding...don't want to take the chance that they might be able to reproduce....:P I hope Chrysler has plenty of lubricant, it looks like Daimler all over again....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark B. Morrow Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 (edited) How did it become so easy for one to ridicule, ignore, shove aside, disregard, invalidate, misstate, mislead, and generally laugh at all opponent's concerns and challenges. It happened right about the time Rush Limbaugh became popular. Edited June 2, 2009 by Mark B. Morrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macattak1 Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 2 thoughts get me through these times of declining into a Goddless, Socialist country. #1 It took a Jimmy Carter to get us Ronald Reagan #2 It's in God's hands. Absolutely true! Amen! And I easily admit I don't always fight the good fight the best way I can and that is on me. However, the duplicity is on them. Peace and Blessings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macattak1 Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 GAY PEOPLE ARE SIMPLY PEOPLE. They should be embraced. You can't shield a child from the real world. Eventually they'll find out. Teaching children sex education has always happened in schools. Children aren't going to be turned gay by learning about gay people. This is just silly. Why this constant drivel about hiding children from the real world? No one is saying that. But you keep twisting and misrepresenting and basically now it just comes down to lieing. My kids understand homosexuality as they need to understand it at their age. Apparently you think children are all full of logic and amazing understanding by kindergarten. Thus it is apparent you have no idea about parenting and raising kids. My kids are extremely loving, kind, considerate, etc. If you ask my son's 'how are you?' they will respond 'Well, and you?' because they have been taught manners. They would never ever talk publicly or meanly about someone being gay and if they did and I found out it would never happen a 2nd time. My kids have never hit each other since they were two years old because it is not allowed in our house. Bad words to them up till a year ago were the S words. Stupid, Shut up, and Stop it! Because those are not allowed in my house. You talk nice and be respectful and apologize and ask forgiveness when you do wrong. My house does not need your ideas of teaching them all the crass and disgusting things at so young of an age where they can not comprehend it, resolve it in their own minds, and have no where to go with it. So stop talking myopically about our kids which you know nothing about, yet are ready to make decisions for. And your perception that kids even need to learn about any kind of sexuality or relationships at Kindergarten shows you are knee deep in the agenda. 90% of K-2nd graders do not even need to be taught about race relations because they don't care about the difference, hardly notice the difference, and just don't care about the difference. It is people like you shouting to the kids "look at the difference! You must see, perceive, understand, be taught about the differences" starting in Kindergarten because of your agenda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macattak1 Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 It happened right about the time Rush Limbaugh became popular. Why? Because so many people became numb to his pointing out of the constant liberal attack machine? Peace and Blessings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 (edited) Who was ever talking about teaching homosexuality in Kindergarten? That's crazy. The real world has homosexuals in it. At some point people have to learn that they do and have always existed. At some point people need to learn that differences in sexuality don't matter. AT some point, people have to be taught the same thing about race...because there are people that will teach them otherwise. Edited June 2, 2009 by suv_guy_19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUCKRACER Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Who was ever talking about teaching homosexuality in Kindergarten? That's crazy. The real world has homosexuals in it. At some point people have to learn that they do and have always existed. At some point people need to learn that differences in sexuality don't matter. AT some point, people have to be taught the same thing about race...because there are people that will teach them otherwise. And yet, anyone who disagrees with their views is attacked as some kind of bigot and is subjected to ridicule in the liberal press a la Ms. Prejean. Freedom of speech seems to cut only against conservative views.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joihan777 Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Who was ever talking about teaching homosexuality in Kindergarten? That's crazy. The real world has homosexuals in it. At some point people have to learn that they do and have always existed. At some point people need to learn that differences in sexuality don't matter. AT some point, people have to be taught the same thing about race...because there are people that will teach them otherwise. Suv guy, in San Francisco, a 1ST GRADE CLASS was subjected to a LESBIAN "wedding ceremony." That teacher hasn't been fired. You're only off by one grade man. This is NOT about whether people think homosexuality is wrong or not, it is about one group of citizen's STRIPPING AWAY the rights of parents to decide their own plans to teach their children these lessons. Obviously the children will learn it eventually. I'll even go as far as stating this topic may have a home in a collegiate ethics classroom setting, but no further. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joihan777 Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 (edited) Why this constant drivel about hiding children from the real world? No one is saying that. But you keep twisting and misrepresenting and basically now it just comes down to lieing. My kids understand homosexuality as they need to understand it at their age. Apparently you think children are all full of logic and amazing understanding by kindergarten. Thus it is apparent you have no idea about parenting and raising kids. My kids are extremely loving, kind, considerate, etc. If you ask my son's 'how are you?' they will respond 'Well, and you?' because they have been taught manners. They would never ever talk publicly or meanly about someone being gay and if they did and I found out it would never happen a 2nd time. My kids have never hit each other since they were two years old because it is not allowed in our house. Bad words to them up till a year ago were the S words. Stupid, Shut up, and Stop it! Because those are not allowed in my house. You talk nice and be respectful and apologize and ask forgiveness when you do wrong. My house does not need your ideas of teaching them all the crass and disgusting things at so young of an age where they can not comprehend it, resolve it in their own minds, and have no where to go with it. So stop talking myopically about our kids which you know nothing about, yet are ready to make decisions for. And your perception that kids even need to learn about any kind of sexuality or relationships at Kindergarten shows you are knee deep in the agenda. 90% of K-2nd graders do not even need to be taught about race relations because they don't care about the difference, hardly notice the difference, and just don't care about the difference. It is people like you shouting to the kids "look at the difference! You must see, perceive, understand, be taught about the differences" starting in Kindergarten because of your agenda. macattak you are so right on on this one. My best friend until I was 12 years old was black (I'm hispanic-American). I did not know he was black. Do you know why? It wasn't that he was 'light', he was quite dark-skinned. It was simply because I had NO IDEA there was such a thing as races. I just figured there was a spectrum and he popped out of his mom darker than I did. End of story. For the years that I knew him all we did was play football and Star Wars and GI Joe together. Moronic ideas had no place in our friendship. That was in the deep south. When I came to liberal bastion California, I noticed all my new friends tended to associate by race. My asian friends didn't talk much with my black friends didn't talk much with my white friends yada yada yada. Funny thing is, we had a liberal teacher set at my school. The more you shove an idea in a child's face, the more they dwell on it; whether they are truly prepared to think it out or not. Your point reminded me of that revelation. Parents know best WHEN to educate their children on family values... not some liberal ideologist. Edited June 2, 2009 by joihan777 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mettech Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Who was ever talking about teaching homosexuality in Kindergarten? That's crazy. The real world has homosexuals in it. At some point people have to learn that they do and have always existed. At some point people need to learn that differences in sexuality don't matter. AT some point, people have to be taught the same thing about race...because there are people that will teach them otherwise. Doesn't matter!!? How does a homosexual couple make children? :shades: That is the primary reason for marriage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerM Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Who was ever talking about teaching homosexuality in Kindergarten? The State of Massachusetts. ......The Parkers brought suit against the school when their son, who was five at the time, brought home a book about a family with two parents of the same gender..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkapeGote Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Doesn't matter!!? How does a homosexual couple make children? :shades: That is the primary reason for marriage. Sup, I feel sorry for who ever you marry. lol. No I am kidding. My opinion, why should I care?. I am not sure I am liberal or conservative, I just don't care. That would be like me caring if some couple in Mexico was about to get married, I just don't care. If gay people wanna marry, go for it. Straight people have managed to end 50% of their marriages, why not give homosexuals a shot. I just don't see the big deal. It is not like if gay people get married that the world will stop spinning or the sun will explode, and I am not sure this whole "Wrath of God" fear mongering will happen either. I just heard some dude the other day saying something about how we do not have the right to redefine marriage. Well what right did we have to define it in the first place?. This is how I look at it. Being gay is a lot like what kind of belly button you like. Some people like inny's and some people like outty's. If 2 people are in love I say go for it. Skape Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cocheese Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Straight people have managed to end 50% of their marriages, why not give homosexuals a shot. That number is out of context. The "success" rate of a marriage increases dramatically when certain criteria's are met. As an example. If both the husband and wife are college educated, their chance for staying married greatly improves. If combined, they make more then $60,000 a year, it improves. If they marry before having children, it improves. Basically, the numbers are skewed because of people who jump quickly into marriage before they are ready. The reality is, the success rate of marriage is quite high, as long as you're not a high school drop out living on welfare who knocked your girlfriend up. This is NOT about whether people think homosexuality is wrong or not, it is about one group of citizen's STRIPPING AWAY the rights of parents to decide their own plans to teach their children these lessons. Like I said, it's their agenda. It's not about letting people have their own opinions, it's about forcing their onto everybody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 Suv guy, in San Francisco, a 1ST GRADE CLASS was subjected to a LESBIAN "wedding ceremony." That teacher hasn't been fired.You're only off by one grade man. Yes, and that's mostly wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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