theoldwizard Posted December 5, 2010 Author Share Posted December 5, 2010 UK fuel prices are almost three times the price that US consumers pay, that is a compelling argument for diesel in Europe and conversely, why it has very little chance of gaining a foot hold in low tax USA. People who ave long commutes (75-100 mile/day) appreciate diesel cars ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted December 5, 2010 Share Posted December 5, 2010 People who ave long commutes (75-100 mile/day) appreciate diesel cars ! All I have to say is that your fucking retarded if you drive this every day...and this comes from someone who has a 125 mile drive to work one way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted December 5, 2010 Share Posted December 5, 2010 All I have to say is that your fucking retarded if you drive this every day...and this comes from someone who has a 125 mile drive to work one way I couldn't handle 125 miles each way. I did 105 miles round trip for 7 years, 3-4 days/week, and that was enough for me! You planning to relocate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldwizard Posted December 5, 2010 Author Share Posted December 5, 2010 Smartest thing I ever did was live close to where I worked. Longest commute was about 25 minutes. Shortest, about 5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted December 6, 2010 Share Posted December 6, 2010 You planning to relocate? Of Course! When you get offered a job that offers a nearly a 20% pay raise, better working conditions, a cheaper cost of living and is just under 2 hours from where you currently live from Friends and Family....its a no brainer. I just can't do it right now with the real estate market is in my area...I'm planning on staying in a hotel 4 days a week and then finding a room to rent via Craigslist as a more long term solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted December 6, 2010 Share Posted December 6, 2010 Of Course! When you get offered a job that offers a nearly a 20% pay raise, better working conditions, a cheaper cost of living and is just under 2 hours from where you currently live from Friends and Family....its a no brainer. I just can't do it right now with the real estate market is in my area...I'm planning on staying in a hotel 4 days a week and then finding a room to rent via Craigslist as a more long term solution. Sounds like you may come out on top then! Good luck and hope it works out well for you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldwizard Posted December 6, 2010 Author Share Posted December 6, 2010 (edited) DerricK Kuzak picked up ecoboost and sold it to the US executives convincing them that a 20% fuel economy improvement seemed likely but all of this was done without the Ford NA power train division given the chance to verify the claims. By the time they told management that a lot of work was needed to honour 20% fule economy improvement claims, the advertising people were already touting to the buying public at the NAIAS so Ford could hardly withdraw the claim that Explorer Americana 2.0 I-4 EB would give up to 30% better fuel economy than the existing 4.0 V6. I will add that US emission standards do NOT allow the lean operation that the EcoBoost engine is capable of, so the same engine, in the same vehicle, in the US will always get worse highway mileage. When Kuzak "bought in" to the EcoBoost he was not told (and did not ask) about EU vs US emission/fuel economy test procedures. Edited December 6, 2010 by theoldwizard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted December 6, 2010 Share Posted December 6, 2010 (edited) I will add that US emission standards do NOT allow the lean operation that the EcoBoost engine is capable of, so the same engine, in the same vehicle, in the US will always get worse highway mileage. When Kuzak "bought in" to the EcoBoost he was not told (and did not ask) about EU vs US emission/fuel economy test procedures. Apparently Generation 2 and 3 rely heavily on higher amounts of EGR under lean boost to allow even more power, it's as though they are trying to ape a much larger naturally aspirated engine and its leaner part throttle mixtures whilst using a kind of miller cycle at really light throttle to make the 2.0 EB engine into a kind of boosted 1.6....the kind of thing impossible with DI ultra lean cycle in atmo engines like GM's SIDI 2.4, 3.0 and 3.6 engines - don't know if I'm describing properly... There are certainly fuel economy gains to be had with small Ecoboost, that's for sure but I wonder about this: Most US buyers will be thrilled to bits with an Explorer getting 20% better gas mileage and good performance from the 3.5 V6, how much better would Ecoboost have been received if it was capable of that 20% economy improvement but with incredible performance to boot? Maybe I'm a little off target but I feel the desire for ultimate fuel economy is not there with US buyers, they still want some economy, that true but the EB option needs to have a performance edge over the standard engine. IMO EB 2.0 and 1.6 are perfect for Europe and Focus Fiesta, but I feel an EB 2.7 V6 would be ideal for larger vehicles like Edge, Fusion , Explorer, Taurus where the engine would give economy and power. Edited December 6, 2010 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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