dividedwebeg Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Assembly Plant Product AAI Will balance out of Mazda 6 production. A new fl exible assembly system to provide a second source for the next Generation Fusion (which is currently built exclusively in Mexico) will be installed and a second shift added. The plant also will receive the next generation Mustang. Total plant investment is $555M. Chicago Assembly Will continue with Explorer and Taurus, including adding a third shift of production and insourcing the police vehicles. Investment in the plant is $117M. Dearborn Truck The next generation of the industry leading F-Series truck will continue at DTP after $359M investment. Kansas City Assembly Plant The Kansas City Assembly plant will grow with the North American introduction of the Transit Commercial Van, being insourced from Europe. To support the growth, an integrated stamping plant is being added to the site. A second shift of F-series production is being added in 2012, and the next generation F-Series is awarded to the plant. Total investment on the site is over $1B. Kentucky Truck Enabling Ford’s Truck Leadership position is execution of the next generation Super Duty Truck and continuation of the Expedition and Navigator. The investment of $621M includes adding a press line. Louisville Assembly The launch of the all new Escape in 2012 will be followed by the introduction of an exciting new product. The popularity of the Escape and the addition of a new product will require a third shift of production. Total plant investment is $639M. Michigan Assembly Ford’s growth in the small car segment continues with the Focus Battery Electric Vehicle. The high mileage C-Max is being insourced from Europe and will feature both hybrid and plug-in hybrid powerpacks. As the ever-popular Focus continues, a third shift of production is being added to meet market demand. Total investment of $297M Ohio Assembly The commercial vehicle portfolio is enabled by the insourcing of the Medium Truck and the frame assembly from Mexico, along with the insourcing of the Motorhome Chassis. The E-Series cutaway rounds out the line-up. Total plant investment of $128M. Twin Cities As previously announced, the Twin Cities Assembly plant will close with the balance out of the Ranger at the end of 2011. Work in-sourced from Mexico, China and Japan $16 billion in investment and new products Your negotiating team has consistently heard our members demanding more job security because members understand that without product for our plants, our futures are not secure. Th is tentative agreement adds another 5,750 jobs. Th ese new UAW jobs mean more than 12,000 new jobs in total with jobs previously announced by Ford. Many of these jobs will be added by the end of 2012, and all will be added during the term of the new contract. Th ese new jobs will be added to communities across America where people have been struggling to recover from our nation’s economic turmoil. Th e UAW Ford proposed agreement also includes $16 billion of investment to produce new models and upgraded vehicles and components by 2015, of which, $6.3 billion will be invested directly into retooling and upgrading plants. Many of the product commitments in this agreement are from vehicle manufacturing re-sourced or in-sourced directly from other countries, including China, Japan and Mexico. Just as important as the investment commitment is new contract language that gives our members a better chance of competing for work with outside suppliers. Th e new language, which will be closely monitored by the UAW Ford Department’s new Advanced Manufacturing and Sourcing team, strengthens our ability to compete for existing and new work. Your negotiators also insisted and won agreement that the current moratorium on outsourcing of work from Ford facilities be extended for the life of this proposed agreement. Th e following chart details the new product and plant investment that was secured in this tentative agreement. FORD HOURLY WORKERS 3 Powertrain Plant Product Dearborn Engine Plant In support of Ford’s leadership in fuel economy initiatives, incremental capacity will be added to the plant for the 2.0L I4 engine. The idled side of the plant will be reopened to add the newly insourced F-Series Vehicle Personalization Center as part of the $130M investment. Cleveland Engine Site The plant is awarded a new fl exible small displacement engine assembly line. The good news at the site continues with the announcement that a third shift of production is being added for the Duratec 3.5L/3.7L V6 engines. Total investment on the site is $278M. The 3.0L Duratec engine balances out at Cleveland Plant 2 after a solid 18 year run. Lima Engine Plant The popular Duratec 3.5/3.7L V6 continues and a new industry leading small V6 will be added to the plant at an investment of $400M. Romeo Engine Plant Truck leadership is requiring the continuation of the 6.2L V8, a key engine in Ford’struck lineup. The 5.4L Supercharged engine gets upgraded to a 5.8L. The machining of 5.0L blocks continues and 5.0L connecting rod machining is introduced. The 4.6L balances out after a very successful life cycle. Total investment is $50M. Livonia Transmission The 6R product lineup continues with a substantial capacity increase, while the 4R line balances out. Plant investment is $192M. Sharonville Transmission The Gear Center of Excellence sees plenty of growth as the 6F, 6F-mid and 6R all have increasing demand. The 6R140 transmission continues, and insources an application for the Medium Truck. Plant investment is $220M. The FN gears and the 5R110 balance out. Van Dyke Transmission The HF35 transmission, insourced from Japan, is the fi rst hybrid transmission produced at Ford. The 6F-mid and the 6F both will experience a capacity increase, and two new applications of the 6F-mid will be insourced. Total investment of $220M. Rawsonville The balance out of starters and coils enables the transformation of Rawsonville by the insourcing of several products, including the 6R140 oil pump from China, the HEV battery pack from Mexico, HF35 Kitting, and sequencing for MAP and DTP. The continuation of the existing 6F35/50 Kitting, Carbon Can/Air Induction Assembly is included in the $53M investment. Sterling The growth of Sterling business includes introduction of the rear drive unit used in the Edge, Escape, Fusion, MKZ, Flex, MKT and global products such as Kuga and Eco-Sport. The in-sourcing of the Transit axle assembly and gear manufacturing, subsequent Rear Drive Unit capacity increase, and F-150 E-Locker Differential Assembly provide incremental growth. The F-150, Super Duty, Mustang, Expedition and Navigator axles continue, the Ranger axle balances out. Total investment of $141M. Woodhaven Forge Woodhaven Forge is awarded the crankshaft for the small displacement V6 engine, and will continue to forge their current line-up of 3.5L/3.7/5.4L/6.8L cranks up to their max capacity. Total investment of $4M. 4 FORD HOURLY WORKERS Stamping Plant Product Buffalo Stamping In addition to the continuation of the Edge, MKX, Flex, and MKT stampings, the plant will receive incremental stampings in support of future product programs. A new Blanking line will also be installed, for a total investment of $136M. Chicago Stamping The stampings for the Taurus and Explorer continues. Incremental stampings will also be sourced to the plant. Total Investment of $86M. Dearborn Stamping/ Dearborn Diversifi ed Products The two Rouge plants will be vibrant and growing as they get an infl ux of new equipment, which includes four new press lines, three new blankers, and four new Hydroform lines with two new presses. This new equipment will be used to add incremental stampings and hydroforming to support the next generation F-Series. Total investment of $484M. Walton Hill Stamping The Walton Hills Stamping plant closes. Woodhaven Stamping The current F-Series, Expedition and Navigator stampings continue. I would ask my brothers and sisters at plants that have all of the job security now to support this agreement so we can also enjoy knowing our job will be there for us in the future. There are 20,000 of us that need this investment in our plants. Thank you UAW AAI is buzzing with happiness. Everyone here is excited and if any news media comes to AAI everyone of us will state how blessed we truly are here with this new investment 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4Real? Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Assembly Plant Product AAI Will balance out of Mazda 6 production. A new fl exible assembly system to provide a second source for the next Generation Fusion (which is currently built exclusively in Mexico) will be installed and a second shift added. The plant also will receive the next generation Mustang. Total plant investment is $555M. Chicago Assembly Will continue with Explorer and Taurus, including adding a third shift of production and insourcing the police vehicles. Investment in the plant is $117M. Dearborn Truck The next generation of the industry leading F-Series truck will continue at DTP after $359M investment. Kansas City Assembly Plant The Kansas City Assembly plant will grow with the North American introduction of the Transit Commercial Van, being insourced from Europe. To support the growth, an integrated stamping plant is being added to the site. A second shift of F-series production is being added in 2012, and the next generation F-Series is awarded to the plant. Total investment on the site is over $1B. Kentucky Truck Enabling Ford’s Truck Leadership position is execution of the next generation Super Duty Truck and continuation of the Expedition and Navigator. The investment of $621M includes adding a press line. Louisville Assembly The launch of the all new Escape in 2012 will be followed by the introduction of an exciting new product. The popularity of the Escape and the addition of a new product will require a third shift of production. Total plant investment is $639M. Michigan Assembly Ford’s growth in the small car segment continues with the Focus Battery Electric Vehicle. The high mileage C-Max is being insourced from Europe and will feature both hybrid and plug-in hybrid powerpacks. As the ever-popular Focus continues, a third shift of production is being added to meet market demand. Total investment of $297M Ohio Assembly The commercial vehicle portfolio is enabled by the insourcing of the Medium Truck and the frame assembly from Mexico, along with the insourcing of the Motorhome Chassis. The E-Series cutaway rounds out the line-up. Total plant investment of $128M. Twin Cities As previously announced, the Twin Cities Assembly plant will close with the balance out of the Ranger at the end of 2011. Work in-sourced from Mexico, China and Japan $16 billion in investment and new products Your negotiating team has consistently heard our members demanding more job security because members understand that without product for our plants, our futures are not secure. Th is tentative agreement adds another 5,750 jobs. Th ese new UAW jobs mean more than 12,000 new jobs in total with jobs previously announced by Ford. Many of these jobs will be added by the end of 2012, and all will be added during the term of the new contract. Th ese new jobs will be added to communities across America where people have been struggling to recover from our nation’s economic turmoil. Th e UAW Ford proposed agreement also includes $16 billion of investment to produce new models and upgraded vehicles and components by 2015, of which, $6.3 billion will be invested directly into retooling and upgrading plants. Many of the product commitments in this agreement are from vehicle manufacturing re-sourced or in-sourced directly from other countries, including China, Japan and Mexico. Just as important as the investment commitment is new contract language that gives our members a better chance of competing for work with outside suppliers. Th e new language, which will be closely monitored by the UAW Ford Department’s new Advanced Manufacturing and Sourcing team, strengthens our ability to compete for existing and new work. Your negotiators also insisted and won agreement that the current moratorium on outsourcing of work from Ford facilities be extended for the life of this proposed agreement. Th e following chart details the new product and plant investment that was secured in this tentative agreement. FORD HOURLY WORKERS 3 Powertrain Plant Product Dearborn Engine Plant In support of Ford’s leadership in fuel economy initiatives, incremental capacity will be added to the plant for the 2.0L I4 engine. The idled side of the plant will be reopened to add the newly insourced F-Series Vehicle Personalization Center as part of the $130M investment. Cleveland Engine Site The plant is awarded a new fl exible small displacement engine assembly line. The good news at the site continues with the announcement that a third shift of production is being added for the Duratec 3.5L/3.7L V6 engines. Total investment on the site is $278M. The 3.0L Duratec engine balances out at Cleveland Plant 2 after a solid 18 year run. Lima Engine Plant The popular Duratec 3.5/3.7L V6 continues and a new industry leading small V6 will be added to the plant at an investment of $400M. Romeo Engine Plant Truck leadership is requiring the continuation of the 6.2L V8, a key engine in Ford’struck lineup. The 5.4L Supercharged engine gets upgraded to a 5.8L. The machining of 5.0L blocks continues and 5.0L connecting rod machining is introduced. The 4.6L balances out after a very successful life cycle. Total investment is $50M. Livonia Transmission The 6R product lineup continues with a substantial capacity increase, while the 4R line balances out. Plant investment is $192M. Sharonville Transmission The Gear Center of Excellence sees plenty of growth as the 6F, 6F-mid and 6R all have increasing demand. The 6R140 transmission continues, and insources an application for the Medium Truck. Plant investment is $220M. The FN gears and the 5R110 balance out. Van Dyke Transmission The HF35 transmission, insourced from Japan, is the fi rst hybrid transmission produced at Ford. The 6F-mid and the 6F both will experience a capacity increase, and two new applications of the 6F-mid will be insourced. Total investment of $220M. Rawsonville The balance out of starters and coils enables the transformation of Rawsonville by the insourcing of several products, including the 6R140 oil pump from China, the HEV battery pack from Mexico, HF35 Kitting, and sequencing for MAP and DTP. The continuation of the existing 6F35/50 Kitting, Carbon Can/Air Induction Assembly is included in the $53M investment. Sterling The growth of Sterling business includes introduction of the rear drive unit used in the Edge, Escape, Fusion, MKZ, Flex, MKT and global products such as Kuga and Eco-Sport. The in-sourcing of the Transit axle assembly and gear manufacturing, subsequent Rear Drive Unit capacity increase, and F-150 E-Locker Differential Assembly provide incremental growth. The F-150, Super Duty, Mustang, Expedition and Navigator axles continue, the Ranger axle balances out. Total investment of $141M. Woodhaven Forge Woodhaven Forge is awarded the crankshaft for the small displacement V6 engine, and will continue to forge their current line-up of 3.5L/3.7/5.4L/6.8L cranks up to their max capacity. Total investment of $4M. 4 FORD HOURLY WORKERS Stamping Plant Product Buffalo Stamping In addition to the continuation of the Edge, MKX, Flex, and MKT stampings, the plant will receive incremental stampings in support of future product programs. A new Blanking line will also be installed, for a total investment of $136M. Chicago Stamping The stampings for the Taurus and Explorer continues. Incremental stampings will also be sourced to the plant. Total Investment of $86M. Dearborn Stamping/ Dearborn Diversifi ed Products The two Rouge plants will be vibrant and growing as they get an infl ux of new equipment, which includes four new press lines, three new blankers, and four new Hydroform lines with two new presses. This new equipment will be used to add incremental stampings and hydroforming to support the next generation F-Series. Total investment of $484M. Walton Hill Stamping The Walton Hills Stamping plant closes. Woodhaven Stamping The current F-Series, Expedition and Navigator stampings continue. I would ask my brothers and sisters at plants that have all of the job security now to support this agreement so we can also enjoy knowing our job will be there for us in the future. There are 20,000 of us that need this investment in our plants. Thank you UAW AAI is buzzing with happiness. Everyone here is excited and if any news media comes to AAI everyone of us will state how blessed we truly are here with this new investment You would either have to be mentally retarded or a fucked up ass clown to vote no on this contract. And I apologize in advance to anyone who knows mentally retarded individuals because I understand they are a lot smarter than the fucked up ass clowns who claim they are voting no. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnm Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 I work at walton hills so I think you can assume we are all no's here. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiredMotorCompany Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 I would ask my brothers and sisters at plants that have all of the job security now to support this agreement so we can also enjoy knowing our job will be there for us in the future. There are 20,000 of us that need this investment in our plants. Thank you UAW AAI is buzzing with happiness. Everyone here is excited and if any news media comes to AAI everyone of us will state how blessed we truly are here with this new investment Just remember those at WHSP that you'll be leaving twisting in the breeze, when you fall on you knees to the IUAW for YOUR job security. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dividedwebeg Posted October 5, 2011 Author Share Posted October 5, 2011 Just remember those at WHSP that you'll be leaving twisting in the breeze, when you fall on you knees to the IUAW for YOUR job security. I dont blame the UAW for the economic turmoil we have suffered since 2007. Those in Ohio may want to recall those republicans they voted in as to why the UAW could not stop Ford from closing Walton Start with kasich 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatso Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 (edited) I know that amount of investment is 'out of this world' a billion dollars for KCAP!I am gonna be a good union guy and vote whats in the common best interest keeping in mind that Ford does not have to invest in anything.Now as far as my local agreement I make no promises.What the A BILLION DOLLARS!I cant get a roll of tape here at DTP.I would be happy to get 10% mid-night premium and if they replaced the bathroom fixtures and painted the bathrooms{ dont laugh you can sick from a communal filthy bathroom} but A BILLION DOLLARS!You guys might just help me out one day,meantime SIC EM.Im a yes.I aint jealous because the Detroit Lions beat the Chiefs! Edited October 5, 2011 by Fatso 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiredMotorCompany Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 I dont blame the UAW for the economic turmoil we have suffered since 2007. Those in Ohio may want to recall those republicans they voted in as to why the UAW could not stop Ford from closing Walton Start with kasich The refusal to fulfill the contractual commitments in the 2007/2009 contract had nothing to do with Kasich. It had to do with the union not pushing the company to abide by their obligations. Wish I could treat my mortgage loan bank the same way. I have a 30 year mortgage I am required to accommodate, not just a 4/2 year contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
econolineman Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 I dont blame the UAW for the economic turmoil we have suffered since 2007. Those in Ohio may want to recall those republicans they voted in as to why the UAW could not stop Ford from closing Walton Start with kasich ehh, I don't know about this..... Walton Hills was tied pretty heavily to the Econoline. The Econoline is dead in a few years. That's probably where the bulk of that decision was. Not saying it's cool. I hate to see any plant close.....I've been a part of one. What else do they stamp at WH? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFA Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 It looks like alot of "new work" coming to these plants you list. At Rawsonville, all the items listed are already in motion...nothing new to us. Question is??? how many other plants are like this, where the work listed is already happening and not really news in the contract but put in there to look like they just negotiated it??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dividedwebeg Posted October 5, 2011 Author Share Posted October 5, 2011 It looks like alot of "new work" coming to these plants you list. At Rawsonville, all the items listed are already in motion...nothing new to us. Question is??? how many other plants are like this, where the work listed is already happening and not really news in the contract but put in there to look like they just negotiated it??? Well AAI and OHAP were on the chopping block so the UAW saved us......... As far as the rest, 6 billion is a hell of a good job of bargaining for our job security Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAP89 Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Well AAI and OHAP were on the chopping block so the UAW saved us......... As far as the rest, 6 billion is a hell of a good job of bargaining for our job security I thought OHAP was already promised a new product in the 2007 contract and 2009 concessions. Maybe I am not remembering right. If so correct me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dividedwebeg Posted October 5, 2011 Author Share Posted October 5, 2011 I thought OHAP was already promised a new product in the 2007 contract and 2009 concessions. Maybe I am not remembering right. If so correct me. AAI and OHAP were to get products in the October modification that was turned down. AAI and OHAP were in dire need of product. I am not a pro on the matter but i thought OHAP was committed product until 2013 and then new product would be identified. We were on the chopping block and the IUAW saved us bottom line. AAI is a happy place again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiredMotorCompany Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 I thought OHAP was already promised a new product in the 2007 contract and 2009 concessions. Maybe I am not remembering right. If so correct me. You remember correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
econolineman Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 I thought OHAP was already promised a new product in the 2007 contract and 2009 concessions. Maybe I am not remembering right. If so correct me. I'm wondering what the employment level is going to be at OHAP. 2 shifts and 1800 people to build heavy trucks and motorhome frames? :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiredMotorCompany Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 I'm wondering what the employment level is going to be at OHAP. 2 shifts and 1800 people to build heavy trucks and motorhome frames? :unsure: Where is the work being pulled from? What's their production rate? Who is losing what OHAP is gaining? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
econolineman Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Where is the work being pulled from? What's their production rate? Who is losing what OHAP is gaining? Mexico....I can't find any numbers. Wiki list of all the plants doesn't specify any employment numbers for the Mexican plants. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ford_factories Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharp Shooter Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 AAI and OHAP were to get products in the October modification that was turned down. AAI and OHAP were in dire need of product. I am not a pro on the matter but i thought OHAP was committed product until 2013 and then new product would be identified. We were on the chopping block and the IUAW saved us bottom line. AAI is a happy place again. No doubt the negotiators did a great job of getting product commitments and job security! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truthplease Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 This is not a good deal for OHAP there taking out a high demand high volume product and bring in a low demand low volume product. Ford will hire its cheap work force then lay off half if not more of us at OHAP. Cheap labor in fair pay out Win Win for the company Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Empire Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 No doubt the negotiators did a great job of getting product commitments and job security! Very proactive agreement. Good Job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
econolineman Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 This is not a good deal for OHAP there taking out a high demand high volume product and bring in a low demand low volume product. This is what I think too. I've tried to envision a positive, but I just cannot see how the heavy truck/chassis can ever carry the employment capacity that the Econoline carried. I'm waiting to hear more though..... :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raws41900 Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 I think retarded is anyone who thinks the company was "forced" to do this by the union and didnt already have the idea of doing all or atleast most of this anyway. Also, if we voted no, do you really think all this "new" work is just going to be taken off the table? fuck no it isnt. follow $IUAW$ and $FORD$ blindly all you want, their in bed together to get the best deal for them, NOT YOU. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHO_Driver Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 I think retarded is anyone who thinks the company was "forced" to do this by the union and didnt already have the idea of doing all or atleast most of this anyway. Also, if we voted no, do you really think all this "new" work is just going to be taken off the table? fuck no it isnt. follow $IUAW$ and $FORD$ blindly all you want, their in bed together to get the best deal for them, NOT YOU. Hell yes, I think they'll pull the new work if the contract is voted down. What the hell - you think they don't make contingency plans? You don't think the cost of our labor isn't a BIG factor is determining whether new work comes our way? Send the contract back to the table, jack up the costs even a cunt hair, and Hell yea, I think we risk losing that investment. Keep in mind that raising the wages of the Tier Two was the main goal in these negotiations. Looks like they accomplished that. And keep in mind that this contract may be a pig, but the rank-and-file at GM already voted for it. What happened afterward? S&P UPGRADED GM's debt rating, making it CHEAPER for GM to borrow money, to finance model change overs, etc. Ford already has higher costs than GM and is still paying off the debt from Bill Ford & Alan Mullaly mortgaging the company to the max. You want the contract rejected and sent back to the table? For what? Maybe 25 cents an hour? If even that? And then what? S&P downgrades Ford's bonds, making it more expensive to borrow money? What about Ford's stock? It's already lower than GM, just because GM wiped the slate clean with a C11 bankruptcy. And all the good will Ford built up, by not sucking on the public teat - want to flush that all down the crapper? Is that your "genius" plan? Make people who already hate us, but suck it up and buy Ford anyway want to go give their business to Toyota & Honda? Again, for what? 25 cents an hour? No way, Jose. I'm a yes vote. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharp Shooter Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Hell yes, I think they'll pull the new work if the contract is voted down. What the hell - you think they don't make contingency plans? You don't think the cost of our labor isn't a BIG factor is determining whether new work comes our way? Send the contract back to the table, jack up the costs even a cunt hair, and Hell yea, I think we risk losing that investment. Keep in mind that raising the wages of the Tier Two was the main goal in these negotiations. Looks like they accomplished that. And keep in mind that this contract may be a pig, but the rank-and-file at GM already voted for it. What happened afterward? S&P UPGRADED GM's debt rating, making it CHEAPER for GM to borrow money, to finance model change overs, etc. Ford already has higher costs than GM and is still paying off the debt from Bill Ford & Alan Mullaly mortgaging the company to the max. You want the contract rejected and sent back to the table? For what? Maybe 25 cents an hour? If even that? And then what? S&P downgrades Ford's bonds, making it more expensive to borrow money? What about Ford's stock? It's already lower than GM, just because GM wiped the slate clean with a C11 bankruptcy. And all the good will Ford built up, by not sucking on the public teat - want to flush that all down the crapper? Is that your "genius" plan? Make people who already hate us, but suck it up and buy Ford anyway want to go give their business to Toyota & Honda? Again, for what? 25 cents an hour? No way, Jose. I'm a yes vote. It will be very easy for the Company to invest somewhere else if the contract is voted down. And I expect that some of it will be gone--especially the work coming in from Mexico, China and Japan. So, AAI, REP, Rawsonville and others, kiss your work goodbye if it isn't ratified. That would definitely mean Romeo Engine and Rawsonville closed and probably AAI closed. It would hit other plants that supply them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raws41900 Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 (edited) Hell yes, I think they'll pull the new work if the contract is voted down. What the hell - you think they don't make contingency plans? You don't think the cost of our labor isn't a BIG factor is determining whether new work comes our way? Send the contract back to the table, jack up the costs even a cunt hair, and Hell yea, I think we risk losing that investment. Keep in mind that raising the wages of the Tier Two was the main goal in these negotiations. Looks like they accomplished that. And keep in mind that this contract may be a pig, but the rank-and-file at GM already voted for it. What happened afterward? S&P UPGRADED GM's debt rating, making it CHEAPER for GM to borrow money, to finance model change overs, etc. Ford already has higher costs than GM and is still paying off the debt from Bill Ford & Alan Mullaly mortgaging the company to the max. You want the contract rejected and sent back to the table? For what? Maybe 25 cents an hour? If even that? And then what? S&P downgrades Ford's bonds, making it more expensive to borrow money? What about Ford's stock? It's already lower than GM, just because GM wiped the slate clean with a C11 bankruptcy. And all the good will Ford built up, by not sucking on the public teat - want to flush that all down the crapper? Is that your "genius" plan? Make people who already hate us, but suck it up and buy Ford anyway want to go give their business to Toyota & Honda? Again, for what? 25 cents an hour? No way, Jose. I'm a yes vote. Nice scare tactic, how's that $IUAW$ job working out for ya? sure you'll get a nice raise or bonus again when this is passed wont ya? Edited October 5, 2011 by Raws41900 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheetMetalJoe Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 It looks like alot of "new work" coming to these plants you list. At Rawsonville, all the items listed are already in motion...nothing new to us. Question is??? how many other plants are like this, where the work listed is already happening and not really news in the contract but put in there to look like they just negotiated it??? Livonia is just as you described.... Nothing new, just money already spent... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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