Edstock Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 Hopefully Ford will make the MKS available with the same beefed up chassis as MKT...both the MKT and MKS can enjoy a good following from the livery business utilizing the Town Car name directed squarely at the limousine/livery market.....MKT Town Car can have MKS Town Car as a stable mate... That sure is UGLY! Barfarama! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 That sure is UGLY! Barfarama! Ed....most all extreme stretch limos look ugly or weird due to proportions being "off"...however, if Ford wants to retain supremacy in the limo/livery market, they need to ensure that both MKS and MKT has all the beefed up enhancements needed to serve this segment....there will be some, as described in the article that don't care for the style of MKT....thats ok.....got a nice MKS with all the same uprated equipment since they share the same basic architecture.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 Ed....most all extreme stretch limos look ugly or weird due to proportions being "off"...however, if Ford wants to retain supremacy in the limo/livery market, they need to ensure that both MKS and MKT has all the beefed up enhancements needed to serve this segment....there will be some, as described in the article that don't care for the style of MKT....thats ok.....got a nice MKS with all the same uprated equipment since they share the same basic architecture.... If I were overseeing the rebuilding of Lincoln, I wouldn't waste my energy or resources on maintaining supremacy. It's a side business. The focus should be on consumer retail sales. You don't see BMW, M-B, Audi, or Lexus concentrating on the livery business. If Lincoln wants to be in that conversation, they shouldn't either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 If I were overseeing the rebuilding of Lincoln, I wouldn't waste my energy or resources on maintaining supremacy. It's a side business. The focus should be on consumer retail sales. You don't see BMW, M-B, Audi, or Lexus concentrating on the livery business. If Lincoln wants to be in that conversation, they shouldn't either. We disagree.....You could use the same idiom for the reason Ford should not reach out to the taxi operators, or ambulance builders ,or airport fleet operations.....just because it isn't part of the "retail" equation, does not mean it is insignificant.....Ford needs to address those concerns (and they do)...not overlook them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 We disagree.....You could use the same idiom for the reason Ford should not reach out to the taxi operators, or ambulance builders ,or airport fleet operations.....just because it isn't part of the "retail" equation, does not mean it is insignificant.....Ford needs to address those concerns (and they do)...not overlook them. Ok. We disagree. I just don't see it as a top of the list issue for Lincoln. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss444 Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 Ok. We disagree. I just don't see it as a top of the list issue for Lincoln. You're right. That should be the last thing Lincoln should be focusing on. Get your retail customers back before you worry about low volume fleet sales. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 (edited) Ok. We disagree. I just don't see it as a top of the list issue for Lincoln. Not a "top issue"...but an issue that needs to be addressed just the same. Edited November 20, 2011 by twintornados Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 Not a "top issue"...but an issue that needs to be addressed just the same. I will agree that once the big issues are addressed, they can turn to the livery market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 I will agree that once the big issues are addressed, they can turn to the livery market. What Ford can do in the "here and now" is add an "L" version to the MKS....a six inch stretch at the rear door very similar to what Ford did to Town Car and Crown Victoria taxi units would bode very well in the livery/black car market. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 What Ford can do in the "here and now" is add an "L" version to the MKS....a six inch stretch at the rear door very similar to what Ford did to Town Car and Crown Victoria taxi units would bode very well in the livery/black car market. BUT, would the costs associated to make these changes to the MKS, which will likely move onto a completely different platform in 2 years, be able to be ammortized? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 What Ford can do in the "here and now" is add an "L" version to the MKS....a six inch stretch at the rear door very similar to what Ford did to Town Car and Crown Victoria taxi units would bode very well in the livery/black car market. Not worth the investment at this point in time IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Rosadini Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 Yeah, but, the stretch market is mainly 20-30-somethings partying their faces off, puking through the sunroof and exposing themselves for the edification of onlookers. I am sure that the "black fleets" will latch onto the MKT and S in their non-stretch versions, anyway. Lincoln will be 100 years old in 2017. It can get along just fine without the pukemobiles. Patience, Grasshopper, patience. No argument on the stretch "pukemobiles"- I think the issue is the black car business. The interview I saw was with the owner of what I gathered was a "black car" fleet-at least that was what was in the background. This guy was adamant that he was going "elsewhere". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted November 20, 2011 Author Share Posted November 20, 2011 Hopefully Ford will make the MKS available with the same beefed up chassis as MKT...both the MKT and MKS can enjoy a good following from the livery business utilizing the Town Car name directed squarely at the limousine/livery market.....MKT Town Car can have MKS Town Car as a stable mate... This actually looks surprisingly good, I've never seen an MKS stretch limo before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 This guy was adamant that he was going "elsewhere". He'll be back. Chrysler & GM coachwork is atrocious. Can you imagine a stretched Malibu (AKA XTS) standing up to 70,000 miles of NYC streets in a year? Or a 300? MKT is built like a tank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 You don't see BMW, M-B, Audi, or Lexus concentrating on the livery business. They do in their home markets: http://mbworld.org/forums/e-class-w212/363677-e-class-taxi.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted November 20, 2011 Author Share Posted November 20, 2011 I can't think of ANY vehicle better suited to the Limo form factor than the MKT, it's absolutely perfect! How it looks is another matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomcat68 Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 I can't think of ANY vehicle better suited to the Limo form factor than the MKT, it's absolutely perfect! How it looks is another matter. Agree. The MkT is perfect for business fleets. But the stretch limo should also be the Navigator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 They do in their home markets: http://mbworld.org/forums/e-class-w212/363677-e-class-taxi.html You don't see them here though do you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 I can't think of ANY vehicle better suited to the Limo form factor than the MKT, it's absolutely perfect! How it looks is another matter. Stretching an MKS is absurd. The MKT works much better. However, Chrysler 300's look even better as stretch limos. For the volume and the damage to the brand, this is an end of the business Ford can well do without. Offer a stretch Flex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 You don't see them here though do you? Of course, this is Lincoln's home market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 Of course, this is Lincoln's home market. Sorry, I'm not convinced it's a segment of the market Ford needs be concerned with right now. The offer the MKT Town Car. That should be it until Lincoln's rebuilding has progressed further. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 This actually looks surprisingly good, I've never seen an MKS stretch limo before. I agree....one nice "extra" is that this 100" stretch MKS is also all wheel drive! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 The offer the MKT Town Car. AFAIK that's all they've got planned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 AFAIK that's all they've got planned Good. There have been posts about also offering an MKS "L" as another livery vehicle. My posts have been in response to that idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 Good. There have been posts about also offering an MKS "L" as another livery vehicle. My posts have been in response to that idea. Yeah. That's not going to happen. The MKT is more commodious as is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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