lfeg Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 Deanh and Fordtech1 have summed it up. They see the happy customers and those with problems. And they are right, the happy ones do not complain, they just live life and drive. The whole CMax EPA label issue is an unpleasant one that should not have happened, but if most owners have no complaint is it really a real world issue or just more internet blowviating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 Deanh and Fordtech1 have summed it up. They see the happy customers and those with problems. And they are right, the happy ones do not complain, they just live life and drive. The whole CMax EPA label issue is an unpleasant one that should not have happened, but if most owners have no complaint is it really a real world issue or just more internet blowviating. literally the only complaint I hear are about MFT and Sync, which can be quirky, and sometimes the complaints are justified, sometimes I also find out the inherant laziness of consumers to open the owners manual..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBFlex Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 No, your statement is baseless conjecture. You've said "because Ford did legal activity A, they must have performed illegal activity B." One does not follow from the other, either factually or logically. If you knew what I was referring to, you would clearly see that it is not baseless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerLS Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 If you knew what I was referring to, you would clearly see that it is not baseless. Then enlighten me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 (edited) He thinks that Ford faked the Fusion test numbers because reported mileage on the EPA website diverges from the published rates, despite this occurring for just about every vehicle on the planet. And, in fact, he can't 'enlighten you' because he cannot prove to my satisfaction that the Fusion hybrid exists, therefore I will delete his posts on the subject. Edited August 24, 2013 by RichardJensen 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBFlex Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 Then enlighten me. I have been forbidden from doing that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 (edited) That small vocal minority opened up a can of whoop ass on Ford. Ford admitted they used questionable methods to achieve the sticker and the EPA tested them to find the car was 6mpg short. My assumptions were right early on. Case closed. That's not what I challenged you on, here is your statement, Quote chevys, on 19 Aug 2013 - 21:20, said: The entire argument of the Cmax started with why the vast majority could not reach the mileage numbers published by Ford Prove to me that the vast majority of C-Max owners could not reach the mileage published by Ford. Ford lowering its stated mileage in no way diminishes the the acceptance of C-max by the majority of happy customers. Edited August 24, 2013 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBFlex Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 That's not what I challenged you on, here is your statement, Prove to me that the vast majority of C-Max owners could not reach the mileage published by Ford. Ford lowering its stated mileage in no way diminishes the the acceptance of C-max by the majority of happy customers. In other words, there is no possible way that an owner could be happy with 42 MPG? or 44 MPG? Or 39 MPG? I have family members that would see a MASSIVE improvement if the Cmax only got 35 MPG. They would be so damn happy with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 (edited) In other words...... Not valid to the point at hand. One owner does not speak to the majority of buyers. Edited August 24, 2013 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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