Decker Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 (edited) That comment was made while I was still at work and did not then know the guys age. Not until he made his doughnuts thread. Never insulted the guy again. But I'm 38 and bored . I'll mail u a map to my front door. I was trying to convince people one way, him the other. Plants aren't a great environment for the elderly. I know so many people who didn't last too long after retirement. I'm fairly certain these plants with all the foreign box dust and abestos is very dangerous for everyone working but MAP is old and the old Wayne Assembly Plant, which has stood empty for the last 5 years, so excuse me for wanting to lock down a product ASAP. This ain't the last freakin' contract ever and nowadays the world is so freaking crazy, the world could change overnight from a single event. 8 years to max out was wrong but it was a hell of a lot better for them since the current one passed. Thank Bobby K. for allowing the tier system to begin with. Dude was spineless. Most my friends at work are second tier. My best friend is second tier. All yes votes. The new hires here understood that they have time and more contracts to iron out. Time for work. Later. No insult taken JS, I too feel the stress of all this shit that`s going on, I think you can see it in some of my posts and responses. No need to be excused for wanting to lock down new product for you and our sisters and brother in Detroit. That is what unionism is about. Yes`s or No`s, old or young, legacy, trades or not we all have something at steak. We will work this out. But.... knock off the elderly shit... Edited November 20, 2015 by Decker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caustic Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 When they come back with essentially the same contract are you changing your vote? If not and others aren't, then what choice is there? We'll have to wait and see if it's the same or not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caustic Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 No insult taken JS, I too feel the stress of all this shit that`s going on, I think you can see it in some of my posts and responses. No need to be excused for wanting to lock down new product for you and our sisters and brother in Detroit. That is what unionism is about. Yes`s or No`s, old or young, legacy, trades or not we all have something at steak. We will work this out. But.... knock off the elderly shit... Anyone else see Decker as Walter Matthau in Grumpy Old Men? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlecountry Posted November 20, 2015 Author Share Posted November 20, 2015 When they come back with essentially the same contract are you changing your vote? If not and others aren't, then what choice is there? http://smallbusiness.chron.com/open-taco-stand-11603.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superjake Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 Vote it down there won't be a strike! Get real! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superjake Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 UAW and ford are one in the same! Vote no!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superjake Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 You know the title says it all! "Gotta be a yes vote" no it doesn't! I am a member and I vote no, screw you and your gotta do something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powerhousejc Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 We'll have to wait and see if it's the same or not. What do you see happening? What do the other no votes expect? If I believed even an ounce that they would offer a seriously better deal then I would have voted no also, but we all saw the shuffle that FCA did. There's nothing substantial coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlecountry Posted November 20, 2015 Author Share Posted November 20, 2015 No more money on the table! Ford has to stay competitive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caustic Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 What do you see happening? What do the other no votes expect? If I believed even an ounce that they would offer a seriously better deal then I would have voted no also, but we all saw the shuffle that FCA did. There's nothing substantial coming. I see nothing happening. Honestly I don't care if it's different or not. It wouldn't change my mind. I think there is a lot of fluff this contract could do without. Money for fitness centers? Dependant tuition assitance?legal services? Some of the fat could be trimmed and put to better use elsewhere. The cap removed from profit sharing...that's laughable. 3+ billion per quarter from one auto maker for an entite year isn't going to happen. Stupid add ons like that are used to make it seem better than it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSiete47 Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 No insult taken JS, I too feel the stress of all this shit that`s going on, I think you can see it in some of my posts and responses. No need to be excused for wanting to lock down new product for you and our sisters and brother in Detroit. That is what unionism is about. Yes`s or No`s, old or young, legacy, trades or not we all have something at steak. We will work this out. But.... knock off the elderly shit... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tier2 Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 Who is threatening to strike? A strike deadline was never issued with Ford so it's simply extend agreement and back to the table. You can't force a company back to the table! Ford could use this opportunity to say to the American public see we tried and the greedy bastards turned it down. Mexico here we come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTP'er Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 I never realized that I work with a bunch of spineless people. Just imagine if we had the same spineless people back in the 40's & 50's were we would be. Probably little or no health care, no holidays, no middle class what so ever. I just want to thank all the "Yes" voters for shitting on everything that was fought for us by real UAW members not these posers. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decker Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 (edited) You can't force a company back to the table! Ford could use this opportunity to say to the American public see we tried and the greedy bastards turned it down. Mexico here we come. Do you realize that close to 70% of all Ford`s profit is generated here in the states and Canada? What generated means is the products are sold here and bought by our wages (not just auto works) here. So if you would think about what WSJ, Bloomberg, Automotive News....etc. reports every quarter you would realize the abilities to gain such large profits is rooted in the fact that American`s and Canadian`s buy with their wages the products that generate profits. That might have been a threat back before the big 3 realized that pulling the products would reduce a very large group of wage earners by a move to lets say Mexico. This did prove out to be a major pain in their bank accounts. (profits) Yes, we don`t buy every Ford product but if you understand the way an economy works you will agree our wages support other jobs by purchasing other products that pay the wages of others that buy our products. So stating Ford is going to do anything that is going to cut their profits really isn`t to correct, business wise. Now you may say they have and could do it agian but, why is it Ford and so many other producers of products are moving back production to the states? So all this talk about the sky is falling and the moving of product isn`t that big of a scarey think anymore. We don`t earn wages Ford dosen`t gain profit, simple equation. Edited November 20, 2015 by Decker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weecountry Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 I never realized that I work with a bunch of spineless people. Just imagine if we had the same spineless people back in the 40's & 50's were we would be. Probably little or no health care, no holidays, no middle class what so ever. I just want to thank all the "Yes" voters for shitting on everything that was fought for us by real UAW members not these posers. Wake up this isn't the 40's & 50's! Back then there was not much competition and back then no one had to worry about their job going to another country. Time to face reality in the country we live in TODAY not 50 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tier2 Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 Do you realize that close to 70% of all Ford`s profit is generated here in the states and Canada? What generated means is the products are sold here and bought by our wages (not just auto works) here. So if you would think about what WSJ, Bloomberg, Automotive News....etc. reports evey quarter you would realize the abilities to gain such large profits is rooted in the fact that American`s and Canadian`s buy with their wages the products that generate profits. That might have been a threat back before the big 3 realized that pulling the products would reduce a very large group of wage earners by a move to lets say Mexico. This did prove out to be a major pain in their bank accounts. (profits) Yes, we don`t buy every Ford product but if you understand the way an economy works you will agree our wages support other jobs by purchasing other products that pay the wages of others that buy our products. So stating Ford is going to do anything that is going to cut their profits really isn`t to correct, business wise. Now you may say they have and could do it agian but, why is it Ford and so many other producers of products are moving back production to the states? So all this talk about the sky is falling and the moving of product isn`t that big of a scarey think anymore. We don`t earn wages Ford dosen`t gain profit, simple equation. Once again you are proving that a no voter does not fully understand what is going on. Automotive companies are not trying to move products back here, they are trying to move them out of the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
182 Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 I never realized that I work with a bunch of spineless people. Just imagine if we had the same spineless people back in the 40's & 50's were we would be. Probably little or no health care, no holidays, no middle class what so ever. I just want to thank all the "Yes" voters for shitting on everything that was fought for us by real UAW members not these posers. The auto market was contracting during the 40s and 50s. Packard disappeared, Hudson merged with Nash (AMC). Into the 60s Studebaker disappeared. So there was really no competitition. Now its global and you still think you can strike and people will wait to buy your car. They will go down the street and buy a Camry without thinking twice. Or if they need a truck the Tundra will fill the bill. You had a government that supported workers rights and buyers that probably were in a a union themselves. Now you have none of that. Get your head out of your ass and face reality. Its not 1955 anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decker Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 Once again you are proving that a no voter does not fully understand what is going on. Automotive companies are not trying to move products back here, they are trying to move them out of the country. Really, Ford invested $1.1 billion to gain $20 "million" in China, not a good return in any business world. Ford spent billions in Russia and has yet to see any sizable return that even remotely could be concidered as a profit. No one consums like the States, Canada and western Europe. With that said where do you think those "lost" investments, "poor" returns on investments and less than desirable business ventures get the funding from? Yep, the funding comes from the wages eaned by Tier2 that Tier2 spends sooo let Tier2 not have the wages what would happen to the profits or how would Ford fund the poor investment decisions? There is an old question and it goes like this, Put up a fence around the United States would there be anyone trying to climb the fence to get out? Open the gates and how many would come in? Tier2 someday people will stop being frightened by big business and their bag men (UAW) by hollow threats. Business and the UAW can talk shit but, the largest consumer driven market place is "inside" the fence, period. "A no voter doses not fully understand what is going on" sounds familiar??? If Jimmy writes a book, you going to wait in line to get his autograph too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decker Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 The auto market was contracting during the 40s and 50s. Packard disappeared, Hudson merged with Nash (AMC). Into the 60s Studebaker disappeared. So there was really no competitition. Now its global and you still think you can strike and people will wait to buy your car. They will go down the street and buy a Camry without thinking twice. Or if they need a truck the Tundra will fill the bill. You had a government that supported workers rights and buyers that probably were in a a union themselves. Now you have none of that. Get your head out of your ass and face reality. Its not 1955 anymore. Customers have been waiting for months for Explorers or buy right off the dealership lots....."go down the street and buy a Tundra" really Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
182 Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 (edited) Yes the US market is driving these profits. Imagine if the big 3 didnt have to deal with the UAW. Imagine the money they would save. No more health care, inflated wages, or bonus checks to pass out. Imagine their delight when the idiots in the UAW strike, giving them the opprotunity to rid themselves of the union. This is playing out perfectly for Ford. And imagine the reaction of the public when the UAW is booted out. Sales will probably increase. Edited November 20, 2015 by 182 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longball Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 When complaining about Ford trying to expand their world markets we need to realize that the US market isn't that big....If Ford is going to remain competitive they need to keep investing overseas....The chinese market is 4 times as large as the US market....I think our market is 5th largest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decker Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 When complaining about Ford trying to expand their world markets we need to realize that the US market isn't that big....If Ford is going to remain competitive they need to keep investing overseas....The chinese market is 4 times as large as the US market....I think our market is 5th largest You are correct longball and yes we are posted as behind China as a world market size. This placement is based on the potential purchasing power of China. This potential has yet to materialize as a true consumer (spending) market. The US is first in the consumption category of some but not all marketable products. As for grain the US is far behind most world markets, yet we are one of the top on the list as grain producers. I agree that Ford has to keep investing in other markets but in all hosnesty it will be (as estimated by Ford) 15 to 20 years before China and many other world markets could even come close to our consumption here in one of the largest profit generating market in the world. So when you head to bed tonight don`t have nightmares about those other people taking our jobs, it was and still is a very hollow threat to move our products anywhere in the world. By Fords own research it will be 15 to 20 years down the road before any world markets will even come close to the consumption here where you earn those Ford wages. Besides in 15 to 20 years the IUAW may pull off organizing the Mexican Labor and we will have bumpimg rights...... Wages, make the profits. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTP'er Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 There we are again worrying what the public thinks about the UAW. All the public knows is that our vote can be bought for a poultry $8500. Buck up 182 it's time to put the big boy pants on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSiete47 Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 Yea, would never disrespect a "senior union brother". That work for ya? lol. A pic of yourself and I would have prolly joked along with you. But not knowing your age, your jabs at me struck my hatred of racism nerve. So I used what I deemed an appropriate response to a bigot, not someone teasing at my background. School, sports, being teammates with quite a few different ethnic groups but majority white and black kids. And now 15 years of being U.A.W. brothers and sisters. Racism ain't close to dead but slowly dying and will die without any doubt. Always cringed when I heard an adult use the "N" word and still do. Being round a group of Caucasians and there's alway a few that had racism forced into their heads from people not fit to be parents. But my nephew, 16, is exactly like me in that regard, and he grew up round the Irish Hills area with a single black kid at his school. And I never spoke a word about race related subjects. It was just a natural progression, to me his general attitude towards other races was like a step on evolution because he wasn't groomed to love all people equally. And I had no clue til one of my brothers friends blurted out a slur in his presence and my brother commented on how uncomfortable he became whenever that particular friend was around just like use to get. Character is a proper way to gauge people along with their morals. And you sir are quite the character. Lol. My apologies for unknowingly , well I never threatened u, lose of words. speaking at u in a menacing manner. I mean when a name in a forum keeps using your comments as quotes and then pokes fun at your upbringing I was offended so I stood my ground which is pure instinct, couldn't be helped. And since I never knew you existed, never seen or read your name or insulted you in any manner or read any threads by you. Never been a fan of social media. But a 2nd tier buddy suggested blue oval if u wanted updated contact news, I was completely blindsided by the no voters logic. Couldn't believe any U.S. auto company would Bobert Queens legacy fade away. Dad rejected a job offer after a medical retirement, just because B. King would be a coworker, and wasn't sure if it possible too chance being an underling to that man because going from a 3 term MTP Chairman to serve a poor leader was never an option for him. Anyways, only started commenting about why the no votes only to be insulted without any real answers other than obvious greed, personal grudges against salary folks and the 8 year top pay, which is very deceptively evil. But in four years, we could make that agreement issue disappear, get LTS workers their original senority date back. MAP didn't vote yes out of fear just didn't want to jump the gun and the vast majority thought it solid knowing their are still plenty of contracts to right the wrongs. Concern didn't start til no votes became the majority day after day. And forums are terrible when it comes to lifec hanging issues no one backs down because we're all completely safe from harm, in case someone losses their temper. Union business should only be ironed out in union halls, where you could very well suffer injury if you're obnoxious by nature. But there needs to be a leader to set the tone, any comprimizes must be hashed out. 100 people cannot all be right with different solutions. We need to unionized again, in the manner it all began. In crowded halls, face to face, learn to respect our 2nd families again. Respect a coworker opinion without crucifying them because u disagree. These, actually this forum is very scary, along with fb, I hear, is pure union negativity and hate towards opposite viewpoints. Just wanted updates and got sucked right in right away. We have been behaving like children with bigger vocabularies. These forums serve individualism entirely. Think about it. Possible customers can read these posts and hate us even more. The government, especially if the elephants cheat another election win for someone from their party. Prolly Bush even tho hes struggling right now, have crazy deep connections on a global scale and U.S. policymakers. They could destroy all unions. We want a decent lifesfor our loved ones. They stop at nothing to finally stomp out our beloved middle class, our country's backbone, cause their rich CEO buddies despise unions cause its really their money. We need to stop using these forums immediately. Right to work states keep gaining ground nation wide. Lets stick to meetings and trusting our leadership who didn't get their jobs through pure luck. They know more dirt about the company than we could ever know. Its pure survival at this point b4 WWIII. Russia is strategically taking territory, China attempting to retake their sea in name only. International waters actually. Obama killed bin Laden. All he could do. Country's not well. And Ford employees vote down a decent contact like the last one ever.Anyways deleting account. Huge mistake, my faith in U.AW.s future seems hopeless. Peace Deck, standup guy apparently. Read the rest Howard haters comments that are on my email somehow.We need another WWII type generation soon. All down hill after Vietnam.and Korea.China basically renting us our own country, if u pocess foresight.off topic but fuk it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 Holy crap. Can somebody translate that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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