pictor Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 See the article below http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article.../611090316/1014 Amazing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bec5150 Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 See the article below http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article.../611090316/1014 Amazing I thought they were biased... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgey Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 Lets hope the Edge makes the list next year. No Freestyle eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 I linked over to the complete list. I saw Freestyle AWD(?) there and a Fusion ZX5 S. I believe that is a Focus they are talking about. Now for the number of models, does that mean only Ford/Mercury/Lincoln? I saw Mazda and Volvo there as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surgen Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 (edited) I linked over to the complete list. I saw Freestyle AWD(?) there and a Fusion ZX5 S. I believe that is a Focus they are talking about. Now for the number of models, does that mean only Ford/Mercury/Lincoln? I saw Mazda and Volvo there as well. For the Record - Ford: Focus, Fusion, Five Hundred, Crown Victoria and Freestyle all were recommended by CR. Mercury: Milan, Montego, Grand Marquis Lincoln: Zephyr, Town Car Mazda: MX-5, 3, 5, 6 Volvo: S40, S60 So much for all Ford cars sucking. CR has some interesting ways of counting vehicles - they may have numerous entries under one nameplate. Edited November 9, 2006 by Surgen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 For the Record - Ford: Focus, Fusion, Five Hundred, Crown Victoria and Freestyle all were recommended by CR. Mercury: Milan, Montego, Grand Marquis Lincoln: Zephyr, Town Car Mazda: MX-5, 3, 5, 6 Volvo: S40, S60 So much for all Ford cars sucking. CR has some interesting ways of counting vehicles - they may have numerous entries under one nameplate. I think it has to do with the way they judge the cars. You may have issues with a Fusion w/ a I4 and 5 spd manual but not so much as a Fusion w/ V6 and 6 spd auto. Even comparing a 3 dr Focus HB and the 5 dr HB for example. It seems strange yet appears thorough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Reynolds Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 I thought they were biased... I knew someone was going to say that. I wonder what would have been said if it were Toyota and Honda at the top and Ford at the bottom? HMMM. BTW, making a decision based on what one publication has to say is stupid especially based on the testing that CR uses.That said once you take the other quality awards that certain Ford nameplates have racked up over the past few years, and you start to notice a trend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xr7g428 Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 "The quality at Ford Motor Co. today is as good as any import. ... I would like to invite consumers to test drive a Ford. They walked away from us before, but it's really time for people to come back and give it a try." Hmmm... Sounds like time to say: Have you driven a Ford lately? Just a personal speculation, I think that the Five Hundred may be a better car if you come to it from an Accord or Camry, than from an Explorer, Taurus, 300C, or Impala. It may be that the right customer has never sat in the car. Perhaps if you expectation for performance is a three year old, four cylinder Camry. This car might be pretty quick, and the interior space would bowl you over. Coming from an Explorer, you would be less impressed. How do you get those Camry drivers into a Ford showroom, and then into a Five Hundred, with out the dealers scaring them away? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 These recommendations are based on owner reported reliability, not "predicted reliability". I have found CR's subscriber surveys to be a pretty solid predictor of potential problems. I wouldn't quibble too much with these recommendations. However, I have no end of issues with their inhouse testing, and their inhouse predictions of future reliability, which displays a top down arrogance exemplified by David Champion's dismay that the lowest quality assembly plant in the U.S. was a Nissan plant in Mississippi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLemon Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 Time will tell.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcsario Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 Who cares? CR is worthless anyway, remember? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadrunner Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 I guess it's a matter of: Ford's making these great vehicles, but nobody is buying them. Not sure how to get over that hurdle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bec5150 Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 I went car shopping with my father-in-law last week and I'll tell you how to cross that hurdle. The Chevy and Ford dealers looked the exact same as they didn in 1960. The Mazda, Toyota, and Honda dealers looked new, exciting and very upscale. Of all of em, the Mazda dealer was by far the best. Get the dealers up to snuff. The Fusion isn't gonna sell dick if it's sitting in sthe same boring, dirty carpet, popcorn machine dealership that the Escort sat in 25 years ago (with the same fast talking dude trying to move product that was there WITH the Escort). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLPRacing Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 I thought they were biased... Toyota did come in first... You do know that unless Ford is first in every category, they're biased. :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Reynolds Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 Who cares? CR is worthless anyway, remember? Thanks for the recap. BTW, that is a bit of a generalization of Ford dealers. I've had the exact opposite experience at some Mazda dealerships. One was located in an old furniture store, and the other in an old warehouse type building. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZanatWork Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 Yeah, all the Ford dealers here in Albuquerque have either been seriously remodeled or rebuilt from the ground up in the last several years...seriously changed for the better. Still only one I'll deal with, but the others certainly look as new and inviting as any import lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
630land Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 Yeah, go to a Ford dealer and it usually some overweight, smelly, polyester clad fart with a bad comb over going "you buyin today?" Or some 37 y/o former "Mr HS Popularity" wearing tons of hair gel, who the dealer old timers think is 'a young hip guy'. My local Ford Store still has 1972 wood panelling, and fat guys standing around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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