Did Steve Wilson Do The Right Thing Or Not?

[98shotoy11]

Any Ford employee who wants a future with Ford, probably can have it, if he is willing to wait a while, and/or re-locate. Otherwise, he can walk away with a bundle of cash. 30,000 people? You are just one person. Do what suits you best, and let each other person do the same. When I hired on at Ford, I did not believe that they were giving me a guaranteed job for life. All that I knew was that I was going to get over five bucks an hour for as long as they would have me. That was good enough for me. This is probably the most generous downsizing in the history of the USA. Ford should be applauded for the way that they are taking care of their people. From listening to all of the crybabies, I would say that Ford is well rid of them, and they do not deserve what they are being given. Ford is not your parents. At some point in your life, you have to cut the apron strings, and stand on your own two feet. This comment is only directed at the ones who are crying because they need Ford to look after them, not the ones who are sucking it up, and moving on with their lives. If you cannot survive without Ford, then Ford should never have hired you in the first place.

 

You response was WELL said and I appreciate the way you responded!!!!

 

I am trying NOT to sound like I am crying about being let go. Yes I was angry but I understand that not all jobs last forever. I did think that I would be set for a good future and I am not affraid to admit that. My main problem was how I was let go, the reason I was told for being let go, and of course now with the stories coming out about the execs.

I have moved on after being let go from Ford. As a matter of fact, I have purchsed two Ford vehicles since being let go from Ford. So, my loyalty is still there as a customer.....for now anyways.

One point I was trying to make was that why should I buy Ford products when the company cant be somewhat honest with the employee's? Why should I back a product that does not back its employee's, customers's, and most of all the American people? I know that in order to make a profit you have to downsise. BUT, when downsising DONT say that we must ALL make concessions and then spend money like its growing on trees. I know that top execs are going to have perks and special treatment but they too have to take in affect that some of that would have to change. Ok, Bill Ford said he would only take a dollar a year. Thats a start. Why is Fields still making over three million dollars a year? Why are they paying Mullay the millions of dollars and they also gave him a big sign on bonus. Yes, he is going to get a hgh amount in the begining but others have to make concessions as well. NOT just the hourly and salary force. Its not fair to us. If we are a "family" company then the whole family has to change and not just the little "brother and sisters".

[Trimdingman]

You response was WELL said and I appreciate the way you responded!!!!

 

I am trying NOT to sound like I am crying about being let go. Yes I was angry but I understand that not all jobs last forever. I did think that I would be set for a good future and I am not affraid to admit that. My main problem was how I was let go, the reason I was told for being let go, and of course now with the stories coming out about the execs.

I have moved on after being let go from Ford. As a matter of fact, I have purchsed two Ford vehicles since being let go from Ford. So, my loyalty is still there as a customer.....for now anyways.

One point I was trying to make was that why should I buy Ford products when the company cant be somewhat honest with the employee's? Why should I back a product that does not back its employee's, customers's, and most of all the American people? I know that in order to make a profit you have to downsise. BUT, when downsising DONT say that we must ALL make concessions and then spend money like its growing on trees. I know that top execs are going to have perks and special treatment but they too have to take in affect that some of that would have to change. Ok, Bill Ford said he would only take a dollar a year. Thats a start. Why is Fields still making over three million dollars a year? Why are they paying Mullay the millions of dollars and they also gave him a big sign on bonus. Yes, he is going to get a hgh amount in the begining but others have to make concessions as well. NOT just the hourly and salary force. Its not fair to us. If we are a "family" company then the whole family has to change and not just the little "brother and sisters".

 

These people do not go to Ford with cap in hand begging for a job. Ford goes to them. They are already set for life, because they are super-smart. What does it take to get them to interrupt their lifestyles? Lots.

[Trimdingman]

Say, you have a 12 inch, fat penis, and are good looking. Hot babes are breaking down your door. You live in a one room dump. Or, you could be a big exec making millions, and living in a mansion. Your significant other is not too impressed with your toothpick. Who would you rather be?

[objectsinmirror]

Say, you have a 12 inch, fat penis, and are good looking. Hot babes are breaking down your door. You live in a one room dump. Or, you could be a big exec making millions, and living in a mansion. Your significant other is not too impressed with your toothpick. Who would you rather be?

 

Kenneth Starr!!!

[usa1mac]

This just shows that upper management is out of touch.

 

Mark

[swenson88]

Say, you have a 12 inch, fat penis, and are good looking. Hot babes are breaking down your door. You live in a one room dump. Or, you could be a big exec making millions, and living in a mansion. Your significant other is not too impressed with your toothpick. Who would you rather be?

 

I guarantee you more hot chicks are banging down the door of the little-dicked millionaire than the broke-schmoe with the huge hog.

 

Anyways, my problem with behavior like what happened in this situation is that, although these private jet flights were used as an incentive to get him to sign on, Fields should be man enough to recognize that he should do his part to save some money and just use a damn regular airplane. Is 1st Class THAT bad? I think of it akin to baseball and the difference between the guys who come up through your farm system and big-money free agents. Guys like Fields and Mulally are free agents. They go wherever the money's biggest. Guys like Bill Ford or people that have worked at Ford their whole career are the farm system guys. They tend to get paid less but have loyalty to their team. It would just be nice to see a free agent recognize that sometimes their big contract is a detriment to the team overall.

[objectsinmirror]

bump.....up

[Pit stop]

Say, you have a 12 inch, fat penis, and are good looking. Hot babes are breaking down your door. You live in a one room dump. Or, you could be a big exec making millions, and living in a mansion. Your significant other is not too impressed with your toothpick. Who would you rather be?

NOT TRIMDINGMAN'S SIGNIFICANT OTHER because he has neither the 12 inch dick or the big bucks coming in from his exec position......oh but TRIM we went through that last year.....(UAW) MEMBER?????

Keep riding the fence because that is what you are good at

[objectsinmirror]

NOT TRIMDINGMAN'S SIGNIFICANT OTHER because he has neither the 12 inch dick or the big bucks coming in from his exec position......oh but TRIM we went through that last year.....(UAW) MEMBER?????

Keep riding the fence because that is what you are good at

 

WOW!!

[JagXFRGuy]

Steve Wilson's article is completely stupid. The link between flying on a corporate jet and peoples jobs is about the most moronic parallel that it makes no sense.

 

What Steve fails to mention is that given the number of hours someone like Mark Fields works flying on a corporate jet absoultely provides him with the ability to more effectively perform at the level he needs to do his job.

 

What you think he kicks back and read the newspaper while he's flying home? The guy runs a multibillion dollar division of FMC for christsake and your going to have him spend a few hours going through security at DET then get on a NW flight to PBI?

 

It shows you that to make the link between working class line workers and Mark Fields is again simply stupid and if anything shows Steve Wilson's just another TV reporter out to expose something that in the end isn't exposing anything.

 

Let's see..a 150 billion dollar revenue company and Mark Fields spends some bucks flying around....

[Pit stop]

Steve Wilson's article is completely stupid. The link between flying on a corporate jet and peoples jobs is about the most moronic parallel that it makes no sense.

 

What Steve fails to mention is that given the number of hours someone like Mark Fields works flying on a corporate jet absoultely provides him with the ability to more effectively perform at the level he needs to do his job.

 

What you think he kicks back and read the newspaper while he's flying home? The guy runs a multibillion dollar division of FMC for christsake and your going to have him spend a few hours going through security at DET then get on a NW flight to PBI?

 

It shows you that to make the link between working class line workers and Mark Fields is again simply stupid and if anything shows Steve Wilson's just another TV reporter out to expose something that in the end isn't exposing anything.

 

Let's see..a 150 billion dollar revenue company and Mark Fields spends some bucks flying around....

Steves Wilsons investigation is the best thing that has happened to FORD hourly in at least the last 10 years

Dont you RemeMber the Crown Victoria's Exploding (police cars) and the litigation that followed...What did that cost the company...

Or the Lawsuits over the escort

Do you remember the Firestone tire scandle

How about the zero % financing that went on way to long and plummetted their stock to the junk catagory.

Remember the give backs that the hourly gave just last year in regards to your medical benefits.

We are paying for the executives big mistakes

Again Steve Wilson is the best thing that has happened to Ford hourly in a long long time!!~

[davdog]

I guarantee you more hot chicks are banging down the door of the little-dicked millionaire than the broke-schmoe with the huge hog.

 

Anyways, my problem with behavior like what happened in this situation is that, although these private jet flights were used as an incentive to get him to sign on, Fields should be man enough to recognize that he should do his part to save some money and just use a damn regular airplane. Is 1st Class THAT bad? I think of it akin to baseball and the difference between the guys who come up through your farm system and big-money free agents. Guys like Fields and Mulally are free agents. They go wherever the money's biggest. Guys like Bill Ford or people that have worked at Ford their whole career are the farm system guys. They tend to get paid less but have loyalty to their team. It would just be nice to see a free agent recognize that sometimes their big contract is a detriment to the team overall.

 

 

So the UAW is going to take a twenty-five percent pay cut next contract for the team?

 

He's no more overpaid, percentage wise, then you folks are.

[Steve Wilson WXYZ Detroit]

... People on the far left, like Steve Wilson, Michael Moore, Hillary Clinton, and Jesse Jackson would like to steer it into an iceberg.

I just love it when people like my friend Trimdingman start spewing that crap about most/all media being left tilting. WHICH media, T-man? Certainly you don't know a THING about my political or social leanings, yet you put me on the far left, apparently just based on the same logic you use to draw some of your other conclusions.

 

We don't sit around and talk politics very much but I can tell you this: just in MY newsroom, there is a wide range of political thought. It goes from some of the most right wing to left, as well. But I can tell you NONE of the journalists I work with--here or previously--deliberately set out to point a story in the political direction they prefer.

 

Yeah, plenty of far leftists in the media. Rupert Murdoch, Bill O'Reilly, Mark Hyman on Sinclair stations around the country, Sean Hannity, The Wall Street Journal, shall I continue????

 

And BTW, what ever happened to the specific QUESTIONS you had in criticizing my reporting--or a single example of inaccuracy in the Ford reports? Wasn't it you T-man who said you were busy but would get back? I'm here. I'm waiting.

[Len_A]

Question I have for you Steve, is did you get any feedback from the UAW leadership on this story?

 

Steve Wilson's article is completely stupid. The link between flying on a corporate jet and peoples jobs is about the most moronic parallel that it makes no sense.

 

What Steve fails to mention is that given the number of hours someone like Mark Fields works flying on a corporate jet absoultely provides him with the ability to more effectively perform at the level he needs to do his job.

 

What you think he kicks back and read the newspaper while he's flying home? The guy runs a multibillion dollar division of FMC for christsake and your going to have him spend a few hours going through security at DET then get on a NW flight to PBI?

 

It shows you that to make the link between working class line workers and Mark Fields is again simply stupid and if anything shows Steve Wilson's just another TV reporter out to expose something that in the end isn't exposing anything.

 

Let's see..a 150 billion dollar revenue company and Mark Fields spends some bucks flying around....

agreed, 100%. I real don't see much of a story...

[objectsinmirror]

To critisize what someone does for a living, is really the stupid part of all this...look, there are probably alot of customers that think screwing four screws in a dashboard for eight hours a day is an insignificant job that's way over paid...but we know it is just as important as mounting the steering wheel...all Mr. Wilson did was HIS job which is reporting facts...you can take em or leave em...but they are still facts and Mr. Fields could at least be stand up enough to answer his questions...if he's so smart and deserves the jet and the money...if Fields is SO smart.....he would have put Steve in his place and been done with it...he didn't and he isn't....

[lincmerc51]

I just love it when people like my friend Trimdingman start spewing that crap about most/all media being left tilting. WHICH media, T-man? Certainly you don't know a THING about my political or social leanings, yet you put me on the far left, apparently just based on the same logic you use to draw some of your other conclusions.

 

We don't sit around and talk politics very much but I can tell you this: just in MY newsroom, there is a wide range of political thought. It goes from some of the most right wing to left, as well. But I can tell you NONE of the journalists I work with--here or previously--deliberately set out to point a story in the political direction they prefer.

 

Yeah, plenty of far leftists in the media. Rupert Murdoch, Bill O'Reilly, Mark Hyman on Sinclair stations around the country, Sean Hannity, The Wall Street Journal, shall I continue????

 

And BTW, what ever happened to the specific QUESTIONS you had in criticizing my reporting--or a single example of inaccuracy in the Ford reports? Wasn't it you T-man who said you were busy but would get back? I'm here. I'm waiting.

 

 

I'll take a stab at this one.

 

Which media? Pretty much ALL of it. You dont need to be a genius to read the editorials in just about any newspaper to see that they all lean left to far left. 2 exceptions I can think of off the top: Washington Times and Manchester (NH) Union Leader, unless that one's gone now. Haven't hear dmuch from it in years.

My local paper, the San Jose Mercury News, is middlin to far left. I regularly email to the editor correcting their items - from exagerations to outright lies. My corrections never get published.

And I can just imagine the diversity of political thought in your 'newsroom' - 1st person "I think Hillary will be the next president." 2nd person "Are you a racist? Obama is DESERVES to be president" 3rd "If only Kerry could tell a joke, he'd win." Yep, my bet is that's as far as it goes.

As for your little list of all the right-wingers in the media, first off, Rupert Murdoch is a capitalist, he dont care who's in power as long as his gravy train keeps comin. Hell, didnt he recently hold a fundraiser for Hillary? Bill O'Reilly leans a bit to the right, and the guy makes more sense than just about anybody in the media today. You probably prefer Keith Olberman though. Hannity - yep, but you forget that 1/2 his show is dedicated to that sponge-mouthed Colmes, so that one's a wash. So yeah, if u think you can come up with more than 1 confirmed rightie in the media have at it. SO far you aint doin so good. Oh, and if you wanna bring up talk radio, fine. ALL the successful ones are on the right. But of course, ALL the lefties on TV and in print regularly dismiss them as nutcases so can u really count them?

I dont know your poitics, Steve, but I do know what I see, read and hear. And it pretty much all comes into my left ear. If you deny that, you just aint payin attention.

[ktpworker69]

yea right only the american big 3 are evil and do no good...trash ford some more.....why doesnt any of these so called political journalist talk about how the japaneese 3 have there government working with them to keep there money floating.......... .low to help there agenda.....how americans are exploited by this...............dont think so toyota only shits gold there is no exploitation or agenda on there plate right................there god

 

so you think its right for this ass clown to spend 50,000 a week flying back and forth to florida? he makes 3 million a year, surely he can buy a first class ticket for $500 a week instead. mark fields is no better than me, he puts his pants on just like i do, his money is no greener than mine. do you think ford would fly me or you back to work every week if we lived in another state? i bet not.

[cip]

I've enetered my thoughts previously only on a few occassions. I'm probably one of the guys who will be "offered" in December and that's the way it goes. I've had 28 good v. years, not great, but good. Sometimes I didn't get what I thought I should have, sometimes I got more than I thought I deserved. I've been able to raise my family, spend some ca$h on a few toys, and travel a bit.....I have no complaints. (I've been looking around and thankfully, have a good chance of improving my salary at a dealer but will have to work more hours.) I've seen the Company pinch pennys and waste so many dollars it's crazy. I feel they should go to the guys who do the job for input and real world info, a lot more than they do. I'm just a SG 8 lacky who enjoys and appreciates what I have and what God has given me. Yea, I'd like to double my salary but it isn't not a pressing issue...not a burning desire.....the more you make, the more you spend! There's a lot more to life than cash and position. I'd really like to believe Fields when he says mutual sacrifice.....I'd really like to...a guy in his position can cause the Company to make (or lose) a LOT of $$$ but it us out here in the trenches talking to customers, assembling the cars, etc. However, my gut says that it is just plain wrong to spend $30-50K a week (if that's true) when the Company is bleeding and real people are going to face starting over. By the way, I think I'd feel the same way if we were making $20 B a year....his action is just wasteful. Yea, he might be doing business on those flights via phone. But, he can do the same in first class. I'm disappointed in Bill Ford for allowing this to happen. I don't mind any executive using the Company plane to go anywhere, even with his family. After all, he IS an executive and deserves perks we peons don't. But every week, no way...it's wrong...saying that they all do it doesn't make it any better. Mark made 3 million last year? WOW...I think he can afford to buy his own ticket, make other arrangements, or move to Michigan. After all, thet's where, HE signed on to be. By the way, I'd take his job for 3 months-then I'd have enough money for my family for a long time....best wishes to all you Ford guys in your decisions...it's not easy. i salute the comapny, BTW, for offering NICE packages. They could just say, see ya!! Sorry for the long post.[/color]

[J-150]

so you think its right for this ass clown to spend 50,000 a week flying back and forth to florida? he makes 3 million a year, surely he can buy a first class ticket for $500 a week instead. mark fields is no better than me, he puts his pants on just like i do, his money is no greener than mine. do you think ford would fly me or you back to work every week if we lived in another state? i bet not.

 

 

 

how many times do we have to discuss this...

 

he makes 3 mil plus plane fare.

 

If he made 4mil per year and no plane fare nothing would be said. Its a benefit... just like you have a pension and dental. Do you have any idea how much those benefits are worth as a percentage of your check?

[Ron W.]

"Did Steve Wilson Do The Right Thing Or Not?"

 

In my opinion yes, any time and every time facts are made public.

[Trimdingman]

NOT TRIMDINGMAN'S SIGNIFICANT OTHER because he has neither the 12 inch dick or the big bucks coming in from his exec position......oh but TRIM we went through that last year.....(UAW) MEMBER?????

Keep riding the fence because that is what you are good at

 

Did I strike a nerve? You work at Ford, so you are not poor. Hmmm. I do not sit on any fences. That is bad for the.... you wouldn't know about that. I am a right wing Conservative.

[Trimdingman]

Hey Trimdingman,

I often stop to read your posts. I have plenty of time to do that these days considering I'm facing a plant closing. I don't agree with you often times, but I still enjoy your thoughts.

Employees don't come to work for Ford with the intention of working temporarily. Take me for instance. I started 6 months after high school back in 1977. I had no skills other than street smarts I began to learn on a playground.

When I hit that line that first time, as much as I hated it, I saw it as my bread and butter for the next 30 years. It is no different for everyone who begins their employment with this company whether they are salary or hourly.

If I am at the "mercy" of Ford, just what does that mean to you? To me being at their mercy means trusting they will keep me employed by engineering viable products according to the fickle customer.

Instead, they conducted themselves as if they are intoxicated by their profits by running this company into the ground.

Ford demanded lower and lower prices for their parts. Suppliers were forced to cut and cut costs in their plants. When they did it left them running on a shoestring budget for many of them. Corners are cut dramatically which affects quality.

Dealers are not always compensated for everything they do for the price of the service they provide the customers we depend upon.

Ford launches boring products engineered and managed by high dollar executives. The company hasn't had the foresight or desire to make changes according to market changes because they were holding onto the hopes of larger vehicle profits such as trucks and SUVs instead of smaller, dynamically styled smaller vehicles.

The rhetoric pounded into us by the company and hourly coordinators during FPS orientation was the company's intention to change their dogmatic culture.

What changed was drawing the workers into a mindset that the interests of the company was more important the the collective interests of the plant workforce.

Such philosophy was destined to fail for us from the beginning because the company thinks globally and hourly and plant-level salary personel always thinks locally.

Regardless of how much we cut and cut we will never, ever be able to compete globally. No one with a straight face thinks you and I can keep a plant open when we compete with a plant in Vietnam where median income is one or two bucks A DAY.

Contrary to your opinion about this country being built by people who knew how to take care of themselves, be reminded that this country's earliest days were steeped in slavery. By the way, I'm a white guy with a long lineage of family history from Georgia and Tennessee.

During the depression the vast part of American society depended upon subsidies from the state. If that would not have happened we may have seen another civil war in the last century.

Corporations are the biggest Socialist in America. They and their lobbyists dump millions upon millions into the coffers of politicians to reap favors worth far more than they invest in for the next election. Then they still open plants in another country.

If we were to subscribe to your raw view of the American ideal I suspect it would look alot like something Ayn Rand would embrace. If it ever comes to that your kids or grand kids may be facing a civil war in this country.

 

I forgot one final point. You accuse Michael Moore and Steve Wilson of sucking off what other's have achieved. What about Bill Ford? He made his money the old fashioned way. It was inherited.

 

 

You make it any way you can. I bet that Bill is a Democrat. Despite socialism, it is still survival of the fittest. Unions and socialist governments will offer to "help" you if you are weak, and promise to make your lot better. They really want to keep you down, because they need people like you to elect them. If you prosper, you will not vote for them any more. They are really only feathering their own nests. The smart ones will always find a way to beat the system. Be smart.

Edited November 29, 2006 by Trimdingman

[Trimdingman]

I just love it when people like my friend Trimdingman start spewing that crap about most/all media being left tilting. WHICH media, T-man? Certainly you don't know a THING about my political or social leanings, yet you put me on the far left, apparently just based on the same logic you use to draw some of your other conclusions.

 

We don't sit around and talk politics very much but I can tell you this: just in MY newsroom, there is a wide range of political thought. It goes from some of the most right wing to left, as well. But I can tell you NONE of the journalists I work with--here or previously--deliberately set out to point a story in the political direction they prefer.

 

Yeah, plenty of far leftists in the media. Rupert Murdoch, Bill O'Reilly, Mark Hyman on Sinclair stations around the country, Sean Hannity, The Wall Street Journal, shall I continue????

 

And BTW, what ever happened to the specific QUESTIONS you had in criticizing my reporting--or a single example of inaccuracy in the Ford reports? Wasn't it you T-man who said you were busy but would get back? I'm here. I'm waiting.

 

 

I hope that you do not believe that the world revolves around your newsroom. From the quality of your writing ability, I would say that you are just hanging on by the skin of your teeth.

 

You forgot to mention RUSH LIMBAUGH. He must be your nemesis. Media people on the right are fewer in number, but more people watch and listen to them.

 

Political kindergarten course:

 

Far left means total control. Someone else does all of your thinking for you. Examples: Socialism, Communism, Fascism, Naziism, Religious Fanatacism.

 

Far right means no control. Examples: Anarchism, Extreme Conservatism, the Wild West, Vigilanty Justice, Big Money Muscle.

 

Neither is good, but I prefer the latter. At least there, I have a chance. The left murders people like me just for being like me. The right at least gives me a fighting chance.

 

As for the accuracy of your report, I guess that it is accurate. You can make anyone look bad if that is what you are setting out to do. My question is why? Mark Fields' compensation is not out of line for his position, if you compare salaries of people in his position in other large corporations. You expect him to bite the bullet, and take less to help Ford? It doesn't work that way. It wouldn't help Ford, anyway. His salary is just a drop in the bucket to a corporation which has annual sales in the hundred billion dollar range. If your team needs a good free agent to get them over the hump, you have to be willing to pay the price. There is no salary cap. Iacocca took a $1 a year salary at Chrysler, plus shares, when they were in trouble. I believe that he ended up making way more than if he had just taken, say, 5 million a year. Your report is like cotton candy. It looks good, but there is no substance.

 

There are plenty of leftists in the media. The left has a lock on Hollywood movie stars. Movie stars are also media. I do not know what acting has to do with politics. Maybe I do. Democratic candidates change positions more times than highly paid prostitutes, and prostitutes are also acting. Who will believe what someone says just because he saw him or her on a movie screen? Someone of low intelligence. Who do these movie idol political "activists" support, for the most part? Democrats. Do you believe that they are doing it for free? Therefore, what is the Democrats' voter base? It is people of low intelligence.

 

I could keep rambling on. I have many more points; but what is the point? I am not getting paid, and who will read it? Anyway, if I have not addressed all of your points, tell me which ones that you want me to address, and I will.

 

What "QUESTIONS" are you talking about? It must have been on another thread. I write so much stuff on this forum, that it is hard for me to keep track of it all. Anyway, I am not going to fall into your trap, and let you set the paramaters of this discussion. You say your piece, and I will say mine.

 

Get back to me. I'm here. I'm waiting.

Edited November 30, 2006 by Trimdingman

[skilled2go]

how many times do we have to discuss this...

 

he makes 3 mil plus plane fare.

 

If he made 4mil per year and no plane fare nothing would be said. Its a benefit... just like you have a pension and dental. Do you have any idea how much those benefits are worth as a percentage of your check?

Thank you.Very well put. At least Bill Ford had the guts to hire people who were not afraid to make these strong decisions. With Mark Fields and the new CEO, Alan M. I think we are on the right track. Have some faith and be grateful for the high wages and nice benifits that we have, or if you are leaving, had. It provides a damn nice lifestyle. :happy feet: :happy feet: :shades:

[J-150]

Thank you.Very well put. At least Bill Ford had the guts to hire people who were not afraid to make these strong decisions. With Mark Fields and the new CEO, Alan M. I think we are on the right track. Have some faith and be grateful for the high wages and nice benifits that we have, or if you are leaving, had. It provides a damn nice lifestyle. :happy feet: :happy feet: :shades:

 

 

I agree. Because of the sad state of the finances, my gut says that Alan and Mark have free reign with no interference from the family. Just what the company needs right now.