2009 F150 5.4l POWER LEAKED!!

[igor]

http://jalopnik.com/391114/2009-ford-f+150...-on-to-internet

 

320 horses at 5,200-rpm and 390 lb-ft of torque at 3,500-rpm

 

Igor

[Sherminator98]

So the 4.4L Diesel will be:

 

350 HP/450 lg-ft Torque giving you about 24 MPG if the new F-150 gets 20 MPG

[Sparks]

This should be a decent powertrain to compete for a year. It compares pretty favorably against what chevy has to offer (main competition).

 

2008 F150 5.4l (4-speed auto)

300hp @ 5000

365tq @ 3750

13 / 17 - city/hwy

 

2008 Silverado 6.0l MAX (6-speed auto)

367hp @ 5500

375tq @ 4300

13 / 18 - city/hwy

 

2009 F150 5.4l (6-speed auto)

320hp @ 5200

390tq @ 3500

14 / 19 - city/hwy (is 1 mpg city and 2 hwy too much to ask of the new tranny?)

 

If the above is true, we'll be down on hp, but up on tq and up on fuel economy. That should hold us over for a year.

 

EDIT:

 

I should probably throw in the 5.3l from chevy even though its not the top engine.

 

2008 Silverado 5.3 (4-speed auto)

315hp @ 5200

338tq @ 4400

15 / 20 city/hwy

 

It would be nice to see Ford match these MPG numbers since this is a more common engine for the Silverado and Ford trumps this engine on hp, tq, and a better Transmission.

Edited May 16, 2008 by Sparks

[theoldwizard]

http://jalopnik.com/391114/2009-ford-f+150...-on-to-internet

 

320 horses at 5,200-rpm and 390 lb-ft of torque at 3,500-rpm

 

Igor

Rut-Row ! I smell a "defeat device" investigation coming from the EPA !

 

The 5.4-L V8 uses Ford's new 'open valve injection' technology. As the name suggests, open valve injection injects fuel into the cylinders while the intake valves are open (instead of closed like during conventional combustion cycles). The incoming air improves the mixture of air and fuel before the 'charge' is ignited. Ford says the result is increased horsepower during towing, higher RPMs, and an improvement in emissions from the more efficient burn.

 

While injecting on open valves improves your power, the reason you don't is that bad for emissions. (I don't but the part about improving emission. If it did, open valve injection would be done all of the time)

 

Sooooooo, if this open valve injection is only done during an operating mode that never occurs during the EPA cycle (like towing or high RPM), it is certainly grounds for investigation. Who knows, they might squeak by !

 

I worked there there long enough to see Ford get caught not once, but twice (over 15 years apart) for the "lean cruise" defeat device.

Edited May 16, 2008 by theoldwizard

[blazerdude20]

the power for the 4.6l 3v, 292 hp and 320 ft/tq. wonder what the mpg is on this engine? hopefully 20-21 hwy

 

[atomaro]

If only the 4.6 had power a little lower in the powerband.

[old_fairmont_wagon]

With the MODs, the last thing I'd worry about is emissions testing. The mod has always done extremely well in that catagory. As for the 4.6L 3V, remember, that plant's been in the Explorer V8 for a few years now (not to mention other high profile setups using the engine with different trannies). I don't think it's got any issues to worry about either. The other thing I find impressive is that the 4.6L isn't really that far behind GMs 5.3L in the total output department. It'll be interesting when the 5.0L starts to show up in the Ford truck lineup in a few years.

[V8 Ford]

This should be a decent powertrain to compete for a year. It compares pretty favorably against what chevy has to offer (main competition).

 

2008 F150 5.4l (4-speed auto)

300hp @ 5000

365tq @ 3750

13 / 17 - city/hwy

 

2008 Silverado 6.0l MAX (6-speed auto)

367hp @ 5500

375tq @ 4300

13 / 18 - city/hwy

 

2009 F150 5.4l (6-speed auto)

320hp @ 5200

390tq @ 3500

14 / 19 - city/hwy (is 1 mpg city and 2 hwy too much to ask of the new tranny?)

 

If the above is true, we'll be down on hp, but up on tq and up on fuel economy. That should hold us over for a year.

 

EDIT:

 

I should probably throw in the 5.3l from chevy even though its not the top engine.

 

2008 Silverado 5.3 (4-speed auto)

315hp @ 5200

338tq @ 4400

15 / 20 city/hwy

 

It would be nice to see Ford match these MPG numbers since this is a more common engine for the Silverado and Ford trumps this engine on hp, tq, and a better Transmission.

Is the Ford 5.4 really comparable to the Chevy 6.0? The Ford 5.4 and Chevy 5.3 are both available on all trim levels and configurations, and cost about the same ($1645 upgrade from 4.2 V6 to 5.4 for Ford, $1545 upgrade from 4.3L V6 to 5.3 for Chevy). The 6.0 is only available on the top trim levels and is a $1000 upgrade over the Chevy 5.3. The boss 6.2 is Ford's answer to the Chevy 6.0, although it's pretty cool that Ford's new 5.4 will apparently have more torque than Chevy's more expensive premium engine and that all but the entry level 4.6 2v will have 6 speed transmissions.

Edited May 16, 2008 by V8 Ford

[RichardJensen]

I think it's funny that Ford's 5.4L has a trivially lower torque peak (2.8%) than the much ballyhooed 5.7L Toyota 'iForce', despite a 7% smaller displacement and 8 fewer valves.

 

Boat anchor indeed.

 

It flat stomps the LS3. So long, thanks for playing.

Edited May 16, 2008 by RichardJensen

[V8-X]

Replied to an identical post in the F-Series forum.

 

Good increase and with the 6spd it should produce plenty of power, well at least for me. The '06 5.4L/4spd I own has plenty to get me by.

 

Now the only gas motors I show the F150 behind in lb-ft is the Tundra 5.7L & '09 Ram 5.7L. They are only ahead of the Titan & 5.3L GM twins in HP figures though, which I personally think the 317hp the Nissan 5.6L produces is underated.

Edited May 16, 2008 by V8-X

[RichardJensen]

Although, in all fairness, those hp peaks are kind of meaningless.... Trucks almost never rev that high in daily use, and if Ford's torque curve is as flat as it's been, Ford's engine will be producing more HP all the way up to the torque peak. In fact, the boat anchor will probably be making more hp and torque than the iForce up to 2 grand, given the difference in torque curves.

[RichardJensen]

And, once more, three cheers for the boat anchor!!!!! More powerful than the 6.0L LS3, more fuel efficient than the iForce!!!

 

Good ol' boat anchor!

Edited May 16, 2008 by RichardJensen

[Deanh]

And, once more, three cheers for the boat anchor!!!!! More powerful than the 6.0L LS3, more fuel efficient than the iForce & Hemi!!!

 

Good ol' boat anchor!

very competitive...now where are all the naysayers from posts past?

[RichardJensen]

very competitive...now where are all the naysayers from posts past?

Oh, they'll be around to bellyache about the HP number, oblivious to the fact that all that extra hp is useless, as it comes well past 4 grand, oblivious to the fact that an engine with that much torque will be producing far more hp all the way up to the torque peak, and likely some ways beyond it.

 

And granted, the HP number isn't that impressive, but then again, this is a truck engine, and that just doesn't matter much.

 

You see, HP is a number derived from torque. An engine producing more torque at a given RPM will be producing more HP at that RPM. As long as your truck is operating within a normal range (say up to about 3 grand), your boat anchor will be more powerful than any engine except the more thirsty iForce. And it will give up precious little to that one.

Edited May 16, 2008 by RichardJensen

[Deanh]

Oh, they'll be around to bellyache about the HP number, oblivious to the fact that all that extra hp is useless, as it comes well past 4 grand, oblivious to the fact that an engine with that much torque will be producing far more hp all the way up to the torque peak, and likely some ways beyond it.

 

And granted, the HP number isn't that impressive, but then again, this is a truck engine, and that just doesn't matter much.

 

You see, HP is a number derived from torque. An engine producing more torque at a given RPM will be producing more HP at that RPM. As long as your truck is operating within a normal range (say up to about 3 grand), your boat anchor will be more powerful than any engine except the more thirsty iForce. And it will give up precious little to that one.

calling P71, Milm, PC, LOL.....where for art thou?.game on boyz! ( apologies to the half full guys that may have been excluded from the list ).

[Ford-150]

And, once more, three cheers for the boat anchor!!!!! More powerful than the 6.0L LS3, more fuel efficient than the iForce!!!

 

Good ol' boat anchor!

you need to stop saying LS3.

 

the LS3 is a 6.2L and is far more powerful than the 5.4L in N/A form

 

you are mistaken it with the Vortec 6000 L76 that is the 6.0L option available in the GMT900(Sliverado/Sierra)

[RichardJensen]

AFAIK, LS3 is the current family of Chevy 'small blocks'...

[Sixt9coug]

very competitive...now where are all the naysayers from posts past?

 

 

Fine..... ill do it

 

"Bubububu how many thymes r u goeing to hafe to pule a sparke plig oot of de heds and see its braked?"

 

 

 

 

Im actually more impressed with the specs on the 4.6L, I mean, thats whats shown above it in the photo of the guide right? 320lbs ft and 292 hp for a 4.6L truck engine? Its about damn time!

[Deanh]

Fine..... ill do it

 

"Bubububu how many thymes r u goeing to hafe to pule a sparke plig oot of de heds and see its braked?"

 

 

 

 

Im actually more impressed with the specs on the 4.6L, I mean, thats whats shown above it in the photo of the guide right? 320lbs ft and 292 hp for a 4.6L truck engine? Its about damn time!

those 4.6 numbers are pretty close to the current 5.4...add the 6 speed and it would not surprize me if it actually out performs the current 5.4...good job ford....shame about them sparkplugs though....

[focus05]

Is this 5.4 proliferating across the line-up? Super Duty, Expedition/Navigator, E-series? Is the 4.6 going into the Explorer?

[V8 Ford]

those 4.6 numbers are pretty close to the current 5.4...add the 6 speed and it would not surprize me if it actually out performs the current 5.4...good job ford....shame about them sparkplugs though....

Will it be able to do a brakestand? If an auto journalist can't abuse the rear tires on a media car, you know it's a failure.

[Deanh]

Will it be able to do a brakestand? If an auto journalist can't abuse the rear tires on a media car, you know it's a failure.

especially since they are ignorant to the fact that Fords ECMs are configured to EASE the throttle by wire inputs..........

Edited May 16, 2008 by Deanh

[Ford-150]

AFAIK, LS3 is the current family of Chevy 'small blocks'...

sorry about the confusion then

[Blueblood]

And, once more, three cheers for the boat anchor!!!!! More powerful than the 6.0L LS3, more fuel efficient than the iForce!!!

 

Good ol' boat anchor!

 

Remember what matters is what it puts down to the wheels, but you probably don't know what that means so I'll just forget about it..

[RichardJensen]

Remember what matters is what it puts down to the wheels, but you probably don't know what that means so I'll just forget about it..

Right. Which is why you persisted in calling the previous iteration a 'boat anchor' knowing full good and well it was hampered by the transmission.