CoolScoop

Check your dora or order summary. Order type will either say Retail (customer order) or Stock (dealer order). A retail order will also list the customers name and have a priority code between 10 and 19. Retail orders shouldn't show up in a dealers inventory. It's not uncommon for a dealer to place a customer order as a stock order, not sure why they do that though.

Sounds like they placed it as a dealer order instead of a retail order in your name?

http://www.ozadventure4x4.com.au/blog/suspension-setup-heavy-duty-rake/ Best explanation I could find...

IMO, the Aviator is the sharpest looking SUV on the planet... inside and out... from any angle and by any brand and no matter the cost. There really isn't even a close second... congrats and enjoy the experience!!!

I don't get it... seems like even the retail orders after OK to buy are being delayed due to the same quality issues. Why did they issue OKTB on both models if they didn't get the 5 (?) consecutive production days in a row without QC issues. Why did they start building retail orders with known production defects?

https://www.autoblog.com/2019/09/16/2020-ford-explorer-lincoln-aviator-quality-control-issues/ This report is even more critical than freep's and also talks about what people on some forums are saying, including a quote from this forum.

Just downloaded the Explorer owners manual (2nd printing) and Homelink operation is described on page 157.

Congrats... Expeditions are awesome and you won't regret it. We put 160K trouble free miles on our '98 1st Gen and traded it for our current 2nd Gen. Great vacation vehicle for long road trips!! I got the 3K Expy only personel cash offer also and thought hard about getting a 3rd Gen instead of ordering an Aviator, but couldn't locate a '19 equipped like we wanted.

I can vouch for that... our 2010 Fusion Hybrid was purchased new in August of 2019. So it's 10 years old with 130K miles and no sign of battery degradation yet.... and It has the old style NIMH batteries.

This is just an observation and not an opinion... I love Honda quality when it comes to powersports and outdoor power equipment and I've had two Honda cars in the past. But I'm a Ford guy who's had a bunch of them over there years and with five currently in the stable. That said, our 2010 Fusion Hybrid made in Mexico had the best build quality inside and out of any vehicle we've ever owned. Zero build issues... better than "Japanese" build quality.

It appears retail orders are also stuck in production limbo even after OKTB was given for both models. Did they discover some serious design and/or plant issues after OKTB... is keeping everyone in the dark, including dealers, the best way to handle it... are UFOs real... will we ever know the truth.

I know there were problems with those produced before OK TO BUY, but haven't they been worked out by now... or are flawed units still rolling of the line to the repair lots? Are retail orders being shipped or have they canceled the OKTB due to ongoing problems?

I don't recall the F150, Super Duty and Expedition/Navigator launches going this poorly and they all switched to aluminum bodies with complicated riveted/glued assembly and additional paint prep requirements.

Maybe they should keep it really simple to make it easy to understand... like Big Bronco and Little Bronco or Gas Mustang and Electric Mustang.

There are some desirable side benefits to autostop... super duty starter, long life corrosion proof AGM battery, better bearings and special antifriction coatings throughout the engine, electric pump in the trany to maintain pressure while the eingine is off, HVAC refinements, etc. We have no problem switching between our one vehicle that has it and the others that don't. It's an older model with crude starts and stops, but we don't even notice it anymore.

Yep... I have a red 03 Mach 1.

The 5th generation Mustang would have made the best retro Mach 1 by far... they should have waited two years to usher in the 5th Gen with a limited run of Mach's instead of finishing out the 4th gen with it. That "cool" shaker hood "scoop" would have looked awesome on a 5th gen!!!

When you oder the entertainment system it says this... so they must have found some other place to put it!!! I'm hoping the order bank is still correct.

Steady declines for the three correspond almost exactly to the steady Ranger increase since 2018...

What's far more interesting to me is the steady decline in Tacoma, Colorado and Frontier sales that correspond to the steady increase in the new Ranger sales since its introduction.

This pole isn't even close to reality...there's absolutely no way the Ford F-Series could be the number one selling truck for 42 years straight with only 27% brand loyalty. If anything, it's the other way around.

The ultimate Wrangler beating Bronco variant would be a Raptor!!!

I'm getting a Grand Touring so it hasn't been scheduled yet. But my order sheet says "Lincoln Play with DVD", so it should be like the Navigators system but with a built-in DVD player in one of the screens.

Congrats... anticipation is the fun part of ordering a vehicle!

You seem to think that increasing the battery capacity by 25% or more and motor size by 50% or more would be an insignificant increase in the physical size, weight and price for these components when in reality the differences are absolutely huge. Batteries are heavy and electric motors weigh even more... so let's put it in perspective for the Aviator. Since the electric and gas motors both go through the transmission we won't count the weight of the drive train. So let's compare the weight of the PRIMARY gas system to the weight of the SECONDARY electric system... the engine weighs 440 pounds and the fuel tank with 18 gallons of gas weighs approx 180 pounds, putting the total for the gas system at 620 pounds. But the GT weighs 781 pounds more than the AWD Aviator, the battery weighs 298 pounds and the electric motor plus the batteries liquid heating/cooling system add another 483 pounds. So the Aviators hybrid system already weighs 161 pounds MORE than the primary gas system and you can't understand why it isn't even bigger. What you keep wishing for would add hundreds of pounds, take away interior space and add thousands of dollars to the Grand Touring... but fortunately, the Lincoln design team did their homework and made all the right choices and compromises to give us the ULTIMATE luxury performance SUV!!!