BUSH the EVIL hypocrite!

[dark270]

hey did anyone catch the bush crap on tv ???

 

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/01/31/bush.sotu/index.html

 

he said we have to ditch the imported oil....etc.....

 

why?? we import everything else??? what a hypocrite!!!

said we have to ditchthe imported oil from unstbale countries....but yet the imports from chine/japan are 'stable'??? GEEEZ

[methos]

hey did anyone catch the bush crap on tv ???

 

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/01/31/bush.sotu/index.html

 

he said we have to ditch the imported oil....etc.....

 

why?? we import everything else??? what a hypocrite!!!

said we have to ditchthe imported oil from unstbale countries....but yet the imports from chine/japan are 'stable'??? GEEEZ

 

 

It's another classic example, at least in my opinion of why Bush is the worst president this country has ever had. Oil prices could reach four to five bucks a gallon if diplomacy continues to fail in the uranium talks with Iran; therefore, our dependence on places like the middle-east is becoming a concern.

 

To understand the situation more, we have to hearken back to Bush's infamous axis of evil speech when he likened Iran, Iraq, and finally North Korea all members. Of course immediately after N. Korea boots IAEA inspectors and begins uranium enrichment, which still continues. Now instead of one or two bombs, they are likely to have several more with enough uranium to make a lot more. Moreover, nothing still is being done about the matter. He invades Iraq, and several hundred billion dollars later the place is even less safe to Americans. Meanwhile, after the speech, Iran redoubles its efforts to aquire the "bomb" given the increased hostile stance of the U.S. I do not know what he hoped to acheive in that speech, but one thing is certain - the results. It has been a catastrophe.

Edited February 1, 2006 by methos

[Trimdingman]

It's another classic example, at least in my opinion of why Bush is the worst president this country has ever had. Oil prices could reach four to five bucks a gallon if diplomacy continues to fail in the uranium talks with Iran; therefore, our dependence on places like the middle-east is becoming a concern.

 

To understand the situation more, we have to hearken back to Bush's infamous axis of evil speech when he likened Iran, Iraq, and finally North Korea all members. Of course immediately after N. Korea boots IAEA inspectors and begins uranium enrichment, which still continues. Now instead of one or two bombs, they are likely to have several more with enough uranium to make a lot more. Moreover, nothing still is being done about the matter. He invades Iraq, and several hundred billion dollars later the place is even less safe to Americans. Meanwhile, after the speech, Iran redoubles its efforts to aquire the "bomb" given the increased hostile stance of the U.S. I do not know what he hoped to acheive in that speech, but one thing is certain - the results. It has been a catastrophe.

 

 

These countries have always been our enemies. We are finally starting to fight back. We should have done this 30 years ago. Our policy of looking the other way has gotten us into a serious war, just like what happened when we were hoping that Hitler would go away. The terrorists have now got a tiger by the tail and are using the only two weapons they have left, suicide bombers, and the Democratic Party. They do not have much.

Edited February 1, 2006 by Trimdingman

[cal50]

It's another classic example, at least in my opinion of why Bush is the worst president this country has ever had. Oil prices could reach four to five bucks a gallon if diplomacy continues to fail in the uranium talks with Iran; therefore, our dependence on places like the middle-east is becoming a concern.

 

He calls Iran, Iraq, and finally North Korea all members of an axis of evil. Of course immediately after N. Korea boots IAEA inspectors and begins uranium enrichment, which still continues. Now instead of one or two bombs, they are likely to have several more with enough uranium to make a lot more. Moreover, nothing still is being done about the matter. He invades Iraq, and several hundred billion dollars later the place is even less safe to Americans. Meanwhile, after the speech, Iran redoubles its efforts to aquire the "bomb" given the increased hostile stance of the U.S. I do not know what he hoped to acheive in that speech, but one thing is certain - the results. It has been a catastrophe.

 

 

 

Perhaps you want Jimmy Carter back in office? If you want to pick the "worst" define the criteria.

Oil is $4 or more in some countries. Since the U.S. in no longer the biggest user prices will continue to rise unless consumption or demand decreases. Korea has nukes with a limited delivery system. Unless they have enough to totally destroy the U.S. they know that if any were used it would guarantee the end of the Korean race or at least no more N Korea. Their program was running full speed on Clintons watch. You can also thank Clinton and Motorola for selling the Chinese technology for more accurate missile guidance.

Detroit is more dangerous than Iraq.

Iran will have nukes at some point. They have purchased material and help from Russia and China. Unless you want to knock them down say like Iraq they will join the ranks of N Korea. Some nuke weapons with no delivery system, at least to our back yard. The Koreans are saber rattling. The Iranians are just nuts in my opinion. If you believe the holocaust never happened and Israel should be driven into the sea you don't have much to reason with. Since you’re so opposed to the Iraq field trip I doubt you have the temperament to handle Iran and they will be a problem in the near future.

 

(Carter was the worst BTW)

Unless you had money in the bank. Thanks Jimmy for the 11 3/4% interest rates.

[J-150]

he wants us buying Alaskan oil, the stuff being drilled by the companies he owns stock in.

[Trimdingman]

The only way to defeat these guys is either to give them Democracy, or wipe them out. Being a humane society, we are trying to do the former. They want to wipe us out.

[Imawhosure]

I see, I see!!!!

 

So then, let us get this straight, if Saddamn would still be in power, Iran would NOT be trying to get nuclear weapons. Very interesting concept.

 

Also, they would not share this with him, or would not attempt to take over Iraq through war......again. Also, very interesting.

 

Ever hear of the domino theory????? Well, this is that theory reversed!!!! Instead of countrys falling under the communist umbrella, they fall into the democracy fold. Instead of just Israel and the Sauds, we now have Iraq and Afghanastan too, with a few more cozying up over there.

 

It is funny really, as more fall, the more people bitch. If it was going in the other direction, we certainly would be in deep-doo. The long term picture is much brighter as more countrys are freed, especially when they have stuff we need and/or want.

 

You may despise Bush for it; and even I am not comfortable with the death toll there, although I would not be comfortable with even 1. And yet, the theory is sound. Is it better to have more countrys with freedom in common against a smaller number, or vice-versa? Is it better to have a base of operations in the heart of the enemy for quick response purposes; in other words have a military that can act decisevely within 24hrs or not, making the enemy reconsider doing anything remotely stupid?

 

These questions are out of our realm of our expertise and will probably be left for historians to answer when all the facts and ramifications of these events are fully clear. As far as Bush being evil, lolol, I think not. If everyone in this country thought that not sharing the same opinion on choices was the work of the devil, we too would be some sort of extremist, religious, country.

 

Yes, it is true some of the world views us that way. And yet, I am for certain if the roles were reversed in this particular instance, we would all be forced to learn the Khoran, and very, very quickly. In Iraq that is not happening, therefore as far as I am concerned, their suggestion has no merit!!!! If living under the rule of Saddamn were better, the Iraqies would be fleeing to Iran and Syria; but they aren't. What you see is the extremists from those countrys coming to Iraq to prevent their freedom from happening, keeping them under religious rule. To me, that in itself tells us we are correct in our actions, although many of us do not appreciate how it was done, or the cost. As an American, I can accept that debate without arguement since opinions differ. But as an American, I can't believe anyone would say the premise is wrong for being there!

[Trimdingman]

Edited February 27, 2006 by Trimdingman

[captamrica]

[/u]oops eveything I wrote just dissapeared guess somebody did not like what I said about Bush. Oh well!

Edited February 1, 2006 by Captamrica

[Trimdingman]

Edited February 27, 2006 by Trimdingman

[Trimdingman]

Edited February 27, 2006 by Trimdingman

[methos]

The American victory over the War on Terror will go down in history as the greatest American victory since the Revolutionary War. Do you want your great-grandchildren to think of you as a traitor, and stain your whole family tree? THINK.

 

 

<methos> <----laughs

 

 

Ok, I envision some stains, or more like lumps, but I will not comment any further - there is no point.

[captamrica]

The Kennedies, and other rich liberals own lots of oil stock. The Bushes have more than enough money. After having 2 family members as presidents, it seems clear to me that they are more interested in going down in history as having done something good for the country, than making more money. ( I am Canadian, by the way. I am also a geneology buff. GWB is my 10th cousin, once removed.)

Oh God he's Canadian, no wondering he's screwing us. He's laying the ground work for a Canadian invasion with all our military oversees our manufacturing base in ruin will never be able to defend ourselves. :lol: :lol:

 

That was an attempt at humor.

 

Many our correct in their opinions, after all they are opinions. Which is one of the things that make this country great, you can have one and express it freely (opinion that is). I don't think this is a case of republican and democrate, liberal and conservative. It's more and more becoming rich and poor thing and unfortunately we as parents and grandparents are partly to blame. Somewhere in our struggle for the American dream our children missed the lesson of loyalty and hard work. This is never more evident then in the rich and affluent, which is where our choices in elected leaders lie.

 

The generation that is today running our companies did not build it, as their grandfathers did. They have led a life of privlage, and feel no connection or obligation to anyone other then the stock holders to which most all their family's money lies. They look at the very people that gave them their life as an expense and a liability. Our elected leaders travel in the same circles as these corporate leaders. As long as they display no loyalty to their employees how can they expect loyalty and hardwork from our children. Even if we try to teach it to them through both word and example, They see their parents being dumped on by they very company they devoted their lives and ambitions to, actions still speak louder then words. When the food gets scarce the things you do and say become harder to believe.

 

Change must come through the very same place as it has been coming from, the government. The things that have been happening to us are a direct result of legislation passed by our elected leaders that protect their friends and familes while eroding our way of life. This is not socialistic propaganda. Somewhere public service got changed to public services. I think it was Stalin who once said that no one will be able to defeat America, they will defeat themselves, and that's what we're doing and the weapon of chioce, GREED.

 

Those who forget the past are destined to repeat it. God bless all and good luck in the days ahead.

Edited February 1, 2006 by Captamrica

[methos]

I see, I see!!!!

 

So then, let us get this straight, if Saddamn would still be in power, Iran would NOT be trying to get nuclear weapons. Very interesting concept.

 

Also, they would not share this with him, or would not attempt to take over Iraq through war......again. Also, very interesting.

 

Ever hear of the domino theory????? Well, this is that theory reversed!!!! Instead of countrys falling under the communist umbrella, they fall into the democracy fold. Instead of just Israel and the Sauds, we now have Iraq and Afghanastan too, with a few more cozying up over there.

 

It is funny really, as more fall, the more people bitch. If it was going in the other direction, we certainly would be in deep-doo. The long term picture is much brighter as more countrys are freed, especially when they have stuff we need and/or want.

 

You may despise Bush for it; and even I am not comfortable with the death toll there, although I would not be comfortable with even 1. And yet, the theory is sound. Is it better to have more countrys with freedom in common against a smaller number, or vice-versa? Is it better to have a base of operations in the heart of the enemy for quick response purposes; in other words have a military that can act decisevely within 24hrs or not, making the enemy reconsider doing anything remotely stupid?

 

These questions are out of our realm of our expertise and will probably be left for historians to answer when all the facts and ramifications of these events are fully clear. As far as Bush being evil, lolol, I think not. If everyone in this country thought that not sharing the same opinion on choices was the work of the devil, we too would be some sort of extremist, religious, country.

 

Yes, it is true some of the world views us that way. And yet, I am for certain if the roles were reversed in this particular instance, we would all be forced to learn the Khoran, and very, very quickly. In Iraq that is not happening, therefore as far as I am concerned, their suggestion has no merit!!!! If living under the rule of Saddamn were better, the Iraqies would be fleeing to Iran and Syria; but they aren't. What you see is the extremists from those countrys coming to Iraq to prevent their freedom from happening, keeping them under religious rule. To me, that in itself tells us we are correct in our actions, although many of us do not appreciate how it was done, or the cost. As an American, I can accept that debate without arguement since opinions differ. But as an American, I can't believe anyone would say the premise is wrong for being there!

 

 

Suadi Arabia free? That's news to me. I thought it was an autocracy. The only reason Afganistan is free is because of NATO troops. Democracy requires a helluva lot more than elections.

 

I hope it works out in Iraq, however, that is yet to be determined, and I stand by my statement that it is less safe for the american people due to the terrorism than before the invasion. Bush admitted as much in his speech, that it is now a hub a terrorism, which wasn't true when we entered, but now it certainly is. I doubt with all the killings that Iraqi's view us with any affection, and just because they are voting doesn't mean they will end up with any democracy. Again, democracy requires a lot more than elections.

 

As far as a domino theory, more countries seem to be slipping away from democracy towards some form of hybrid communism; for instance, South America.

[captamrica]

Suadi Arabia free? That's news to me. I thought it was an autocracy. The only reason Afganistan is free is because of NATO troops. Democracy requires a helluva lot more than elections.

 

I hope it works out in Iraq, however, that is yet to be determined, and I stand by my statement that it is less safe for the american people due to the terrorism than before the invasion. Bush admitted as much in his speech, that it is now a hub a terrorism, which wasn't true when we entered, but now it certainly is. I doubt with all the killings that Iraqi's view us with any affection, and just because they are voting doesn't mean they will end up with any democracy. Again, democracy requires a lot more than elections.

 

As far as a domino theory, more countries seem to be slipping away from democracy towards some form of hybrid communism; for instance, South America.

 

Being a democracy doesn't come with any guarantees they will be American friendly. Welcome the new Palestine now with a fresh new democracy run by one of the biggest terrorist organizations in the world. Yee haa. Bet ya Isreal feels safer now.

[dark270]

It's another classic example, at least in my opinion of why Bush is the worst president this country has ever had. Oil prices could reach four to five bucks a gallon if diplomacy continues to fail in the uranium talks with Iran; therefore, our dependence on places like the middle-east is becoming a concern.

 

To understand the situation more, we have to hearken back to Bush's infamous axis of evil speech when he likened Iran, Iraq, and finally North Korea all members. Of course immediately after N. Korea boots IAEA inspectors and begins uranium enrichment, which still continues. Now instead of one or two bombs, they are likely to have several more with enough uranium to make a lot more. Moreover, nothing still is being done about the matter. He invades Iraq, and several hundred billion dollars later the place is even less safe to Americans. Meanwhile, after the speech, Iran redoubles its efforts to aquire the "bomb" given the increased hostile stance of the U.S. I do not know what he hoped to acheive in that speech, but one thing is certain - the results. It has been a catastrophe.

 

 

HOW do we know this information is accurate? remember what he said about iraq?? well cant trust anything he says!!

 

 

The Kennedies, and other rich liberals own lots of oil stock. The Bushes have more than enough money. After having 2 family members as presidents, it seems clear to me that they are more interested in going down in history as having done something good for the country, than making more money. ( I am Canadian, by the way. I am also a geneology buff. GWB is my 10th cousin, once removed.)

HUH?? what has he done good for this country??

[methos]

Perhaps you want Jimmy Carter back in office? If you want to pick the "worst" define the criteria.

Oil is $4 or more in some countries. Since the U.S. in no longer the biggest user prices will continue to rise unless consumption or demand decreases. Korea has nukes with a limited delivery system. Unless they have enough to totally destroy the U.S. they know that if any were used it would guarantee the end of the Korean race or at least no more N Korea. Their program was running full speed on Clintons watch. You can also thank Clinton and Motorola for selling the Chinese technology for more accurate missile guidance.

Detroit is more dangerous than Iraq.

Iran will have nukes at some point. They have purchased material and help from Russia and China. Unless you want to knock them down say like Iraq they will join the ranks of N Korea. Some nuke weapons with no delivery system, at least to our back yard. The Koreans are saber rattling. The Iranians are just nuts in my opinion. If you believe the holocaust never happened and Israel should be driven into the sea you don't have much to reason with. Since you’re so opposed to the Iraq field trip I doubt you have the temperament to handle Iran and they will be a problem in the near future.

 

(Carter was the worst BTW)

Unless you had money in the bank. Thanks Jimmy for the 11 3/4% interest rates.

 

North Korea is working on the Taep'o-dong-2, which is capable of hitting U.S. targets. There program was halted under Clinton and their facilities were being monitored by IAEA inspectors, however, after the "axis of evil" speech, they tore off the seals and ripped out the cameras and went full tilt on producing more weapons, and they have been doing so ever since. Unlike Clinton, Bush has done nothing substantive in stopping them, unless you consider ignoring them while trying to get multilateral talks going substantive?

 

This is a country whose leader just cancelled all international aid. He is purposely trying to starve a large portion of his people - thinning the herd? He is going to kill of millions much like he did in the 90's. Folks thought Saddam was bad? What is amazing is that Bush incites this moron and does nothing while he builds and perfects his stockpile of WMD. Am I wrong here? Did I overlook something? If this guy is willing to kill millions of his own, do you think it impossible he wouldn't launch an attack? Perhaps he gets cancer, and he knows he does not have long -what if he decides to take a few million americans with him?

 

What are the choices now though? He has more bombs and better missle systems that are capable of hitting Japan and S Korea. Hitting them with force would cost millions of lives, so there really is no option but to negotiate, so why incite them? Even worse after inciting them why ignore them only to watch them build even more weapon systems and do nothing?

[Trimdingman]

Oh God he's Canadian, no wondering he's screwing us. He's laying the ground work for a Canadian invasion with all our military oversees our manufacturing base in ruin will never be able to defend ourselves. :lol: :lol:

 

That was an attempt at humor.

 

Many our correct in their opinions, after all they are opinions. Which is one of the things that make this country great, you can have one and express it freely (opinion that is). I don't think this is a case of republican and democrate, liberal and conservative. It's more and more becoming rich and poor thing and unfortunately we as parents and grandparents are partly to blame. Somewhere in our struggle for the American dream our children missed the lesson of loyalty and hard work. This is never more evident then in the rich and affluent, which is where our choices in elected leaders lie.

 

The generation that is today running our companies did not build it, as their grandfathers did. They have led a life of privlage, and feel no connection or obligation to anyone other then the stock holders to which most all their family's money lies. They look at the very people that gave them their life as an expense and a liability. Our elected leaders travel in the same circles as these corporate leaders. As long as they display no loyalty to their employees how can they expect loyalty and hardwork from our children. Even if we try to teach it to them through both word and example, They see their parents being dumped on by they very company they devoted their lives and ambitions to, actions still speak louder then words. When the food gets scarce the things you do and say become harder to believe.

 

Change must come through the very same place as it has been coming from, the government. The things that have been happening to us are a direct result of legislation passed by our elected leaders that protect their friends and familes while eroding our way of life. This is not socialistic propaganda. Somewhere public service got changed to public services. I think it was Stalin who once said that no one will be able to defeat America, they will defeat themselves, and that's what we're doing and the weapon of chioce, GREED.

 

Those who forget the past are destined to repeat it. God bless all and good luck in the days ahead.

 

 

Being an American citizen does not automaticly guarantee you instant prosperity. All it does is remove many of the obstacles that would be in place if you were living under a totalitarian socialist regime. The American pie is there for anyone who wants a slice. Go for it.

[Footballfan]

Perhaps you want Jimmy Carter back in office? If you want to pick the "worst" define the criteria.

 

(Carter was the worst BTW)

Unless you had money in the bank. Thanks Jimmy for the 11 3/4% interest rates.

 

At least Carter had some degree of integrity and honesty unlike this clown we have in office now. Carter inherited a mess from the Nixon administration, and after Carter left, Interest rates jumed to 17% under Regan.

[Trimdingman]

<methos> <----laughs

Ok, I envision some stains, or more like lumps, but I will not comment any further - there is no point.

 

 

Don't look now, but the liberals are slowly crawling to the centre. They know that we are winning the war and are hoping you have a short memory.

Edited February 2, 2006 by Trimdingman

[butthead]

The Bush family and friends own 3 refineries in Tx. They are all being re-worked and the first is expected to be on line in 2008. they will be able to refine both sour from the mid east and sweet from Tx. The third will be an ethanol plant scheduled for 2012.

 

Do you think Bill Ford Jr. who is also a HYPROCRITE is involved in this venture? The deck is stacked and the working class WILL lose.

[fmccap]

Just wondering if anyone heard when he said about manufacturing jobs, that it is a global market and we will be back on top. Mentioned about a "level playing field". Does that mean we have to go down to the chinese level and make 300 to 600 dollars a year.

[methos]

You will be dead, so what do you care what your offspring think of you, right? That is as much as could be expected of a liberal. The only way that you will be a hero to them is if we lose and they become Muslims. Is that what you want?

 

 

Liberal? Yes, and damn proud of it! Conservatives have run the U.S. for some time, does anyone see anything to be proud of?

 

I would hope that they look at me as I hope they look at all things - first analytically, and then critically. The problem with Bush and his supporters is their logic is always flawed, hence, their only recourse is ad hominem attacks.

[cal50]

North Korea is working on the Taep'o-dong-2, which is capable of hitting U.S. targets. There program was halted under Clinton and their facilities were being monitored by IAEA inspectors, however, after the "axis of evil" speech, they tore off the seals and ripped out the cameras and went full tilt on producing more weapons, and they have been doing so ever since. Unlike Clinton, Bush has done nothing substantive in stopping them, unless you consider ignoring them while trying to get multilateral talks going substantive?

 

This is a country whose leader just cancelled all international aid. He is purposely trying to starve a large portion of his people - thinning the herd? He is going to kill of millions much like he did in the 90's. Folks thought Saddam was bad? What is amazing is that Bush incites this moron and does nothing while he builds and perfects his stockpile of WMD. Am I wrong here? Did I overlook something? If this guy is willing to kill millions of his own, do you think it impossible he wouldn't launch an attack? Perhaps he gets cancer, and he knows he does not have long -what if he decides to take a few million americans with him?

 

What are the choices now though? He has more bombs and better missle systems that are capable of hitting Japan and S Korea. Hitting them with force would cost millions of lives, so there really is no option but to negotiate, so why incite them? Even worse after inciting them why ignore them only to watch them build even more weapon systems and do nothing?

 

 

If a nuke did touch down in the U.S. I hope it hits a liberal mecca like California or Massachusetts. I could do with say 48 states. Like in the cold war the "threat" or guarantee of mutual assured destruction is the checks and balances that make evil opponents play nice. In our case the U.S. could destroy at will any country or nation of our choosing. N Korea knows this and I do not deem them a threat. They can keep their few nukes and play with them on parade and wax them. If they ever fielded one it would be the end for them and they know it.

Iran is another story. They are not rational or reasonable. Kinda like your liberal self. Forget facts or reasonable decisions. These types can not be reasoned with period. The only solution is to take them out so they are not a threat. Most dictators starve,steal,rape and torture their own people at some time. I could give a rats ass about the well being of any militant. Liberals have no balls period to deal with real threats.

I always wondered are liberals born that way or is it learned? Is Cindy Sheehan your hero? You sound just like her is many ways.

[Pumpmaster]

If a nuke did touch down in the U.S. I hope it hits a liberal mecca like California or Massachusetts. I could do with say 48 states. Like in the cold war the "threat" or guarantee of mutual assured destruction is the checks and balances that make evil opponents play nice. In our case the U.S. could destroy at will any country or nation of our choosing. N Korea knows this and I do not deem them a threat. They can keep their few nukes and play with them on parade and wax them. If they ever fielded one it would be the end for them and they know it.

Iran is another story. They are not rational or reasonable. Kinda like your liberal self. Forget facts or reasonable decisions. These types can not be reasoned with period. The only solution is to take them out so they are not a threat. Most dictators starve,steal,rape and torture their own people at some time. I could give a rats ass about the well being of any militant. Liberals have no balls period to deal with real threats.

I always wondered are liberals born that way or is it learned? Is Cindy Sheehan your hero? You sound just like her is many ways.

 

Here's a really easy quiz for ya, cal: Name the only country in world history that's used nukes. Twice.

(Hint: it's surrounded by the peaceful countries of Canada, Mexico, and Cuba.)

 

Are you a "christian?"