silvrsvt Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 http://autos.msn.com/advice/CRArt.aspx?contentid=4024673 Unimpressive: MOST DISAPPOINTING Dodge Caliber/Jeep Compass These new wagon-like models scored worse in our testing than the Chrysler PT Cruiser, which hasn't been redesigned in five years. They share a platform, engine, and transmission, as well as multiple faults. Both have sluggish acceleration, lots of engine and road noise, and hampered visibility. Their poorly finished interiors reflect an unfortunate trend we've seen in other recent Chrysler vehicles. Toyota Yaris The Yaris offers excellent fuel economy and reliability. But the good news ends there. Emergency handling is sloppy, there's a lot of noise, the driving position is uncomfortable, and stops are very long without the optional (but hard to find) antilock brakes. Dodge Nitro Based on the Jeep Liberty, the bold, distinctive styling of this SUV will undoubtedly win over some buyers. But with vague steering, ungainly handling, unsettled ride, limited visibility, and a cheap-looking interior, the Nitro falls short of the Liberty. Both lack the refinement of most carbased SUVs. Chrysler Sebring While improved somewhat over the old Sebring, the all-new version still trails the competition. Conspiring against it are noisy engines, unimpressive braking and handling, uncomfortable seats, a cheap-looking interior, and only adequate performance and fuel economy. Ouch for Chrysler...all complaints about cheap interiors... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 (edited) "which make them feel more like expensive European cars", what, no, but they aren't EUCD, they can't in any way be good. What are they talking about? The competitive (oh wait I'm supposed to say mediocre) Fusion can't be an impressive car. Edited October 2, 2007 by suv_guy_19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 Well, you might as well include the Impressive: Ford Fusion/Mercury Milan As expected, these replacements for the Taurus and Sable are practical and roomy. But we were unexpectedly impressed with their nimble handling and comfortable ride, which make them feel more like expensive European cars. Unlike many new cars in their first year, their reliability has been excellent. Hyundai Santa Fe With much better ride and handling than its predecessor, the new Santa Fe might be the best Hyundai we've tested. It also has a smooth powertrain, quiet interior, and impressive fit and finish, giving it a No. 2 ranking among small SUVs, behind the Toyota RAV4 V6. Infiniti G35 With its 2007 update, the G35 has been transformed into a very capable sports sedan. Quick and agile, with well-balanced handling and a controlled ride, it is a joy to drive. Handling, interior fit and finish, and controls are all markedly improved over the previous model. Hyundai Entourage/Kia Sedona The redesigned Sedona and new Entourage—minivan twins—are a big improvement over the small, clumsy, and fuel-thirsty first-generation Sedona. They are quiet, roomy, comfortable, and powerful, and offer a wide array of features at a competitive price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White99GT Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 MOST IMPRESSIVE Ford Fusion/Mercury Milan As expected, these replacements for the Taurus and Sable are practical and roomy. But we were unexpectedly impressed with their nimble handling and comfortable ride, which make them feel more like expensive European cars. Unlike many new cars in their first year, their reliability has been excellent. Pscario owned...again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted October 2, 2007 Author Share Posted October 2, 2007 Well, you might as well include the Impressive: Was trying to avoid the DCMA Plus this place is so focused on negatives...I figured I'd post that :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 When you click on the Fusion and go to the expert review, I agree with him one one thing. Why is every car going to stupid prop rods? I hate them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LincolnFan Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 But Pcsario says otherwise, I know Pcsario is telling the truth... THIS IS ALL LIES. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traveler Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 I was thumbing through Road & Track's annual new car guide. For each car they listed "What's Hot" and "What's Not". They found fault with just about every vehicle in there from Maybachs to Mercurys. When I came across the Lincoln MKZ, however I was taken by surprise. They gave the car praise for styling, power and handling in the "What's Hot" section and the only "What's Not" they could come up with was a strange name, which I though was in itself strange. To me, they were reaching here to find fault. It reaffirmed my thoughts that the MKZ is perhaps a hidden jewel in its class, especially the AWD model. As for Chrysler interiors...yeah, for the most part they've gone down hill somewhat. Even the Ram's insides are not as nice in my opinon as they were in 2003. However, I must say in all honesty, that I feel the even Chrysler's interiors are not collectively as cheap as Chevrolet. They are close, but I think GM gets the award for cheap interiors...with exception to the Silverado, Tahoe and Corvette. They are at least on par with the rest of the market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Reynolds Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 ^ The only faults I have with the MKZ is the lack of stability control and the lack of a real sport package. If Lincoln could only address those two concerns, I swear they would be selling even more of those vehicles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 ^ The only faults I have with the MKZ is the lack of stability control and the lack of a real sport package. If Lincoln could only address those two concerns, I swear they would be selling even more of those vehicles. Stability control will arrive for the '09 model when it goes to 4-channel ABS. Sport package may not be all that necessary once it gets the 3.7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted October 2, 2007 Author Share Posted October 2, 2007 Stability control will arrive for the '09 model when it goes to 4-channel ABS. Sport package may not be all that necessary once it gets the 3.7. Well if they can put a more sporting suspestion in the MKZ, It would make me even more likely to buy one. I'm seriously considering one in the future either way.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 ^ The only faults I have with the MKZ is the lack of stability control and the lack of a real sport package. If Lincoln could only address those two concerns, I swear they would be selling even more of those vehicles. My guess is that it's been a transmission problem. Others on BON know more, but I believe the JV 6-speed cannot take the power that a meaningful premium-gas HO tuning would produce, so for now, the Z is stuck with the power it has. If they brought out a sport-package Z now with the standard power, reviewers would clamor for more power, and the car would be deemed a failure. The Ford/Getrag transmissions can't get here soon enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Reynolds Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 Stability control will arrive for the '09 model when it goes to 4-channel ABS. Sport package may not be all that necessary once it gets the 3.7. If it rides as soft as it does now, oh believe me yes it needs a sport package. But hey if all those things come to fruition I'll dump the Fusion when the lease is up on the Audi and just consolidate back to one vehicle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LincolnFan Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 Stability control will arrive for the '09 model when it goes to 4-channel ABS. Sport package may not be all that necessary once it gets the 3.7. Oh yes, just what we need, a floaty ride and a powerful engine. If I wanted such thing I would have gone to GM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 Oh yes, just what we need, a floaty ride and a powerful engine. If I wanted such thing I would have gone to GM. Floaty? I haven't been behind the wheel of an MKZ yet, but if it's even remotely similar to the ride of an AWD Fusion, it's anything BUT floaty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LincolnFan Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 Floaty? I haven't been behind the wheel of an MKZ yet, but if it's even remotely similar to the ride of an AWD Fusion, it's anything BUT floaty. They tuned the MKZ to be less sporty and more numb, the AWD system may help but it won't do much. The MKZ needs a sporty package, what is so hard about that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 They tuned the MKZ to be less sporty and more numb, the AWD system may help but it won't do much. The MKZ needs a sporty package, what is so hard about that? If it can be done easily, I'm all for it. Didn't realize the ride was so different between the Fusion and MKZ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackHorse Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 The list is according to MSN. Who gives a shit what they think good or bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 The list is according to MSN. Who gives a shit what they think good or bad. Good point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LincolnFan Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 The list is according to MSN. Who gives a shit what they think good or bad. It means M$ will support Ford through MSN because of the Sync deal, never underestimate the media effect imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShockFX Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 It means M$ will support Ford through MSN because of the Sync deal, never underestimate the media effect imo. Exactly. We can say yell all we want that the source is useless and biased, but as long as people read and believe in useless/biased sources there is use to be found in manipulating them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLPRacing Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 When you click on the Fusion and go to the expert review, I agree with him one one thing. Why is every car going to stupid prop rods? I hate them! Because most people never open the hood anyway... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 All the awards and good articles mean nothing if nobody buys the product(s). See the September sales thread for further information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 Because most people never open the hood anyway... Maybe, but to me they just scream cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2005Explorer Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 The list is according to MSN. Who gives a shit what they think good or bad. Wasn't MSN just reprinting what Consumer Reports had to say though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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