92merc Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 http://money.cnn.com/2007/10/16/autos/cr_r...dex.htm?cnn=yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Pretty good news! This part stuck out at me as a "about f'in time, jackasses" moment: "But from now on, the magazine will wait for a full year of reliability survey data to come in before it recommends a Toyota product - as it does with most other manufacturers." NO MORE FREE RIDE, TOYOTA!!!! :happy feet: This was also very encouraging: "Ford, in particular, is improving in quality, according to Consumer Reports. In all, 93 percent of Ford, Lincoln and Mercury vehicles showed average or better reliability in the most recent reliability survey. Among overall brands, Ford's Mercury brand ranked 11th, the Ford brand ranked 13th and the Lincoln luxury brand ranked 14th. Other than Buick, they were the highest-ranking domestic brands." Still room to improve, but this is a BIG step forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igor Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 YAY Igor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92merc Posted October 16, 2007 Author Share Posted October 16, 2007 I'm just shocked CR is actually saying this. They've been so pro Toyota for so long, I don't think they even wanted to admit Toyota has issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Jellymoulds Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 (edited) 93% of Ford models quality moved upwards. Camry slip to No5 good. CNBC Toyota Stumbling great. http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=563131501&play=1 T-Stag is not going to be very happy Land Rover finished bottom, still l expect he will put some sunshine news on it all. Edited October 16, 2007 by Ford Jellymoulds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 Pretty good news! This part stuck out at me as a "about f'in time, jackasses" moment: "But from now on, the magazine will wait for a full year of reliability survey data to come in before it recommends a Toyota product - as it does with most other manufacturers." NO MORE FREE RIDE, TOYOTA!!!! :happy feet: This was also very encouraging: "Ford, in particular, is improving in quality, according to Consumer Reports. In all, 93 percent of Ford, Lincoln and Mercury vehicles showed average or better reliability in the most recent reliability survey. Among overall brands, Ford's Mercury brand ranked 11th, the Ford brand ranked 13th and the Lincoln luxury brand ranked 14th. Other than Buick, they were the highest-ranking domestic brands." Still room to improve, but this is a BIG step forward. Are you sure this isn't a hoax lol. This is amazing news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommy8768 Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 Whoohooo!!!! Let all go jerk off together over this wonderful news!!!! Shut the hell up you idiots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 Whoohooo!!!! Let all go jerk off together over this wonderful news!!!! Shut the hell up you idiots. Oh go crawl back into your hole...better yet, you should get to work early, really early. You have a great deal to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traveler Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 Another reason to blame fat, lazy American worker for quality issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
351cid Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 Oh go crawl back into your hole...better yet, you should get to work early, really early. You have a great deal to do. Now that there is funny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bored of Pisteon Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 (edited) Whoohooo!!!! Let all go jerk off together over this wonderful news!!!! Shut the hell up you idiots. It seems as though you bring up some gay double-entandre in every post! Edited October 17, 2007 by Bored of Pisteon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackHorse Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 Whoohooo!!!! Let all go jerk off together over this wonderful news!!!! Shut the hell up you idiots. LMAO, Oh don't be mad tommy. Just because you're little bubble has been burst is no reason to act like a child buddy. lol Wait, shhhhh!!! Do you hear that Tommy!! It's very faint, but it, . . . it sounds like, . . . yes far off in the distance someone is playing John Cougar Mellancamps "When the Walls Come Tumbling Down" LOL Hey I got an idea, you shut the hell up ok tommy boy. You don't have time to be on here anyway, there are many a busted ass Toyota waiting for you to get to wrenching on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bored of Pisteon Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 LMAO, Oh don't be mad tommy. Just because you're little bubble has been burst is no reason to act like a child buddy. lol Wait, shhhhh!!! Do you hear that Tommy!! It's very faint, but it, . . . it sounds like, . . . yes far off in the distance someone is playing John Cougar Mellancamps "When the Walls Come Tumbling Down" LOL Hey I got an idea, you shut the hell up ok tommy boy. You don't have time to be on here anyway, there are many a busted ass Toyota waiting for you to get to wrenching on. No wonder why Tommy Girl has limp wrist syndrome! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingBender Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 Well, lessee here. Bought the RAV4 back in April. One of the windshield wipers was misaligned. The Bose stereo crapped out after one week. And when I park it in the garage, I sometimes catch the faint odor of coolant. Other than that, it's been fine. :D (All this with less than 5k on the odo.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 Pretty good news! This part stuck out at me as a "about f'in time, jackasses" moment: "But from now on, the magazine will wait for a full year of reliability survey data to come in before it recommends a Toyota product - as it does with most other manufacturers." NO MORE FREE RIDE, TOYOTA!!!! :happy feet: This was also very encouraging: "Ford, in particular, is improving in quality, according to Consumer Reports. In all, 93 percent of Ford, Lincoln and Mercury vehicles showed average or better reliability in the most recent reliability survey. Among overall brands, Ford's Mercury brand ranked 11th, the Ford brand ranked 13th and the Lincoln luxury brand ranked 14th. Other than Buick, they were the highest-ranking domestic brands." Still room to improve, but this is a BIG step forward. Awww, poor Toyota! :happy feet: They may have to actually work to gain recommendations, etc. now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommy8768 Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 It seems as though you bring up some gay double-entandre in every post! That's ENTENDRE moron....learn how to spell. Point is that Toyota fucks up just like EVERYONE, they're just better at getting people to belive otherwise. And unfortunately thats how it is these days. Get used to it. Most people think domestic cars suck and imports rule. I dont really care either way. They ALL suck when you work on them day after day. I know for a fact that Fords and DCX products sucked really bad when I worked on them. The only good Fords were the Mustang, the Crown Vic and the Taurus for the most part. Toyota has their issues I know. This whole argument is stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLLMTR Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 I am happy Consumer Reports is finally reporting what many Ford consumers already know, reliablity has been in the product for at least 3 years in the majority of its product line. Toyota has been falling in quality (engine sludge, transmission) for years and CR has ignored it. That is why I still think CR is a shit magazine that has no business rating cars no matter how much Ford's position "improves". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 That's ENTENDRE moron....learn how to spell. Point is that Toyota fucks up just like EVERYONE, they're just better at getting people to belive otherwise. And unfortunately thats how it is these days. Get used to it. Most people think domestic cars suck and imports rule. I dont really care either way. They ALL suck when you work on them day after day. I know for a fact that Fords and DCX products sucked really bad when I worked on them. The only good Fords were the Mustang, the Crown Vic and the Taurus for the most part. Toyota has their issues I know. This whole argument is stupid. Please don't point out others' spelling/grammar mistakes when you make your own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UltimateX Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 Remember that Consumer Reports is a trailing indicator of quality, which means the indicator is several years behind current vehicles. It is based on the quality of vehicles manufactured 1 to 5 years ago, so lets say an average of 3 ago. If there is strong downward trend based on average 3 year old vehicle and certainly no obvious signs of improvement in the last 3 years. The downward trend will continue downward for the for at least several more years, even if they immediately start making reliable vehicles again. If you go to Edmunds and and check out the users reviews of the 07 Camry, there are many complains about the 4 cylinder hesitating in a dangerous fashion, under acceleration that seem to be related to the transmission. These are going to start weighing on the CR data over the next couple of years and probably remove the Camry completely from the recommended list, not just the V6. Ford has a strong upward trend, and obvious signs that the cars are getting better, so in a couple of years Ford may well be ahead of Toyota on these indicators, and there is nothing that Toyota can do about because the vehicles have already been manufactured. These long term indicators move very slowly and have a lot of momentum once they start moving either down or up, and can haunt a manufactures for many years. These indicators can also mislead a consumer who bases a purchase of a new vehicle based on past performance. As we stay in the stock market, "past performance, is no guarantee of future performance". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconman13 Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 They ALL suck when you work on them day after day. I know for a fact that Fords and DCX products sucked really bad when I worked on them. Seems whenever "you" start working on a brand the quality goes to shit Coincidence?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommy8768 Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 Any of you guys can come try my job for a week or two and see how you like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bored of Pisteon Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 (edited) Any of you guys can come try my job for a week or two and see how you like it. No thanks... I'm sure you got enough :banmolest: "jobs" :banmolest: You know the type: jobs & jobs; Ahh, yes that's enough from your customers to keep your mouth shut for a while! Now get back to work! Edited October 19, 2007 by Bored of Pisteon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommy8768 Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 Now you're the one making the gay references!!! QUEERBOY!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 Any of you guys can come try my job for a week or two and see how you like it. That offer goes both ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommy8768 Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 I could figure yours out Pioneer, whatever it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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