igor Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 I would say 2, probably 3 model years, with the replacement coming for MY2011. Job1 - April 2010. Probably a 2010 model, because the 08 Focus does not support ESP and all 2010MY have to have ESP. Igor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonj80 Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 Job1 - April 2010. Probably a 2010 model, because the 08 Focus does not support ESP and all 2010MY have to have ESP. Igor Just an article on this -- nothing to say Ford won't back off it, they've done it in the past. Federal Gov. requires it for all MY2012 vehicles. http://media.ford.com/newsroom/release_dis...m?release=24259 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igor Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 Just an article on this -- nothing to say Ford won't back off it, they've done it in the past. Federal Gov. requires it for all MY2012 vehicles.http://media.ford.com/newsroom/release_dis...m?release=24259 2012? hmm .. then the C2 might be made a 2011 - but the April 2010 Job 1 is set .. well yeah -"for now" Igor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueblood Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 The C30 which is a VOLVO starts at 22k, what makes the Ford Kool-Aid posse think that the identical and cheaper Ford version would cost MORE?? Jesus people, take those blinders off already.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolita Posted October 20, 2007 Share Posted October 20, 2007 Yes. no, I like it as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LincolnFan Posted October 20, 2007 Share Posted October 20, 2007 (edited) The C30 which is a VOLVO starts at 22k, what makes the Ford Kool-Aid posse think that the identical and cheaper Ford version would cost MORE?? Jesus people, take those blinders off already.. I bought my Focus for 12.5K USD, that's after I had a special talk with one of the employees with Mr. and Mrs. Knuckle Sandwich. It's not my fault they increased the price by 5000 riyals over the 2006 version (A buddy of mine owns one, there's not a single difference between mine and his). But anyway, with the current exchange rates. The Euro is almost 2 USD, mine was made in Spain. If a C1 Focus were to be exported to US at the current exchange rate, I think it will cost more than the 08 one. Edited October 20, 2007 by LincolnFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKII Posted October 20, 2007 Share Posted October 20, 2007 (edited) The 2008 Focus is the BEST HANDLING BASE FOCUS EVER PRODUCED - Igor Igor do you really believe this? And you say " making it (C1) WAY worse handler than the C170." Have you driven both vehicles C1 Focus vs C170 Focus, and yes I know you have a Mazda3 C1 as your personal car. The Mazda3 does not have the same dynamics as the C1 Focus, nor does the Volvo S40 or C30. You have been getting too cozy with your Blue Oval buddies. I am not saying the C170 does not have good dynamics, BUT when you make comments like the C1 being way worse, etc, I am starting to doubt your credibility. Maybe a quick trip back to your roots (home land) and a few days in the C1 Focus could clear the cob webs from your brain. If you really believe this I put this question to you , would you be willing or will you be trading in your Mazda3 in for the 2008 redesign? Some Car&Driver feedback (the guys that voted previous Focus top ten) "Brake feel is good (although the 190-foot stopping distance isn't." :o What you notice first about the Focus is that it rides atop a greatly stiffened platform. Biased toward ride, the suspension is cushy even over Michigan's ravaged roads, but the downside is a tall, tippy feel. You get the sense that the squat Pirelli P6s have been left to fend for themselves for lateral grip, which is meager. http://www.caranddriver.com/shortroadtests...-focus-ses.html Edited October 21, 2007 by MKII Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 The C30 which is a VOLVO starts at 22k, what makes the Ford Kool-Aid posse think that the identical and cheaper Ford version would cost MORE?? Jesus people, take those blinders off already.. Good luck finding any C30 on a lot for $22K. Its slightly bigger brother, the S40 (which is more Focus-sized than the C30) can quickly exceed $30K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANTAUS Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 190Ft of stopping distance? This seems to be the new wave of Fords achilles heal as of late. Weak brakes. Whats worse, the media continiously keeps pointing it out. I'm waiting to see the first lawsuit against Ford for such a thing...you KNOW someone will sue over that...because instead of doing better, it got worse... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 (edited) So let me get this straight, they didn't actually test the car, they are extrapolating the data? That's not quite kosher! I like the Focus design from certain angles (it looks better in the flesh), but it's far from good design. Ford is usually consistent when it comes to design, but lately everything has been a crap shoot. The Focus will not be a hot seller, I can't imagine the car gaining much respect in its market which is VERY important for a segment filled by imports. Most people have written off the Focus and this won't change most minds. It's still a good car that has benefited from substantive chasis tweaking and safety upgrades, but compare the Focus to a Fusion and see which one you think young people would prefer? The doppy looking Fuckus, or the well respected Fusion? Edited October 22, 2007 by BORG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 190Ft of stopping distance? This seems to be the new wave of Fords achilles heal as of late. Weak brakes. Whats worse, the media continiously keeps pointing it out. I'm waiting to see the first lawsuit against Ford for such a thing...you KNOW someone will sue over that...because instead of doing better, it got worse... I wonder if Ford has gone over to a new brake compound that doesn't produce as much dust that is effecting the stopping performance of the brake pads... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinb120 Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 (edited) I don't know, I've driven them around a few times now and have gotten 'used' to the new look. The Focus as it stands is not a bad car and is in a much lower price point then what the C1 would be. It's priced to compete with the Korean cars, and the technology that was more advanced then the corolla 5 years ago is still more advanced the corolla now(and probably will be for the next 10 years of corollas). In the 16k range it's a sophisticated suspension setup on a relatively robust platform. The small car class is not exactly full of lookers to start with either. And Ford does sell the euro focus here already under the Mazda 3 badge for a more up-level compact, not to mention the S40 for hi-line compact. So they have the best of worlds as it is. Why up-market the bread and butter car and leave such a gap with no inexpensive car? For the mid-teens you get power everything, full airbag suite, and electronic gizmos for the kiddies like sync that out-techs 50K+ cars. Then you have the M3 for the hot-rodders, and the S40 for a luxury compact, where's the problem here? Go crawl under a corolla Americans buy in droves and look at the Torsion beam right out of a 1983 Dodge Omni with a rear brace bulkhead to keep it together in accidents and start complaining about that. And the Civic, other then having 'cool' plastic, is still less sophisticated underneath then 1990's models. I don't see anything wrong with Ford's overall compact program right now. When they can all share the next platfrom from the FoE Focus/S40/Mazda 3, THEN you change them all to cap costs. As for saying the Focus is 8-year old platform, it's still not outclassed for its intended market. There is no point to re-engineer the Focus line when an all new platform is only a couple years away where the appropriate models can be cost-engineered from the get-go. Apparently, looking at Civic/Corolla sales, it sure as shit has nothing to do with sophisticated platforms to sell cars, as they definitely don't have them. Edited October 24, 2007 by kevinb120 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueblood Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 I've never seen a car get worse reviews than this abomination, 0 out of 5 stars from Jalopnik.. Mulally, make heads roll, and bring us something class leading please.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueblood Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 I don't know, I've driven them around a few times now and have gotten 'used' to the new look. The Focus as it stands is not a bad car and is in a much lower price point then what the C1 would be. It's priced to compete with the Korean cars, and the technology that was more advanced then the corolla 5 years ago is still more advanced the corolla now(and probably will be for the next 10 years of corollas). In the 16k range it's a sophisticated suspension setup on a relatively robust platform. The small car class is not exactly full of lookers to start with either. And Ford does sell the euro focus here already under the Mazda 3 badge for a more up-level compact, not to mention the S40 for hi-line compact. So they have the best of worlds as it is. Why up-market the bread and butter car and leave such a gap with no inexpensive car? For the mid-teens you get power everything, full airbag suite, and electronic gizmos for the kiddies like sync that out-techs 50K+ cars. Then you have the M3 for the hot-rodders, and the S40 for a luxury compact, where's the problem here? Go crawl under a corolla Americans buy in droves and look at the Torsion beam right out of a 1983 Dodge Omni with a rear brace bulkhead to keep it together in accidents and start complaining about that. And the Civic, other then having 'cool' plastic, is still less sophisticated underneath then 1990's models. I don't see anything wrong with Ford's overall compact program right now. When they can all share the next platfrom from the FoE Focus/S40/Mazda 3, THEN you change them all to cap costs. As for saying the Focus is 8-year old platform, it's still not outclassed for its intended market. There is no point to re-engineer the Focus line when an all new platform is only a couple years away where the appropriate models can be cost-engineered from the get-go. Apparently, looking at Civic/Corolla sales, it sure as shit has nothing to do with sophisticated platforms to sell cars, as they definitely don't have them. That's great and all, but you will never persuade the brainwashed import people to buy a Ford when it's so ugly it makes you wanna puke, and uses plastics so cheap it makes the toy aisle in wal-mart look ritzy.. How many people climb under the car to look at the chassis or even know what to look for? Why cap the best chassis with a hideous exterior to scare people away?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKII Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 And Ford does sell the euro focus here already under the Mazda 3 badge for a more up-level compact, not to mention the S40 for hi-line compact. So they have the best of worlds as it is. Why up-market the bread and butter car and leave such a gap with no inexpensive car? For the mid-teens you get power everything, full airbag suite, and electronic gizmos for the kiddies like sync that out-techs 50K+ cars. Then you have the M3 for the hot-rodders, and the S40 for a luxury compact, where's the problem here? Apparently, looking at Civic/Corolla sales, it sure as shit has nothing to do with sophisticated platforms to sell cars, as they definitely don't have them. So you consider the previous Volvo S80 the same car as the Taurus because of platform? The C1 Focus is not the Mazda3 or Volvo S40, the C1 Focus dynamics IMO are heads and tails above it platform mates. You ask whats the problem saying the Mazda3 for hot-rodders and the S40 for lux compact, the problem is now Ford has taken a worldwide renowned name "Focus" which is and has been rated the bench mark C class vehicle and garnered more worldwide awards then any car in history (correct me if I am wrong) and gradually siphoned the original personality & charcter out of it, to the point of this 2008 redesign that has about as much resemblance to its roots as a Ford Fivehundred has to a Volvo S80. The redesign is probably a very good A-B car, I do not doubt this at all, but were the hell did the Focus go.Thats the problem. If they had slapped a Maverick badge or Escort etc that would have at least saved some credibilty for the Focus name. If you do any reading on car forums and see the remarks this car is getting because it is being compared to the car called Focus, you will see that the responses are pretty nasty in general and will not help increase nice fuzzy feelings for future Focus models. Being a Focus owner I am disgusted that this vehicle will wear the Focus badge even if it only for 2-3 years, its just not right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 So you consider the previous Volvo S80 the same car as the Taurus because of platform?The C1 Focus is not the Mazda3 or Volvo S40, the C1 Focus dynamics IMO are heads and tails above it platform mates. You ask whats the problem saying the Mazda3 for hot-rodders and the S40 for lux compact, the problem is now Ford has taken a worldwide renowned name "Focus" which is and has been rated the bench mark C class vehicle and garnered more worldwide awards then any car in history (correct me if I am wrong) and gradually siphoned the original personality & charcter out of it, to the point of this 2008 redesign that has about as much resemblance to its roots as a Ford Fivehundred has to a Volvo S80. The redesign is probably a very good A-B car, I do not doubt this at all, but were the hell did the Focus go.Thats the problem. If they had slapped a Maverick badge or Escort etc that would have at least saved some credibilty for the Focus name. If you do any reading on car forums and see the remarks this car is getting because it is being compared to the car called Focus, you will see that the responses are pretty nasty in general and will not help increase nice fuzzy feelings for future Focus models. Being a Focus owner I am disgusted that this vehicle will wear the Focus badge even if it only for 2-3 years, its just not right. For all the bad-mouthing the '08 Focus is getting, I predict that it ends CY08 UP in sales over 2007. As for resurrecting some silly used up name from the past and slapping it on this car for 3 years until a new Focus comes here, that is just ludicrous. Getting rid of the name entirely for a period of time will do more damage to the brand than offering one that is an IMPROVEMENT over the 05-07 model. So you don't like the way it looks? Get over it. It's a better car than the outgoing model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKII Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 For all the bad-mouthing the '08 Focus is getting, I predict that it ends CY08 UP in sales over 2007. As for resurrecting some silly used up name from the past and slapping it on this car for 3 years until a new Focus comes here, that is just ludicrous. Getting rid of the name entirely for a period of time will do more damage to the brand than offering one that is an IMPROVEMENT over the 05-07 model. So you don't like the way it looks? Get over it. It's a better car than the outgoing model. OK , thanks Nicky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 OK , thanks Nicky. You're welcome, MKIIy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noah Harbinger Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 I've never seen a car get worse reviews than this abomination, 0 out of 5 stars from Jalopnik.. Mulally, make heads roll, and bring us something class leading please.. That was only for external styling. They gave the car overall 3 stars -- which is seems amazingly high for Jalopnik, for a domestic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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