hindy Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 Can anyone confirm the 4.4 Diesel engine in the 2009 Ford Expedition? What implications does the contract with International have on the future of diesel engines in the light truck sector? Thanks http://www.automobilemag.com/features/0707...sels/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nilkilla Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 based on what we see on sales end, this engine will AT BEST. be available in Job 2 of 2009 on F-150s, maybe Expeditions. More than likely will be 2010 MY. nice article nonetheless. thanks for posting it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 Can anyone confirm the 4.4 Diesel engine in the 2009 Ford Expedition? What implications does the contract with International have on the future of diesel engines in the light truck sector? Thanks http://www.automobilemag.com/features/0707...sels/index.html based on what we see on sales end, this engine will AT BEST. be available in Job 2 of 2009 on F-150s, maybe Expeditions. More than likely will be 2010 MY.nice article nonetheless. thanks for posting it First of all, welcome to BOF to both of you. On topic, didn't Ford executives already confirm the 4.4 will be put in the Expedition? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 Can anyone confirm the 4.4 Diesel engine in the 2009 Ford Expedition? What implications does the contract with International have on the future of diesel engines in the light truck sector? Thanks http://www.automobilemag.com/features/0707...sels/index.html based on what we see on sales end, this engine will AT BEST. be available in Job 2 of 2009 on F-150s, maybe Expeditions. More than likely will be 2010 MY.nice article nonetheless. thanks for posting it First of all, welcome to BOF to both of you. On topic, didn't Ford executives already confirm the 4.4 will be put in the Expedition? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 On topic, didn't Ford executives already confirm the 4.4 will be put in the Expedition? Confirmed it would go in. Don't think they confirmed WHEN though. I would guess 2010 model year also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpc655 Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 Can anyone confirm the 4.4 Diesel engine in the 2009 Ford Expedition? What implications does the contract with International have on the future of diesel engines in the light truck sector? Thanks http://www.automobilemag.com/features/0707...sels/index.html It'll go into it, but earliest for 2010 MY. its on similar timing as GM's 4.5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordFanForEver Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 Hopefully the 4.4 Diesel will indeed get a good lead in sales before GM's 4.5 Diesel is released. I wonder how the 4.5 Diesel will perform in the H2 since the beast is so heavy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldwizard Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 It'll go into it (Navigator), but earliest for 2010 MY. its on similar timing as GM's 4.5 Actually, the last I heard was that Job #1 for the engine was 4Q09, meaning that it will not show up in a production vehicle until sometime after the 2009 holidays, making it a 2010.5MY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fbmphil Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 ^ Yup. F-150 is getting Twinforce before it gets diesel in CY 2010. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 (edited) With the price of diesel nowadays ($3.58 here compared to $2.81 for gasoline), I see no reason for the average Joe to buy one. With the price of fuel and the extra maintenance expenses, it's just not worth it. Edited March 4, 2008 by Pioneer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 With the price of diesel nowadays ($3.58 here compared to $2.81 for gasoline), I see no reason for the average Joe to buy one. With the price of fuel and the extra maintenance expenses, it's just not worth it. the one..and FEW benefits/ redeeming features I see for a diesel engine is that towing doesn't affect mileage as severly as that of a gasser...thus my arguments pertaining to the validity of diesels in sedans....which don't realistically tow anyways.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldwizard Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 With the price of diesel nowadays ($3.58 here compared to $2.81 for gasoline), ... Where do you live ! Gas in SE MI has been running from about $2.95 to $3.25 for the past few months. Diesel $3.25 to $3.75. No where near the spread you are talking about. I see no reason for the average Joe to buy one. With the price of fuel and the extra maintenance expenses, it's just not worth it. The new emission controls have really killed the mileage benefit, although (as others have pointed out) there is almost no difference when towing a full load. "Break even point" is probably now well over 100K miles. I don't know that the 4.4L in a F150 will have the "cool factor" that PowerStroke has had in the SuperDuty so it might not help the residual value that much. Look for the 4.4L in both F250 and E250. It will do very well in those vehicles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 Where do you live ! Gas in SE MI has been running from about $2.95 to $3.25 for the past few months. Diesel $3.25 to $3.75. No where near the spread you are talking about. Zip code 48182. Check it HERE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixt9coug Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 Zip code 48182. Check it HERE. I hate you just a little bit now. Regular is 3.39 at the closest station. 3.21 is the cheapest ive seen locally for 87. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 (edited) With the price of diesel nowadays ($3.58 here compared to $2.81 for gasoline), I see no reason for the average Joe to buy one. With the price of fuel and the extra maintenance expenses, it's just not worth it. Prices at my local station are currently: Regular - $3.32 Midgrade - $3.49 Premium - $3.62 Diesel - $3.71 Diesel has been ~10 cents higher than premium for some time now. Edited March 6, 2008 by rmc523 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waymondospiff Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 For the first time (in a long while) AZ is just about the cheapest place in the nation. The two closest stations to my house: $3.079 and $3.019 for 87 octane. No idea about diesel. (I know I'm not contributing to the real discussion, I'm just "gloating" about our fuel prices...) Scott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpc655 Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 (edited) Hopefully the 4.4 Diesel will indeed get a good lead in sales before GM's 4.5 Diesel is released. I wonder how the 4.5 Diesel will perform in the H2 since the beast is so heavy. They've been getting similar performance out of each. The layout of the engines is similar. GM's got integrated exhaust manifolds and some other neat features. the emissions systems provide some interesting challenges. for example they plan ammonia injection (SCR). now you have to add that to your oil change routing. I think they'll both be a hit. both are slated for truck applications. diesels can do allot of work at a lower RPM range on similar fuel consumption levels. you "drive" torque, not horsepower. so these should both find a good market if they meet the performance and reliability goals. Edited March 5, 2008 by kpc655 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 (edited) Here, regular is now 4.00 - 4.28 per US gallon. Premium is 4.65. Diesel is 4.15. Mid grade, which I fuel up with, is 4.49. I don't feel sorry for any of you :P. Edited March 5, 2008 by suv_guy_19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 For the first time (in a long while) AZ is just about the cheapest place in the nation. The two closest stations to my house: $3.079 and $3.019 for 87 octane. No idea about diesel. (I know I'm not contributing to the real discussion, I'm just "gloating" about our fuel prices...) Scott Nope NJ has you beat yet....$2.90 for regular and Deisel is around 3.50-60 a gallon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldwizard Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 They've been getting similar performance out of each. The layout of the engines is similar. GM's got integrated exhaust manifolds and some other neat features. What do you mean by "integrated" ? I know it is a "reverse flow" (exhaust manifold is in the valley, intake on the outside of the engine). I also know that GM hired away a bunch of Ford diesel engineers a few years ago, so I'm guessing their 4.5L is the results. the emissions systems provide some interesting challenges. for example they plan ammonia injection (SCR). now you have to add that to your oil change routing. Last I heard, Ford was working hard not to have uera injection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpc655 Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 What do you mean by "integrated" ? I know it is a "reverse flow" (exhaust manifold is in the valley, intake on the outside of the engine). I also know that GM hired away a bunch of Ford diesel engineers a few years ago, so I'm guessing their 4.5L is the results.Last I heard, Ford was working hard not to have uera injection. Neither engine has the exhaust on the inward side. I think both would prefer not to go with urea injection..but from what i've seen they need some sort of SCR system to meet the emissions requirements. good call on the engineering "exchange"..that is definitely evident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 I hate you just a little bit now. Regular is 3.39 at the closest station. 3.21 is the cheapest ive seen locally for 87. Ohio gas is always cheaper than Michigan. Went up to $3.09 today for regular. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray101988 Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 For the first time (in a long while) AZ is just about the cheapest place in the nation. The two closest stations to my house: $3.079 and $3.019 for 87 octane. No idea about diesel. (I know I'm not contributing to the real discussion, I'm just "gloating" about our fuel prices...) Scott Im from new jersey... last time i checked it was still under $3.00 for regular :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray101988 Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 Diesel should be out a year after the new F150 is released Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 Here, regular is now 4.00 - 4.28 per US gallon. Premium is 4.65. Diesel is 4.15. Mid grade, which I fuel up with, is 4.49. I don't feel sorry for any of you :P. Wow....I feel bad for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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