Deanh Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 Just roll down both side windows and use a Club to attach it to the nearest railing. Or just keep it parked in your foyer. no one would steal the damn thing unless they mis-placed their door stop any way...that may change when the SVT version comes out... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mlhm5 Posted May 13, 2008 Author Share Posted May 13, 2008 ...of course diesel passenger cars, 1.4L TSI type engines, 50mpg hybrids, are all areas that Ford has failed to market here in the USA. Why would an ULC car be any different? $4.00 gasoline changed the entire market, and despite Ford's access to the best scenario planning minds, they were caught by surprise. Would have Ford spent what they did on the F-150 if they knew gas would be $4.50 a gallon? It isn't likely unless they are just plain stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 It isn't likely unless they are just plain stupid. Unlike you, who is IMMENSELY stupid.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 (edited) ...of course diesel passenger cars, 1.4L TSI type engines, 50mpg hybrids, are all areas that Ford has failed to market here in the USA. Why would an ULC car be any different? Nobody else is selling a 1.4L TSI type engine, or 50 mpg hybrid here either. You are reaching. Desperately. $4.00 gasoline changed the entire market, and despite Ford's access to the best scenario planning minds, they were caught by surprise. Yes. Big surprise. Hence already have one hybrid on the market with another joining it by the end of this year. A HOT new B-car joining the fray late next year. Whew. They sure missed that boat! Look at all the other automakers who are right on this bandwagon! All those hybrids from Volkswagen, BMW, General Motors, Chrysler. And the company that DOES have a big stake in hybrids already, Toyota, is losing their shirt by building a BRAND NEW plant to build FULLSIZE PICKUPS and SUVs. Yeah. Toyota sure timed things right!! Would have Ford spent what they did on the F-150 if they knew gas would be $4.50 a gallon? It isn't likely unless they are just plain stupid. Yes. Yes they would have spent the same amount. Just because it will no longer command a ridiculously huge market share, it will still account for a LOT of sales every year. You don't abandon a product entirely just because its market segment shrinks a little bit. To spend any LESS than they did would be plain stupid. The fact that you think otherwise shows that YOU are plain stupid. Oh, and what does ANY of this have to do with the clown car Tata Nano that you originally started this thread with? Edited May 13, 2008 by NickF1011 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 ...of course diesel passenger cars, 1.4L TSI type engines, 50mpg hybrids, are all areas that Ford has failed to market here in the USA. Why would an ULC car be any different? $4.00 gasoline changed the entire market, and despite Ford's access to the best scenario planning minds, they were caught by surprise. Would have Ford spent what they did on the F-150 if they knew gas would be $4.50 a gallon? It isn't likely unless they are just plain stupid. k....name ONE 50mpg car currently...by ANY manufacturer currently AVAILABLE to the public...but its Fords failure eh? soory Milm, this gets my DAPOTW.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 Nobody else is selling a 1.4L TSI type engine, or 50 mpg hybrid here either. You are reaching. Desperately. Yes. Big surprise. Hence already have one hybrid on the market with another joining it by the end of this year. A HOT new B-car joining the fray late next year. Whew. They sure missed that boat! Look at all the other automakers who are right on this bandwagon! All those hybrids from Volkswagen, BMW, General Motors, Chrysler. And the company that DOES have a big stake in hybrids already, Toyota, is losing their shirt by building a BRAND NEW plant to build FULLSIZE PICKUPS and SUVs. Yeah. Toyota sure timed things right!! Yes. Yes they would have spent the same amount. Just because it will no longer command a ridiculously huge market share, it will still account for a LOT of sales every year. You don't abandon a product entirely just because its market segment shrinks a little bit. To spend any LESS than they did would be plain stupid. The fact that you think otherwise shows that YOU are plain stupid. Oh, and what does ANY of this have to do with the clown car Tata Nano that you originally started this thread with? No mention of the fact eco-boost ( potential V8/ V6 replacements with smaller Cubes , better efficiency and 20% better economy )*has been in developement for how long?.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 On a related note (to the Nano, not mlhm5's rantings about VW diesels): http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artic.../805130356/1148 Ford sponsors contest at universities to design $7000 car Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 On a related note (to the Nano, not mlhm5's rantings about VW diesels): http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artic.../805130356/1148 Ford sponsors contest at universities to design $7000 car oh its possible even at UAW ( not third world wages ) just don't add emmisions, any safety, any ammenities, rustproofing, warranties....add a dash of lack of drivability, power, handling dynamics, lop off two cylinders and add 10inch wheels...voila........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Jellymoulds Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 VW have a whole range of 100 MPG concept cars (9 Cars) in the pipeline don't know if any of them will make it to the States in the future. http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/volkswagen-world/futures Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 VW have a whole range of 100 MPG concept cars (9 Cars) in the pipeline don't know if any of them will make it to the States in the future.http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/volkswagen-world/futures two points.........will they ever make it here with our seemingly excessive parameters.........#2, anyone that thinks that there are NO OTHER manufacturers researching similar type economy concepts has their head up their a$$ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxman100 Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 You cannot even get a freeway legal motorcycle brand new for $2,500. I've read an article on some of the engineering done on the Nano to hit the price point - the assumption is the vehicle will not go over 45 mph, or last past 50,000 miles. Hence things like wear items such as wheel bearings, axles, etc. designed to last only 50,000 miles, etc. There is only one windshield wiper, no seat belts, etc. For it's target market, it could work. For the United States - may as well get an enclosed golf cart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 You cannot even get a freeway legal motorcycle brand new for $2,500. I've read an article on some of the engineering done on the Nano to hit the price point - the assumption is the vehicle will not go over 45 mph, or last past 50,000 miles. Hence things like wear items such as wheel bearings, axles, etc. designed to last only 50,000 miles, etc. There is only one windshield wiper, no seat belts, etc. For it's target market, it could work. For the United States - may as well get an enclosed golf cart. hmmmmmm....but there is someone amoung us that just doesn't get the logic of impossibility, ESPECIALLY from the sucky company called Ford...bunch of losers....Indians living on streets with cow crap everywhere paying for a two storey brown paper bag as La Casa on $2 dollar a week pay can...why not ford...USELESS I TELL YA! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron W. Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 can't beleive i am answering this post.... And yet people still respond to this person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 And yet people still respond to this person. like I said DAOTHW...D stands for Dumb.....ignorance and stupiddity cannot go un-answered...plus kills time...LOL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danup Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 I just did a ten page research project on the Tata Nano, and the fact of the matter is that to retrofit it to fit US safety standards would more than double the price of the car, not to mention the fact that the $2500 version has no amenities whatsoever; even Indian buyers are expected to bump the price up, on average, to $4000. Combine that amenity bonus with more expensive manufacturing and safety retrofitting and an engine that can get up to highway speed and you have-- drumroll a Chevy Aveo. Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mlhm5 Posted May 13, 2008 Author Share Posted May 13, 2008 hmmmmmm....but there is someone amoung us that just doesn't get the logic of impossibility, ESPECIALLY from the sucky company called Ford...bunch of losers....Indians living on streets with cow crap everywhere paying for a two storey brown paper bag as La Casa on $2 dollar a week pay can...why not ford...USELESS I TELL YA! Let's see now should we add up all the opportunities Ford missed and the times, like right now, where the situation looks amazingly similar to the gas crunch in the 1970's. Sure, you can discount the idea, just like Ford has with diesels, PHEVs, EV, high mileage vehicles, hybrid passenger cars, and stick with what Ford knows best, how to put a moderately high performance 8 or 6 in almost anything and get crap mileage, a la Taurus, nee 500. The much touted ecoboost is just plain vaporware until it emerges as a ~2L getting 40+ mpg. Gas is not going to get any cheaper and if anyone thinks SUVs are taking a beating now, wait until gas reaches $4.50 this Summer. Lucky for Ford they have a guy at the top who does not think like a gearhead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mlhm5 Posted May 13, 2008 Author Share Posted May 13, 2008 I just did a ten page research project on the Tata Nano, and the fact of the matter is that to retrofit it to fit US safety standards would more than double the price of the car, not to mention the fact that the $2500 version has no amenities whatsoever; even Indian buyers are expected to bump the price up, on average, to $4000. Combine that amenity bonus with more expensive manufacturing and safety retrofitting and an engine that can get up to highway speed and you have-- drumroll a Chevy Aveo. Sorry. The Smart car is here and meets all the EPA and DOT standards. Of course there is no way Detroit could build a similar car cheaper, no way. I got a 10 page report showing it is impossible so why bother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 Let's see now should we add up all the opportunities Ford missed and the times, like right now, where the situation looks amazingly similar to the gas crunch in the 1970's. Sure, you can discount the idea, just like Ford has with diesels, PHEVs, EV, high mileage vehicles, hybrid passenger cars, and stick with what Ford knows best, how to put a moderately high performance 8 or 6 in almost anything and get crap mileage, a la Taurus, nee 500. The much touted ecoboost is just plain vaporware until it emerges as a ~2L getting 40+ mpg. Gas is not going to get any cheaper and if anyone thinks SUVs are taking a beating now, wait until gas reaches $4.50 this Summer. Lucky for Ford they have a guy at the top who does not think like a gearhead. FYI.....Ford has diesels BIG time...look at Europe....if they could bring them here they would...guess what...just like EVERY other manufacturer they can't, due to the pre-madonna mindsets that jury those types of decisions...capice? they have hybrid cars...Fusion due here DECEMBER....capice? they have 100 mpg vehcles on the road HERE NOW ( Edison has them ) ....capice? No missed opportunities...just learn to spell the word viability like any other manufacturer dealing with Americas beaurecratic BS and THAT young man requires almost endless studies and red tape....JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE.........now....wheres that currently avail 50mpg hybrid you were talking out of your a$$ on?????????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 Let's see now should we add up all the opportunities Ford missed and the times, like right now, where the situation looks amazingly similar to the gas crunch in the 1970's. You go and spend lots of time doing that: add up all those opportunities. Meanwhile, the rest of us will get on with the future. Sure, you can discount the idea, just like Ford has with diesels, PHEVs, EV, high mileage vehicles, hybrid passenger cars, and stick with what Ford knows best, how to put a moderately high performance 8 or 6 in almost anything and get crap mileage, a la Taurus, nee 500. You sure are hard-of-thinking. As you know, if you manage to read anything, Ford has diesels, PHEVs, EV, high mileage vehicles, hybrid passenger cars either under development or in production. You know, like the Fusion hybrid that's coming and the high-mileage Fiesta and the high-mileage EU diesels. The much touted ecoboost is just plain vaporware until it emerges as a ~2L getting 40+ mpg. Nope, a 3.5 EcoBoost, or whatever size Ford launches will be reality, not vaporware. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 (edited) The Smart car is here and meets all the EPA and DOT standards. Of course there is no way Detroit could build a similar car cheaper, no way. I got a 10 page report showing it is impossible so why bother. Last time i looked they were a little more than the NANO and were no more MPG efficient than a Focus along with a more expensive price tag and less functionality...your point? Holy crap milm, i have given you the benefit of the doubt...now i'm starting to see why other posters lambast the crap outa your posts.....HEY...where did you buy all that Play Doh? Edited May 13, 2008 by Deanh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenCaylor Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 Until the first accident with a Ford F-350, and all occupants are turned into tomato puree. And since the occupants will no doubt be poor, the cries of social injustice will ring loudly. Only if they're vegans. Everyone else will be turned into hamburger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 In India, the Ford KA is probably considered a 7 seater SUV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 In India, the Ford KA is probably considered a 7 seater SUV. nope....considered a bus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadrunner Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 Maybe someone will import the Nano to the U.S., then going small will also be very financially sensible. Not so fast. It has to pass the U.S. Federal Crash Safety requirements. Remember the 1970s when some imported cars had big black 5 mph bumpers to even be allowed into the country? The standards have risen since then, so a Nano might just get squished. Expect added steel and weight on the Nano for it to be accepted. This thing has side airbags standard (by 2009), right ? The inability to update the old Ranger to this standard was one reason it didn't get to keep playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 Last time i looked they were a little more than the NANO and were no more MPG efficient than a Focus along with a more expensive price tag and less functionality. Actually, the SMART is a lot more than the Nano. Consider the engine/transmission, running gear and all the safety systems, and the high-grade steel it's stamped out of, and gee, it sure doesn't cost like a Nano, because that's what it takes to sell in EU and NA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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