NickF1011 Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 (edited) Oh...now it is a redesign........right...... And, like I have said before, the Flex will have more sales than the Taurus X...why you :cheerleader: keep using that as an argument against me is a mystery... I'll even go as far as to say that had Ford advertised the hell out of the Taurus X for a year or so, and sales still sucked...then yes, it is probably time for some changes. But the Taurus X hasn't even been out for a YEAR...and Ford is throwing the towel...giving up. As for the "You are Mr. D3-Should-Burn-In-Hell" remark...whatever you say boss... It's a redesign for all intents and purposes. Same platform, filling a somewhat similar niche in the lineup. Was it really intentionally done that way? No, but you end up with the same result. The Taurus X is a decent vehicle, but it is bland bland bland bland bland. All of the advertising in the world likely would not have helped it much. Taurus maybe, as bland might go over a bit better with the fullsize sedan crowd. But the X is just an oddball. Not to mention the Flex is larger...and far more upscale - meaning higher transaction prices, which means more money for Ford's bottom line. I would consider a Flex for a personal vehicle, but wouldn't even look twice at a Taurus X -- I think most people who end up buying a Flex will have that same sentiment. Edited May 22, 2008 by NickF1011 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papilgee4evaeva Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 I called /topic an hour ago, guys. Now look where we got. Sometimes I wish I had RJ's assortment of little red buttons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 It's a redesign for all intents and purposes. Same platform, filling a somewhat similar niche in the lineup. Was it really intentionally done that way? No, but you end up with the same result. The Taurus X is a decent vehicle, but it is bland bland bland bland bland. All of the advertising in the world likely would not have helped it much. Taurus maybe, as bland might go over a bit better with the fullsize sedan crowd. But the X is just an oddball. Not to mention the Flex is larger...and far more upscale - meaning higher transaction prices, which means more money for Ford's bottom line. I would consider a Flex for a personal vehicle, but wouldn't even look twice at a Taurus X -- I think most people who end up buying a Flex will have that same sentiment. "Higher transaction prices"...which is a BAD thing considering where our economy is heading. And per Ford...the exterior dimensions are virtually the same between the two and the Taurus X has more interior room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 "Higher transaction prices"...which is a BAD thing considering where our economy is heading. And per Ford...the exterior dimensions are virtually the same between the two and the Taurus X has more interior room. once again...WRONG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 once again...WRONG Yeah...I am so wrong: ..............TX..........Flex Length 200.3 _ 201.8 Width 74.9 _ 75.9 (without mirrors) Legroom Front 40.8 _ 40.8 Second 40.4 _ 44.3 Third 33.4 _ 33.3 Capacity Rear 15.8 _ 15.0 3rd row down 47 _ 43.2 2nd row down 85.5 _ 83.2 Passenger Volume 146.2 _ 155.8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 Yeah...I am so wrong: ..............TX..........Flex Length 200.3 _ 201.8 Width 74.9 _ 75.9 (without mirrors) Legroom Front 40.8 _ 40.8 Second 40.4 _ 44.3 Third 33.4 _ 33.3 Capacity Rear 15.8 _ 15.0 3rd row down 47 _ 43.2 2nd row down 85.5 _ 83.2 Passenger Volume 146.2 _ 155.8 YOU are the one that said thereis MORE interior room...please...check your OWN figures....the greater of the two numbers corresponds with LARGER.....and half of your figures are WRONG....get an up to date spec sheet not the first one posted on ford Vehicles..........total int volume 160.9 Flex, 155.3 X, ...5 inches more legroom 2nd row...probably due to 5 inch longer wheelbase...and P...didn't realize you had the hots for an X...does this signify a vehicular swap? Bout time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenCaylor Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 Just got back from seeing the new Indiana Jones movie (GREAT MOVIE!) and noticed that diesel was $1.20 more than gas, $3.99 vs $5.19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 (edited) Just got back from seeing the new Indiana Jones movie (GREAT MOVIE!) and noticed that diesel was $1.20 more than gas, $3.99 vs $5.19 More confirmation for Ford that Ecoboost (GDIT) is the way to go. Edited May 22, 2008 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Reynolds Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 Just got back from seeing the new Indiana Jones movie (GREAT MOVIE!) and noticed that diesel was $1.20 more than gas, $3.99 vs $5.19 Wow, where at? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Critic Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 Wow, where at? Down under, I think, it opens friday. And that would be his friday, correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 Wow, where at? Opens in our local Cinema today (in Australia). Gotta love American hero features. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 Down under, I think, it opens friday. And that would be his friday, correct? It opened this afternoon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 (edited) It opened this afternoon. It's Friday 9.30 am here now and the first session is starting. Unfortunately, I still have 4 1/2 hours left at work, finish at 2pm. BTW, I think this should be Ford's creed : ROCKY BALBOA: IT AIN´T ABOUT HOW HARD YOU HIT ... Edited May 22, 2008 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 It's Friday 9.30 am here now and the first session is starting.Unfortunately, I still have 4 1/2 hours left at work, finish at 2pm. Yeah, it opened today (Thursday) in North America. I'm sure many die hard fans were out sick and lined up at the theater. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 "Higher transaction prices"...which is a BAD thing considering where our economy is heading. I guess Toyota and Honda with their traditionally higher transaction prices are in trouble then. All the luxury carmakers will be out of business in 12 months!! Higher transaction price is the easiest way to weather a storm, assuming the product you are selling is worth the higher price (the Flex seems obviously more valuable than the Taurus X). If you are moving fewer vehicles, you want to maximize profit on those vehicles. Surely, you can't price them TOO high or people will ignore them, but the Flex doesn't appear to be overpriced...it's just a much better package that will command more money than TX. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 I guess Toyota and Honda with their traditionally higher transaction prices are in trouble then. All the luxury carmakers will be out of business in 12 months!! Higher transaction price is the easiest way to weather a storm, assuming the product you are selling is worth the higher price (the Flex seems obviously more valuable than the Taurus X). If you are moving fewer vehicles, you want to maximize profit on those vehicles. Surely, you can't price them TOO high or people will ignore them, but the Flex doesn't appear to be overpriced...it's just a much better package that will command more money than TX. logic will not calm the P71 tirade...THAT has been proven countless times.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Reynolds Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 Not the movie the damn gas? LOL...... I have no want to see that movie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 I guess Toyota and Honda with their traditionally higher transaction prices are in trouble then. All the luxury carmakers will be out of business in 12 months!! Higher transaction price is the easiest way to weather a storm, assuming the product you are selling is worth the higher price (the Flex seems obviously more valuable than the Taurus X). If you are moving fewer vehicles, you want to maximize profit on those vehicles. Surely, you can't price them TOO high or people will ignore them, but the Flex doesn't appear to be overpriced...it's just a much better package that will command more money than TX. No, Honda and Toyota (why you :cheerleader: keep bring them up, I'll never know...just like the Panthers) have build a solid reputation that will get them through the storm. People have NO problem spending their money on a Honda or Toyota. Ford on the other hand, has nothing. Therefore, people will not be willing to pay 30-40K for a Ford station wagon. Plus, with the housing market in the crapper (right next to DeenH), people will be less likely to spend the money on a not-so-efficient station wagon. And the Flexible has NOTHING on it that will require it to have a higher price than the Taurus X. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 And the Flexible has NOTHING on it that will require it to have a higher price than the Taurus X. Coming from the guy who has never sat inside one. I'll take Deanh's word on its quality over yours. And why do you think they will all cost $40K? Yes, a LOADED one with every option will push that mark -- but so will several midsize SUV's and minivans which are the Flex's direct competitors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenCaylor Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 (edited) Wow, where at? Inglewood (Los Angeles area) Saw the Indy movie at The Bridge Cinema Delux, Director's Hall with reserved stadium seating and digital projector. It's such a luxury having reserved seats. I remember in the old days of going to Star Trek movies on opening night and having to wait a minimum of three hours in line. Edited May 23, 2008 by StevenCaylor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 No, Honda and Toyota (why you :cheerleader: keep bring them up, I'll never know...just like the Panthers) have build a solid reputation that will get them through the storm. People have NO problem spending their money on a Honda or Toyota. Ford on the other hand, has nothing. Therefore, people will not be willing to pay 30-40K for a Ford station wagon. Plus, with the housing market in the crapper (right next to DeenH), people will be less likely to spend the money on a not-so-efficient station wagon. And the Flexible has NOTHING on it that will require it to have a higher price than the Taurus X. aside from better interior, soft touch everywhere, more comfortable seats, more amenities, quieter ride and drive, vista roofs, upgraded nav, less sublime styling, more profitability to ford, increased sales figures....and finally a vehicle people point at and say "whats that" rather than " I know I parked it here somewhere..."....you are correct p. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 (edited) Coming from the guy who has never sat inside one. I'll take Deanh's word on its quality over yours. And why do you think they will all cost $40K? Yes, a LOADED one with every option will push that mark -- but so will several midsize SUV's and minivans which are the Flex's direct competitors. base sticker SE WITH D & D is just under 29 MSRP. Loaded AWD Limited I just ordered for a buddy replacing a Q7 ( interesting no? ) $43740.....that IS rather a large leap...but LOADED Limited WITH AWD, nav, roof, trailer tow and entertainment system. base Limited w AWD is around 37300ish. Edited May 23, 2008 by Deanh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joihan777 Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 (edited) ....and finally a vehicle people point at and say "whats that" rather than " I know I parked it here somewhere... I think the looks alone will bring people to the Flex... it definitely gets people's attention! We just found out recently our next bun is in the oven. So I'll be keeping the minivan for another few years. :o Otherwise, the Flex was at the top of my list! :huh: You guys haven't really discussed something about the diesel engine first mentioned here... even though diesel will give better mileage (that is nearly offset by the price per gallon), there are two other reasons to stay away from one if you don't need one. First: Maintenance costs. Diesel mechanics are nowhere near as common as gasoline mechanics, so you'd basically be limiting your options (and their competition!). Second: Diesel is carcinogenic. No matter how 'scrubbed' it is, the soot is still carcinogenic (moreso than gasoline of course.) If I find a recent medical article I'll post it. Ecoboost seems like the best choice for cars until full electrics can sustain viability. Edited May 25, 2008 by joihan777 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenCaylor Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 Just got back from seeing the new Indiana Jones movie (GREAT MOVIE!) and noticed that diesel was $1.20 more than gas, $3.99 vs $5.19 Jeez, this is getting rediculous. Went by the same station today (24 hours later) and gas is $4.05 and diesel is $5.29, a spread of $1.24. It seems the prices go up every day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 Jeez, this is getting rediculous. Went by the same station today (24 hours later) and gas is $4.05 and diesel is $5.29, a spread of $1.24. It seems the prices go up every day. Stop complaining, gasoline is still cheap. In Australia petrol is $1.50/litre and is predicted to be $2.00/litre by Christmas - US$7.50/gal Diesel is $1.70/litre and expected to be $2.20/litre by the too - US$8.25/gal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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