battyr Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 (edited) Oops, guess some already said this. That's because BMW doesn't go FWD for anything. That is why BMW developed the MINI. Edited June 10, 2008 by battyr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papilgee4evaeva Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 (edited) Oops, guess some already said this. That is why BMW developed the MINI. I quote myself... and edit myself...: As far as MINI goes, BMW continued the project when they let go of Rover, who had originally developed the car. No extra platform development took place on BMW's part. Edited June 10, 2008 by papilgee4evaeva Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueblood Posted June 11, 2008 Share Posted June 11, 2008 BMW designed and builds the MINI, and it's certainly FWD. And, word is that the forthcoming MINI SUV will share its chassis with a BMW - the X1. Not sure if that qualifies, or not. It's s Mini, still not a BMW, sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchdevil Posted June 11, 2008 Share Posted June 11, 2008 (edited) Well since this is what this thread is about.... LINCOLN MKY Edited June 11, 2008 by Watchdevil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Reynolds Posted June 11, 2008 Share Posted June 11, 2008 I'm not a huge proponent of FWD vehicles, but FWD does not necessarily equal mediocrity. Those that continue to dismiss FWD vehicles as such, apparently have not sat behind a decently engineered one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted June 11, 2008 Share Posted June 11, 2008 Where's that MKY picture when you need it? Nobody needs that picture. Ever. :slap: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
68Cougar Posted June 11, 2008 Share Posted June 11, 2008 Sounds like a Lincoln "Interga". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchdevil Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 (edited) Nobody needs that picture. Ever. :slap: Edited June 12, 2008 by Watchdevil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 Well it makes a point about small luxury cars: just because they're small, it doesn't mean that the door and sideglass has to be the same cheap quality. It has to be better, if anything, for fit-and-finish "look". Here's a quicky re-do, sort of flush side glass. Notice how much better the car looks, IMHO, compared to the heavy Focus window-frames. Small luxury means luxury construction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inteller Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 you posted the 83 Cimmaron.....but I was thinking more of the Caddy Caterra. Now THAT was a failure. Lincoln first needs to shed its old people car image like Cadillac did, and THEN worry about sporty smallish cars. If you would have told me 10-15 years ago that Caddilac was going to have a monster like the CTS-V I would have laughed in your face. That brand definitely came back from the brink. I'm not sure the Lincoln ship is turning fast enough. They need something so 180 that people look at it and go "THAT's a Lincoln?" Kinda like that Saturn commercial.....except the internet only version. "That's a fucking Lincoln...? Shiiit." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 (edited) <MKY's redacted> Thanks. I just lost my breakfast. Edited June 12, 2008 by NickF1011 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Jellymoulds Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 (edited) A FWD Lincoln sounds like they are into building cheap and chearful nasty & tacky cars. All the quality cars use RWD, looks like more lost sales down the road for Lincoln. What's up with Ford lately they seem to have a lot of cash to burn & waste, even the new RS looks a big loser in Auto Express today, nobody will buy or touch the RS with a shitty FWD only version, Evo & Scoobie AWD sales will rocket the Focus will flop why even bother doing it as nobody will buy it? New Focus RS http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpr...d-focus-rs.html Edited June 12, 2008 by Ford Jellymoulds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 A FWD Lincoln sounds like they are into building cheap and chearful nasty & tacky cars. All the quality cars use RWD, looks like more lost sales down the road for Lincoln. Where exactly are all these "lost sales" for Lincoln? They are in a more stable position now, FWD cars be damned, than they have been in well over a decade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Jellymoulds Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 (edited) Where exactly are all these "lost sales" for Lincoln? They are in a more stable position now, FWD cars be damned, than they have been in well over a decade. Sales down by one third Nick you call that stable they will be gone in three years if they carry on at this rate. Lincoln Jan-May Sales 2008 22,201 2007 33,795 Down -34.3 Edited June 12, 2008 by Ford Jellymoulds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 Sales down by one third Nick you call that stable they will be gone in three years if they carry on at this rate. Lincoln Jan-May Sales 2008 22,201 2007 33,795 Down -34.3 Umm...look where that 1/3 came from. Almost entirely from Navigator and Town Car, two products with predictably lower sales volumes. MKS and MKT will more than makeup for that drop off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueblood Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 A FWD Lincoln sounds like they are into building cheap and chearful nasty & tacky cars. All the quality cars use RWD, looks like more lost sales down the road for Lincoln. What's up with Ford lately they seem to have a lot of cash to burn & waste, even the new RS looks a big loser in Auto Express today, nobody will buy or touch the RS with a shitty FWD only version, Evo & Scoobie AWD sales will rocket the Focus will flop why even bother doing it as nobody will buy it? New Focus RS http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpr...d-focus-rs.html Damn that looks incredible, shame on them for making it FWD, that things gonna have zero traction off the line and out of turns, I don't care how good the LSD is, there's only so much power you can send to the front wheels before they lose grip. At that power level they are competing with the AWD STi's and Evo's, of course AWD adds more weight, you make up for that by adding power which the car can then handle. Hopefully the next gen focus gets AWD so they have no excuses. It's pretty stupid too when you consider that over here the Fusion has AWD, the Taurus has AWD, etc. And those cas don't even have the power to use it, it's for bad weather/low traction conditions. Yet for an all out performance model like the RS, they stick with FWD? Stupid. It'll be interesting to see who converts one to AWD first by swapping in a Kuga transaxle.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSFan00 Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 A. Lincoln is not a luxury car builder. This is a fantasy of Ford enthusiasts. In reality, they build nice Fords. B. Lincoln needed a nice compact about 5 years ago. This was a terrific idea as gas broke 2 bucks a gallon, now it is a necessity. Most Lincolns aren't actually $60K BMW-Jaguar competitors. Guys like Joe Sherlock don't even look at Lincolns. They need a mid-market compact, and they need it yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wescoent Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 A compact Lincoln will not fly. The MKZ is as small of a car as Lincoln can sell. One of Lincoln's hallmark traits is being roomy, and a compact Lincoln would make as much sense as a Ferrari limousine. Lincoln-Mercury DOES need a compact vehicle, and this would be perfect to design and sell under the MERCURY nameplate... hence why they need to stick around. Ford has a very nice range of B and C cars, which could be dressed up inside and out, given a super-smooth optional engine, and thus have the tactile nature to go head to head with premium compacts like Mini. Fiesta, Focus, Reflex, and EcoSport could all be made into very impressive Mercury models. Next up would be a compact RWD sedan to share with Mazda, but that's a product for another day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 A. Lincoln is not a luxury car builder. This is a fantasy of Ford enthusiasts. In reality, they build nice Fords. Mmm...yeah....keep on keepin' on. :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battyr Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 A. Lincoln is not a luxury car builder. This is a fantasy of Ford enthusiasts. In reality, they build nice Fords. B. Lincoln needed a nice compact about 5 years ago. This was a terrific idea as gas broke 2 bucks a gallon, now it is a necessity. Most Lincolns aren't actually $60K BMW-Jaguar competitors. Guys like Joe Sherlock don't even look at Lincolns. They need a mid-market compact, and they need it yesterday. Don't tell the Ford enthusiasts this, they will stop buying Lincolns. If Ford builds a Lincoln Focus they will believe you and stop buying Lincolns. What Lincoln is, is more a matter of perception, than anything. If you want to sell Lincolns as a Luxury car, it has too look and act as a luxury car. Lexus can do it with a small car, but Ford can not. Lincoln needs to stick to larger cars and more RWD cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battyr Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 To develop a Focus Lincoln would cost a lot of money that Ford does not have. They already build a luxury version of the Focus, it is the Volvo S40. Just sell it Lincolns dealerships as a Volvo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSFan00 Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 To develop a Focus Lincoln would cost a lot of money that Ford does not have. They already build a luxury version of the Focus, it is the Volvo S40. Just sell it Lincolns dealerships as a Volvo. Throw a Lincoln logo on it, put different wheels under it and away you go. Kind of like Saab with the Trailblazer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 (edited) I love hearing this "Lincoln is not a luxury car" bullshit from people who have never owned Lincolns. Edited June 16, 2008 by BORG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battyr Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 To develop a Focus Lincoln would cost a lot of money that Ford does not have. They already build a luxury version of the Focus, it is the Volvo S40. Just sell it Lincolns dealerships as a Volvo. I would think that Volvo and Lincoln would appeal to different people. It would be confusing to the customer to use the Lincoln name on a vehicle designed for Volvo buyers. It would be better for people to go to there favourite dealer and buy the brand within that dealership that matches their needs and personality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battyr Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 I love hearing this "Lincoln is not a luxury car" bullshit from people who have never owned Lincolns. Historically, Lincoln was considered a luxury car. The question is whether Lincoln can build a car that fulfills the same needs that a Lexus fulfills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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