suv_guy_19 Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 So , you are agreeing that once the Panthers are done...Ford will have nothing to offer. Interesting "about face" you did. Ford will have nothing to offer you, I agree, but really, they don't have anything to offer you now. You wouldn't buy a new car anyway, and that, along with many other reasons, is why you have nothing to offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 You wouldn't buy a new car anyway And that somehow devalues my opinion? Talk about arrogance... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 And that somehow devalues my opinion? Talk about arrogance... It does devalue your opinion, because your not in anybody's target market. Why should they listen to anything you say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armadamaster Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 It does devalue your opinion, because your not in anybody's target market. Why should they listen to anything you say? Because....aren't they all about luring in "new" customers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armadamaster Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 (edited) fail...seems you need to look in the mirror...comparing a midsize to a "full size"...no hang up about tempos at all...they ran and ran and ran, never dies, became a rental car fav because of it.....sound familiar? and as for the wait around comment...market is TOTALLY different to when the P came out...people DEMAND change now and at quicker intervals....funnily enough, walking thru the service drive only D3's I see are in for routine maintence.....so far so good....and none of them are yellow or black and white either...quite tasteful....( I wasn't comparing "size", I was pointing out: must admit I chuckled at the tempo photo next to the Taurus....similarities...LOL! ) That's a personal "attack"? The only thing "personal" about it is what's in your signature. And your love of panthers is what you post about every time, it should go with your signature. Yup, when you have no point to make other than berate what I drive, then it's a personal attack, and a weak one at that. I appreciate the Ranger, the Mustang, and the Fusion, I guess that means I need to own several of each to have an opinion? Edited August 29, 2008 by Armada Master Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 Yup, when you have no point to make other than berate what I drive, then it's a personal attack, and a weak one at that. I appreciate the Ranger, the Mustang, and the Fusion, I guess that means I need to own several of each to have an opinion? Exactly. You are not ALOUD to have an opinion on a specific vehicle until you personally purchase every vehicle in that specific class, test them, and rank the Ford on top. If you don't do that, you have no opinion. Funny though, I can name several publications that are staffed by people that work in the industry who's sole job is to drive and test cars. But what do they know...they only do what the :cheerleader: want us to do... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 I really couldn't care less. Once the panthers are done...Ford has nothing to offer. Nothing to offer......you......used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papilgee4evaeva Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 Exactly. You are not ALOUD to have an opinion on a specific vehicle until you personally purchase every vehicle in that specific class, test them, and rank the Ford on top. Since you do it to everyone else: ALLOWED Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 And that somehow devalues my opinion? Talk about arrogance... it does when all you do is berate the new product....drive some P, some is quite impressive...and NOT just ford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P71_CrownVic Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 Since you do it to everyone else: ALLOWED I bow to the master... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 A Panther with IRS would no longer be a Panther... it would be a ... well... whatever they decide to call that platform. ...Panther21?? As a tip to the 21st century?? Only 10 years late? :poke: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmm55 Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 You would think....somewhere in Ford's global architecture...there would be room for a new RWD car platform! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted August 29, 2008 Author Share Posted August 29, 2008 You would think....somewhere in Ford's global architecture...there would be room for a new RWD car platform! Especially if it shares powertrains and electricals with the Mustang. The 2010 V6 Falcon arrives in 2 years so the Aussie Falcon will stay until 2012. Ford are in no real hury either way with the question of FWD or RWD successor because the curent cars in both markets are filling the customer's needs and truthfully, the emphasis (and money) is better spent on the 85% of the market where sales of Focus/Fiesta/Fusion are far more important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiefstang Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 AAAARRRRGGGHHHH! I just went to three threads in a row, and found the same three people talking about the Pa er. Let it go! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted August 29, 2008 Author Share Posted August 29, 2008 AAAARRRRGGGHHHH! I just went to three threads in a row, and found the same three people talking about the Pa er. Let it go! You too, Why didn't you build on my post instead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armadamaster Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 AAAARRRRGGGHHHH! I just went to three threads in a row, and found the same three people talking about the Pa er. Let it go! See....that time woulda been better spent writing Ford to get the Panther it's overdue and deserved update. Be gone now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milstar 04 Sport Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 AAAARRRRGGGHHHH! I just went to three threads in a row, and found the same three people talking about the Pa er. Let it go! See....that time woulda been better spent writing Ford to get the Panther it's overdue and deserved update. Be gone now. Typing a letter is harder then net surfing. Besides, what do they know about BOF, and Panthers? What do you expect the censored car sales to look like, when it has its hands tied behind it back. The consumer model, still sells to fleets at 48.2%, or one out of two sales to fleets. Was that the goal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmm55 Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 Typing a letter is harder then net surfing. Besides, what do they know about BOF, and Panthers? What do you expect the censored car sales to look like, when it has its hands tied behind it back. The consumer model, still sells to fleets at 48.2%, or one out of two sales to fleets. Was that the goal? Is it just me, or did those four sentances make no sense???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armadamaster Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 Global Ford CEO backs Aussie Falcon but it may be FWD Then that would make it a....D3. I'll go on record as saying that I'll LMFAO if the almighty "Dear God why can't NA have one" infallible RWD Falcon gets outlasted by the Panthers. So....after 9 pages, what I am getting out of all this, is that AU is getting D3s. SOMEBODY'S gonna buy them, dammit! Just ask Mulally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted August 30, 2008 Author Share Posted August 30, 2008 (edited) I'll go on record as saying that I'll LMFAO if the almighty "Dear God why can't NA have one" infallible RWD Falcon gets outlasted by the Panthers. You'd be wrong again, The next Falcon, signed off two months ago goes on sale mid CY2010 and will run until the end of CY2012. 2012 = 52 years continuous production of Falcons at Broadmeadows. Falcon will out live the "short lived" panther platform, Muuuhhhhhaaahhhhhhaaaahhhhh!!!!!!!! But seriously Armada Master, I read the updates to the 2009 Crown Victoria and I gotta say, Ford have improved the this model in serious ways - thorax airbags, adjustable pedals and better brakes offering up to 10 feet reduction in 60-0 braking distance - that is a substantial upgrade. Edited August 30, 2008 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemiman Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 (edited) You'd be wrong again, The next Falcon, signed off two months ago goes on sale mid CY2010 and will run until the end of CY2012. 2012 = 52 years continuous production of Falcons at Broadmeadows. Falcon will out live the "short lived" panther platform, Muuuhhhhhaaahhhhhhaaaahhhhh!!!!!!!! But seriously Armada Master, I read the updates to the 2009 Crown Victoria and I gotta say, Ford have improved the this model in serious ways - thorax airbags, adjustable pedals and better brakes offering up to 10 feet reduction in 60-0 braking distance - that is a substantial upgrade. 2010 it's going to get a 3.6L Turbo-Diesel 272hp and 36mpg hwy, 25mpg combined (NA emissions tune). 39mpg hwy 29.5mpg combined (export emissions tune). Should be great for livery service as well as PD's that want to reduce fuel costs. Not sure why there is no talk of at least a 3V MOD. Things are looking up. Edited August 30, 2008 by Hemiman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 2010 it's going to get a 3.6L Turbo-Diesel ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted August 30, 2008 Author Share Posted August 30, 2008 2010 it's going to get a 3.6L Turbo-Diesel You mean the F150's 4.4 from Mexico, right? :shades: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemiman Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 (edited) You mean the F150's 4.4 from Mexico, right? :shades: Close, all the same except, smaller bore, pistons, & tune. Edited August 31, 2008 by Hemiman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armadamaster Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 But seriously Armada Master, I read the updates to the 2009 Crown Victoria and I gotta say, Ford have improved the this model in serious ways - thorax airbags, adjustable pedals and better brakes offering up to 10 feet reduction in 60-0 braking distance - that is a substantial upgrade. 2010 it's going to get a 3.6L Turbo-Diesel 272hp and 36mpg hwy, 25mpg combined (NA emissions tune). 39mpg hwy 29.5mpg combined (export emissions tune). Should be great for livery service as well as PD's that want to reduce fuel costs. Not sure why there is no talk of at least a 3V MOD. Things are looking up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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