How this Presidential Election WILL affect the UAW or any Union.

[cecilmeyer]

Here is a link for the democrats. Thanks to listening to Bob Dutko today I came across this website. This is a link to the socialist party, aka. communist party. Doesn't this sound exactly like the democratic party?

 

http://www.sp-usa.org

 

 

He also made a good point saying today, that the old school democrats used phrases like "It's not what you country can do for you, but what can you do for your country"

Now it's what can my government do for me. Think about it.

Fascism(A political philosophy,movement,or regime that exalts nation and often race and stands for centralized autocratic often militaristic government).Sounds like the America I am living in right now.And which political party brought this to America?Many nations have safety nets for their people such as socialized healthcare.I guess you should not use the highways, air travel(air traffic controllers) , social security,unemployent,police, firemen,school teachers,food inspectors.Should I continue?Just what is it with you republicans being against anything that is for the common good of all people?Most European nations have socialistic policies and their people are doing just fine.They have longer lifespans and better standards of living.Just what is it that fills you republicans up with such a

lack of empathy for the poor and the sick?

Edited September 6, 2008 by cecilmeyer

[NAP wife]

As for universal healthcare, that is a joke! Do your research and find out how well it's doing in Canada. Try waiting 9 months for an MRI.

 

And actually it's been the democrats bringing in the socialist movement. It's the liberal judges, don't blame it on Bush.

 

 

 

Fascism(A political philosophy,movement,or regime that exalts nation and often race and stands for centralized autocratic often militaristic government).Sounds like the America I am living in right now.And which political party brought this to America?Many nations have safety nets for their people such as socialized healthcare.I guess you should not use the highways, air travel(air traffic controllers) , social security,unemployent,police, firemen,school teachers,food inspectors.Should I continue?Just what is it with you republicans being against anything that is for the common good of all people?Most European nations have socialistic policies and their people are doing just fine.They have longer lifespans and better standards of living.Just what is it that fills you republicans up with such a

lack of empathy for the poor and the sick?

[NAP wife]

ding da ding ding....hear that cowbell ring

 

Did you know that John McCain has the same first name as John Dillenger? John Wayne Gacy? John Gotti? Oh my! Anyone with the first name of John must be a criminal!

 

 

It's not his name it's what he says and does.

[local400future]

Here is a link for the democrats. Thanks to listening to Bob Dutko today I came across this website. This is a link to the socialist party, aka. communist party. Doesn't this sound exactly like the democratic party?

 

http://www.sp-usa.org

 

 

He also made a good point saying today, that the old school democrats used phrases like "It's not what you country can do for you, but what can you do for your country"

Now it's what can my government do for me. Think about it.

 

Are you affiliated with the union? You do realize that a union is a socialist organization, don't you?

 

BTW, what exactly has the Republican party done for you that makes them so great? Mind you, I am not defending the Democrats here, I just think they have the better of the two candidates this election. I am not blindly voting for Obama because he is Democrat, I researched his platform. Unfortunately for the Republican candidate, he is saddled with 8 years of Bush. He was in a position to do something, yet he chose not to. Now he tries to say he is all about change, yet the support he has shown Bush has proven otherwise.

 

Now if you think things are grand under Bush, then I can understand your support for McCain. If you don't like Bush, but are still supporting McCain, that makes no sense. Argue you all you want that he is a "maverick", yet the past 8 years have proven his is a tried and true Republican (Bush).

[local400future]

It's not his name it's what he says and does.

 

Then why the emphasis on his middle name?

[local400future]

As for universal healthcare, that is a joke! Do your research and find out how well it's doing in Canada. Try waiting 9 months for an MRI.

 

And actually it's been the democrats bringing in the socialist movement. It's the liberal judges, don't blame it on Bush.

 

Typical fear mongoring. "It doesn't work in Canada, so we won't do it!" How about tailoring a system that will work in the US? Just because the models that are currently in place in other countries may not work here does not mean we shouldn't do anything. That's a very juvenile mentality.

[NAP wife]

I don't care for McCain much either. He is not the one I voted for in the primary, but I see it as a lesser of the two evils. I vote on morals, and with Obama's track record I guess I am one of those people that clings to their religion and guns. And yes I know the UAW supports the democrats, but I don't think that makes it right. Obama is not for this country. He won't put his hand on his heart during the National Anthem and he won't wear an American flag pin. His wife is now just saying she is now proud of this country. And husband and wife usually thing alike. As for McCain the only hope he has is Palin. And yes I am also one of those Pro-Lifers. It's amazing what a heated topic this is for everyone. Including myself I guess.

 

 

 

Are you affiliated with the union? You do realize that a union is a socialist organization, don't you?

 

BTW, what exactly has the Republican party done for you that makes them so great? Mind you, I am not defending the Democrats here, I just think they have the better of the two candidates this election. I am not blindly voting for Obama because he is Democrat, I researched his platform. Unfortunately for the Republican candidate, he is saddled with 8 years of Bush. He was in a position to do something, yet he chose not to. Now he tries to say he is all about change, yet the support he has shown Bush has proven otherwise.

 

Now if you think things are grand under Bush, then I can understand your support for McCain. If you don't like Bush, but are still supporting McCain, that makes no sense. Argue you all you want that he is a "maverick", yet the past 8 years have proven his is a tried and true Republican (Bush).

[NAP wife]

Typical fear mongoring. "It doesn't work in Canada, so we won't do it!" How about tailoring a system that will work in the US? Just because the models that are currently in place in other countries may not work here does not mean we shouldn't do anything. That's a very juvenile mentality.

 

 

Actually maturity come from learning from other people's mistakes.

[local400future]

I don't care for McCain much either. He is not the one I voted for in the primary, but I see it as a lesser of the two evils. I vote on morals, and with Obama's track record I guess I am one of those people that clings to their religion and guns. And yes I know the UAW supports the democrats, but I don't think that makes it right. Obama is not for this country. He won't put his hand on his heart during the National Anthem and he won't wear an American flag pin. His wife is now just saying she is now proud of this country. And husband and wife usually thing alike. As for McCain the only hope he has is Palin. And yes I am also one of those Pro-Lifers. It's amazing what a heated topic this is for everyone. Including myself I guess.

 

You do realize that you can be pro-choice, but anti abortion? I know it doesn't make sense, but just because you are anti abortion, doesn't mean you have the right to force it upon someone else. That is pretty much the democratic stance. Let people make their own decisions and when people make mistakes, we'll be there for them. The republican stance is we will make rules that people have to live by and when they make mistakes, screw em, they knew the rules.

 

Do you honestly believe that Obama doesn't have morals? The guy has been married to one woman, father of two, man of faith. As to what his wife said, I can understand how a black woman may not be overly proud of this country. We preach freedom, yet restrict our own citizens.

 

He won't put his hand over his heart? I have 8 years of service and have not once put my hand over my heart for the anthem. Does that mean I don't love my country? Same with the pin, who cares. The guy has dedicated his life to public service, give him some credit.

[local400future]

Actually maturity come from learning from other people's mistakes.

 

....and not repeating them. Your answer is to not try at all.

[daytrader millionaire]

Typical fear mongoring. "It doesn't work in Canada, so we won't do it!" How about tailoring a system that will work in the US? Just because the models that are currently in place in other countries may not work here does not mean we shouldn't do anything. That's a very juvenile mentality.

 

 

 

 

 

Can any of are fellow caw's let us know if your healthcare system is as bad as NAF WIFE is claiming.

[Skilled1]

Here is Geore W Bushs credentials and remember McCain voted over 95% of the time with Bush.....only fools would think McCain would do better.

 

Only a fool would vote the same and expect a different result. McCain is more Bush.

 

 

Ran for congress and lost.

Bought an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in Texas; company went bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock.

Bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart deal that took land using taxpayer money. Biggest move: Traded Sammy Sosa to the Chicago White Sox.

With father's help (and his name) was elected Governor of Texas.

Accomplishments in Previous Positions

 

Changed pollution laws for power and oil companies and made Texas the most polluted state in the Union.

 

Replaced Los Angeles with Houston as the most smog-ridden city in America. Cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas government to the tune of billions in borrowed money.

 

Set record for most executions by any governor in American history.

 

Became president after losing the popular vote by over 500,000 votes, with the help of my father's appointments to the Supreme Court.

 

Accomplishments As President

 

Attacked and took over two countries.

Spent the surplus and bankrupted the treasury.

Shattered record for biggest annual deficit in history.

Set economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12-month period.

Set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market.

First president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.

First president in U.S. history to enter office with a criminal record.

First year in office set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in U.S. history.

After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, presided over the worst security failure in U.S. history.

Set the record for most campaign fundraising trips than any other president in U.S. history.

In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their job.

Cut unemployment benefits for more out of work Americans than any president in U.S. history.

Set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12-month period.

Appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in U.S. history.

Set the record for the least amount of press conferences than any president since the advent of television.

Signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any president in U.S. history.

Presided over the biggest energy crises in U.S. history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.

Presided over the highest gasoline prices in U.S. history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have.

Cut healthcare benefits for war veterans.

Set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind.

Dissolved more international treaties than any president in U.S. history.

My presidency is the most secretive and unaccountable of any in U.S. history.

Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in U.S. history (the 'poorest' multimillionaire, Condoleezza Rice, has an Exxon oil tanker named after her).

First president in U.S. history to have all 50 states of the Union simultaneously go bankrupt.

Presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market in any country in the history of the world.

First president in U.S. history to order a U.S. attack and military occupation of a sovereign nation.

Created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States.

Set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any president in U.S. history.

First president in U.S. history to have the United Nations remove the U.S. from the human rights commission.

First president in U.S. history to have the United Nations remove the U.S. from the elections monitoring board.

Removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in U.S. history.

Rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.

Withdrew from the World Court of Law.

Refused to allow inspectors access to U.S. prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.

First president in U.S. history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 U.S. elections).

All-time U.S. (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations.

My biggest lifetime campaign contributor presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron Corporation).

Spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in U.S. history.

First president in U.S. history to unilaterally attack a sovereign nation against the will of the United Nations and the world community.

First president to run and hide when the U.S. came under attack (and then lied saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1)

First U.S. president to establish a secret shadow government.

Took the biggest world sympathy for the U.S. after 9/11, and in less than a year made the U.S. the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in U.S. and world history).

With a policy of 'disengagement' created the most hostile Israeli-Palestine relations in at least 30 years.

Fist U.S. president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.

First U.S. president in history to have the people of South Korea more threatened by the U.S. than their immediate neighbor, North Korea.

Changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.

Set all-time record for number of administration appointees who violated U.S. law by not selling huge investments in corporations bidding for government contracts.

Failed to fulfill my pledge to get Osama Bin Laden 'dead or alive.'

Failed to capture the anthrax killer who tried to murder the leaders of our country at the United States Capital building. After 18 months I have no leads and zero suspects.

In the 18 months following the 9/11 attacks I have successfully prevented any public investigation into the biggest security failure in the history of the United States.

Removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in U.S. history.

In a little over two years created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided the U.S. has ever been since the Civil War.

Entered office with the strongest economy in U.S. history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.

Records and References

 

At least one conviction for drunk driving in Maine (Texas driving record has been erased and is not available)

AWOL from National Guard and deserted the military during a time of war.

Refuse to take drug test or even answer any questions about drug use.

All records of my tenure as governor of Texas have been spirited away to my father's library, sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.

All records of any SEC investigations into my insider trading or bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.

All minutes of meetings for any public corporation I served on the board are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.

Any records or minutes from meetings I (or my VP) attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review.

For personal references please speak to my daddy or uncle James Baker (they can be reached at their offices of the Carlyle Group for war-profiteering.)

 

Vote For McCain and expect more turmoil....

 

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[condor]

Do you understand that Mccain wants to make you report your premiums your employer pays for your health care. Which means you will have to pay taxes on roughly $12000 in extra earnings a year!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So lets see at an average of 25% taxes of income, this stupid move will cost us roughly on average $3000 right out of are pockets!!!!!!!!!! GREAT MOVE MCCAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And how the hell does this make health insurance affordably!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

It costs ford half of that for your healthcare. Check your earnings and benefit statement before you start spouting off. I do agree that making that taxable is stupid but I think universal healthcare taked the fucking cake.

[condor]

Are you affiliated with the union? You do realize that a union is a socialist organization, don't you?

 

BTW, what exactly has the Republican party done for you that makes them so great? Mind you, I am not defending the Democrats here, I just think they have the better of the two candidates this election. I am not blindly voting for Obama because he is Democrat, I researched his platform. Unfortunately for the Republican candidate, he is saddled with 8 years of Bush. He was in a position to do something, yet he chose not to. Now he tries to say he is all about change, yet the support he has shown Bush has proven otherwise.

 

Now if you think things are grand under Bush, then I can understand your support for McCain. If you don't like Bush, but are still supporting McCain, that makes no sense. Argue you all you want that he is a "maverick", yet the past 8 years have proven his is a tried and true Republican (Bush).

 

The Uaw is big business just like Ford. They are in the business of selling labor nothing more, nothing less. If you think you are part of some "movement" think again. You are more like and industrial athlete. You pay somebody to negotiate your pay, beneifits,working conditions, etc.

[Indy]

He won't put his hand on his heart during the National Anthem and he won't wear an American flag pin.

 

 

Sorry, that's not entirely true. That story comes from one photo taken by Time magazine that was jumped all over by the press. Do a Google image search and you'll see these:

 

 

Personally, I think this one is INCREDIBLY funny!

 

[Captain723]

Clinton didn't just lie about it... he lied to a grand jury, try that and see what happens to you.

So did Kilpatrick!!!!

[Captain723]

The Uaw is big business just like Ford. They are in the business of selling labor nothing more, nothing less. If you think you are part of some "movement" think again. You are more like and industrial athlete. You pay somebody to negotiate your pay, beneifits,working conditions, etc.

Yeah and without the UAW you would have a middle class in America!!! Rich and poor. There are a lot of people who think that they are rich and vote republican, but wait till the middle class is gone and you will see that you are with the rest of us.....near the bottom of the food chain. We can either fight and elect someone that is fighting for the middle class or we can all be poor. I am not saying that he isn't a politician....they all are, but he is the only one that is going to give us opportunities to prosper!!! People better open up their eyes!!

 

On another not...did anyone see comedy centeral last night?? They had Mcbush, I mean Mcain's acceptance speach and they panned to bush's acceptance speak...they kept going back and forth and they were exactly the same. I am trying to find it on YOUTUBE. When I do I will post it. It is absolutely hilarious!!

[Captain723]

You do realize that you can be pro-choice, but anti abortion? I know it doesn't make sense, but just because you are anti abortion, doesn't mean you have the right to force it upon someone else. That is pretty much the democratic stance. Let people make their own decisions and when people make mistakes, we'll be there for them. The republican stance is we will make rules that people have to live by and when they make mistakes, screw em, they knew the rules.

 

Do you honestly believe that Obama doesn't have morals? The guy has been married to one woman, father of two, man of faith. As to what his wife said, I can understand how a black woman may not be overly proud of this country. We preach freedom, yet restrict our own citizens.

 

He won't put his hand over his heart? I have 8 years of service and have not once put my hand over my heart for the anthem. Does that mean I don't love my country? Same with the pin, who cares. The guy has dedicated his life to public service, give him some credit.

Bush is against abortion also....did you know that abortion has risen since he has been in office. He has done nothing to curb abortion!!! His whole 8 yrs have been an abortion!

[Captain723]

As for universal healthcare, that is a joke! Do your research and find out how well it's doing in Canada. Try waiting 9 months for an MRI.

 

And actually it's been the democrats bringing in the socialist movement. It's the liberal judges, don't blame it on Bush.

The only joke is that you think that you are a republican. Unless you have a million in the back, you are not a millionaire!! They do not wait 9 mnths for a MRI either. The republican hate universal healthcare because then they wouldn't be able to rape the working people of american on healthcare costs and perscription drugs. The republican want you to pay for all your healthcare out of your pocket. WAKE UP AMERICA!!! THE RICH MAKE UP ONLY 20% OF AMERICA. IF YOU AIN'T IN THAT 20% YOU ARE THE WORKING CLASS/MIDDLE CLASS. All you have to do is ask yourself...are you and everyone in your family better today than you were 8 yrs ago!! Top 2 elected officials in the US are tied to oil....how did that work out for us.......4 dollar per gallon gas!!

[Captain723]

This is a typical republican response. Instead of trying to lift people up you guys want to point fingers and cry because you believe someone is getting something of yours. Well unless your in your 70's or older I can guarntee that you are lucky as ever to have the pay and benefits that you and your family get. (You didn't do anything to deserve what you got) you just got a lucky break and got a good UAW job. It was the dem's who wanted and still do to lift the standard of living up for everyone. Not just a crooked few. Its sad that you are so selfish. If your so great why not quit a union shop and go out in the real world and make your mark. HMM. Because you cant. How can you tell how great a county is? By how it takes care of its elderly, downtroden and poor. I'll bet you voted to make the retirees pay more of their health Insurance.

That is the diversion that Republicans like to do....they point the finger at everyone else, while they sneak thee hand in your back pocket!!

[Captain723]

There is nothing, which is the same as the other party.

the other party at least says he will give the working class a shot....there is no shot for us with McBush!!

[daytrader millionaire]

It costs ford half of that for your health care. Check your earnings and benefit statement before you start spouting off. I do agree that making that taxable is stupid but I think universal health care taked the fucking cake.

 

 

HEY JACK ASS I did check and it cost $11276 just for health care and that was for calendar year 2006 which we know cost a hell of a lot more now!!!!!!!! You need to do your research before you start spouting off thank you.

[cecilmeyer]

As for universal healthcare, that is a joke! Do your research and find out how well it's doing in Canada. Try waiting 9 months for an MRI.

 

And actually it's been the democrats bringing in the socialist movement. It's the liberal judges, don't blame it on Bush.

What about 50 million Americans that if they needed an MRI will NEVER get one because they have no insurance?Also if the Canadian system is so bad why are their prescription drugs cheaper and their life spans longer?

[condor]

HEY JACK ASS I did check and it cost $11276 just for health care and that was for calendar year 2006 which we know cost a hell of a lot more now!!!!!!!! You need to do your research before you start spouting off thank you.

Wow Jackass mine was just over 6,000.00 We must work for different companies.

[daytrader millionaire]

Wow Jackass mine was just over 6,000.00 We must work for different companies.

 

 

 

 

I don't know im married with 3 kids maybe thats why mine cost the company more.