How this Presidential Election WILL affect the UAW or any Union.

[fordktpjoe]

"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." ~Adolph Hitler

 

Funny....the first thing I thought of when I read this quote was Bill Clinton.

[4rd4life]

As long as the dems want to take the money I work for and give it to some lazy fuck that doesn't want to work they will never get my vote. People should learn how to take care of themselves. Its called personal responsibility. Too many people out there live driving nice cars, big screen tvs, yada yada and then they CRY about the cost of healthcare. Adapt your life to be able to at least afford Major Madical in case you or someone in your family gets seriously ill. Bunch of socialists on this site.

 

Who tried and had the best attempt to reform welfare I do believe it was Clinton, and then what happened when Bush took office, we have more people on welfare now than we ever had and you want to talk about social programs there are more social programs in place now than 8 years ago, and Bush said it best when referring to people like Castro, Chavez, Kim Jong-il etc. etc. and I quote, It is easier to be a Dictator than a President. with that in mind what is the steps to becoming a dictatorship you break everyone you allow them to be in social programs you let the large corporation's take control then you remove the social programs, then you dictate to your country if you want to keep getting any assistance you will work for these companies and work for what they feel your worth.

 

And now you tell me how does a person that has lost their job to adapt their life style to afford major medical have you ever priced health care, I have a friend that was considering the buyout he is married and two young kids he checked on cobra so he could continue his health care and it was $1400 a month but only for so long then it goes up, now you say McCain will fix health care 1400 x 12 = 16,800 a year and all he wants to do is give you for a family is a $5000 tax credit well $16,800 - $5000 = $11,800 so now your still talking about $1000 a month out of your family's budget, what about the other things necessary to living, food, utilities, mortgage, taxes, insurance, clothing, household and automotive repairs, education, there is more not everyone is looking for a hand out and I will tell you I have know problem paying my taxes in order to help a family that are trying and need a little assistance to get back on path.

Thank God we have some good org. out there like St.Jude, and the Shriners and many others, for taking care of people with all forms of cancer and crippling bone and muscular disease's, by the way you sound if you don't have the ability's you do not deserve to exist. I guess if that makes me a socialist I'm proud of it and I have no problem helping somebody less fortunate.

[The Salaried Union Guy]

The Republican preach about the Democrats wanting to take the guns away. WRONG! They want gun control. Yes, criminals will get guns, laws or no laws, but there is no reason in the world for a hunter out there hunting deer to need an AK-47. And yes, I know what I'm talking about! These guns get into the hands of radicals and into the cities and thats how the criminals gets them. YES, Thats how they get them!

 

There is nothing wrong with hunting deer with a AK-47 (semi auto). 7.62x39 works great at dropping deer. There is also nothing wrong with defending my home, property and family with a ak-47 (semi auto). Gun control laws will never work because criminals dont follow laws (thats why they are criminals!!!!)

[99ktpbirdman]

Who tried and had the best attempt to reform welfare I do believe it was Clinton, and then what happened when Bush took office, we have more people on welfare now than we ever had and you want to talk about social programs there are more social programs in place now than 8 years ago, and Bush said it best when referring to people like Castro, Chavez, Kim Jong-il etc. etc. and I quote, It is easier to be a Dictator than a President. with that in mind what is the steps to becoming a dictatorship you break everyone you allow them to be in social programs you let the large corporation's take control then you remove the social programs, then you dictate to your country if you want to keep getting any assistance you will work for these companies and work for what they feel your worth.

 

And now you tell me how does a person that has lost their job to adapt their life style to afford major medical have you ever priced health care, I have a friend that was considering the buyout he is married and two young kids he checked on cobra so he could continue his health care and it was $1400 a month but only for so long then it goes up, now you say McCain will fix health care 1400 x 12 = 16,800 a year and all he wants to do is give you for a family is a $5000 tax credit well $16,800 - $5000 = $11,800 so now your still talking about $1000 a month out of your family's budget, what about the other things necessary to living, food, utilities, mortgage, taxes, insurance, clothing, household and automotive repairs, education, there is more not everyone is looking for a hand out and I will tell you I have know problem paying my taxes in order to help a family that are trying and need a little assistance to get back on path.

Thank God we have some good org. out there like St.Jude, and the Shriners and many others, for taking care of people with all forms of cancer and crippling bone and muscular disease's, by the way you sound if you don't have the ability's you do not deserve to exist. I guess if that makes me a socialist I'm proud of it and I have no problem helping somebody less fortunate.

Man you must spend a lot of time on your lib websites to make republicans look like bad people. And then you acuse people getting info from fox news. O.K.

[Indy]

Funny....the first thing I thought of when I read this quote was Bill Clinton.

 

 

That is funny! The first thing I thought of was Karl Rove.

 

The second was Dick Cheney.

 

The third was Dubbya.

 

 

You do bring up a good point though, I now know what some folks thought of when they saw Clinton because bush turns my stomach just as much..... Probably more so.

 

BTW, how many wars did Clinton get us into? I'm forgetting.

[4rd4life]

Man you must spend a lot of time on your lib websites to make republicans look like bad people. And then you acuse people getting info from fox news. O.K.

 

Read McCain's health care plan it's on his website or is McCain.com to liberal for you thats where I got it from.

[Indy]

As long as the dems want to take the money I work for and give it to some lazy fuck that doesn't want to work they will never get my vote. People should learn how to take care of themselves. Its called personal responsibility. Too many people out there live driving nice cars, big screen tvs, yada yada and then they CRY about the cost of healthcare. Adapt your life to be able to at least afford Major Madical in case you or someone in your family gets seriously ill. Bunch of socialists on this site.

 

I keep missing something here. Exactly which democrat ran on the "Taking the money I work for and giving it to some lazy f--k" platform?

 

Do you personally know these folks out there who are screwing the system all the while living on the Gold Coast, eating caviar, driving nice cars and watching big screen T.V.'s? Seriously, do you KNOW these people?

 

The cost of healthcare is out of control and if you don't think it's a problem, you haven't looked.

 

I'll tell you what, lets do an experiment. Since you folks think that we need to do away with healthcare altogether and pay our own way so the prices will go down. Lets all renounce our insurance and see what happens........... You first.

[mulewright]

I keep missing something here. Exactly which democrat ran on the "Taking the money I work for and giving it to some lazy f--k" platform?

 

Do you personally know these folks out there who are screwing the system all the while living on the Gold Coast, eating caviar, driving nice cars and watching big screen T.V.'s? Seriously, do you KNOW these people?

 

The cost of healthcare is out of control and if you don't think it's a problem, you haven't looked.

 

I'll tell you what, lets do an experiment. Since you folks think that we need to do away with healthcare altogether and pay our own way so the prices will go down. Lets all renounce our insurance and see what happens........... You first.

Nobody thinks we have to do away with healthcare, the question is " how do we control the runaway costs of providing healthcare"

Obama thinks that a big government Department of Healthcare" will be able to do it. If all the other countries that have tried this approach are any example there will be much higher taxes to pay for it and a reduced average level of services in order to be able to give it to everyone. If you have good healthcare like we do, you can expect less.

 

I know he say's that if you have healthcare now ,you can keep it and if you don't we'll give you the same knid of insurance Congress gives itself... read between the lines, what company is going to continue to offer you healthcare under that scenario

[fmccap]

-We need oil. Its that simple. Im all for new energy sources, but until we perfect new technology, drilling for our own oil is the short term answer. McCains for drilling, Obama is not for drilling.

-McCain is a straight talker. He will tell us the way it is, and not try to dance around the tough questions. (recall Obama's reply about the issue being above his pay grade)

 

These are just a few of my opinions on this election. Please keep in mind that as a union, we are about half republicians, and half democrats. I believe that the union should be neutral on politics. If they want to donate money to a canidate, then they should ask our permission to do so. After all, it is our money they are giving away. I welcome any replys to my post.

If I remember correctly he was against offshore drilling when he ran in 2000, right?

 

That leads to the straight talk express that has a flat tire.

 

He is just the same as all the other politicians.

[condor]

Who tried and had the best attempt to reform welfare I do believe it was Clinton, and then what happened when Bush took office, we have more people on welfare now than we ever had and you want to talk about social programs there are more social programs in place now than 8 years ago, and Bush said it best when referring to people like Castro, Chavez, Kim Jong-il etc. etc. and I quote, It is easier to be a Dictator than a President. with that in mind what is the steps to becoming a dictatorship you break everyone you allow them to be in social programs you let the large corporation's take control then you remove the social programs, then you dictate to your country if you want to keep getting any assistance you will work for these companies and work for what they feel your worth.

 

And now you tell me how does a person that has lost their job to adapt their life style to afford major medical have you ever priced health care, I have a friend that was considering the buyout he is married and two young kids he checked on cobra so he could continue his health care and it was $1400 a month but only for so long then it goes up, now you say McCain will fix health care 1400 x 12 = 16,800 a year and all he wants to do is give you for a family is a $5000 tax credit well $16,800 - $5000 = $11,800 so now your still talking about $1000 a month out of your family's budget, what about the other things necessary to living, food, utilities, mortgage, taxes, insurance, clothing, household and automotive repairs, education, there is more not everyone is looking for a hand out and I will tell you I have know problem paying my taxes in order to help a family that are trying and need a little assistance to get back on path.

Thank God we have some good org. out there like St.Jude, and the Shriners and many others, for taking care of people with all forms of cancer and crippling bone and muscular disease's, by the way you sound if you don't have the ability's you do not deserve to exist. I guess if that makes me a socialist I'm proud of it and I have no problem helping somebody less fortunate.

 

You can find major medical much cheaper than that. I bought my own insurance before I worked for Ford and I paid 186.00 per month. I didn't have to suck the tax payer tit. Its called personal responsibility. If someone can't take care of their children they shouldn't have them. The dems think Americans are too stupid to take care of themselves. "give us your money and we'll protect you from yourselves".

[fordktpjoe]

That is funny! The first thing I thought of was Karl Rove.

 

The second was Dick Cheney.

 

The third was Dubbya.

 

You're allowed your opinion. And I am ok that it differs from mine. Wanna see a pack of lies? Watch Al Gore's movie.

 

 

You do bring up a good point though, I now know what some folks thought of when they saw Clinton because bush turns my stomach just as much..... Probably more so.

 

LOL! "I did NOT have sex with that young woman!" and "It depends on what your definition of 'is' is." Used to turn my stomach...I got over it. Until I see him on TV.

 

BTW, how many wars did Clinton get us into? I'm forgetting.

 

I guess you're forgetting Bosnia then. What a fiasco that was. I will grant you that it didn't last as long as operation Iraqi Freedom though. Only three years.

[local400future]

I am a proud union republician, and I will tell you why Im voting for the McCain/Palin ticket. I offer my thoughts on this subject with the hope that democrats will reply to my post with the same respect I extend to you as a fellow union member. I will offer you several reasons why Im voting for McCain/Palin:

 

-McCain served, and retired from the military. He understands how the military works.

-I believe we will be attacked again. Regardless of who wins the election, some terriorist will try to test the new president. McCain will be stronger in responding to an attack.

-We need oil. Its that simple. Im all for new energy sources, but until we perfect new technology, drilling for our own oil is the short term answer. McCains for drilling, Obama is not for drilling.

-McCain is pro second amendment. This issue is near and dear to me. If we ever lose the second amendment, then we will surely lose our other freedoms. I know several members of the NRA who do not even own guns, but they value the Bill of Rights.

-McCain is a straight talker. He will tell us the way it is, and not try to dance around the tough questions. (recall Obama's reply about the issue being above his pay grade)

 

These are just a few of my opinions on this election. Please keep in mind that as a union, we are about half republicians, and half democrats. I believe that the union should be neutral on politics. If they want to donate money to a canidate, then they should ask our permission to do so. After all, it is our money they are giving away. I welcome any replys to my post.

 

Finally! A Republican supporter who has reasons to vote for McCain other than he's not Obama.

 

Not that I agree.

 

Military experience: It's a no brainer that McCain has it and Obama doesn't, but how does that qualify him to be president?

 

Attacked again: There have been two major attacks on US soil since the War of 1812: Pearl Harbor and 9/11. In the case of Pearl Harbor, the Democratic president responded properly and eliminated the threat in under 5 years. 9/11, the Republican president made a token showing of going after Bin Laden, then redirected attention on a non existant threat. Six years later, still in a war that we supposedly won, oil prices are at an all time high and US service men are still dying. Personally, I think anyone who voted to invade Iraq, Republican or Democrat, should be forced to live there until this is over. Especially Lieberman.

 

Oil: Yes, we do need it. Obama is for drilling as long as it doesn't detract from looking for alternative sources.

 

Second Amendment: It's just a Republican smoke screen. With all the guns in this country, do you really think it's possible to overturn the Second Amendment? We'd be looking at about 30% of the population becoming criminals. Bottom line, it ain't going anywhere.

 

Straight talker: Please, they're both politicians.

 

I watched Obama's speech last week and I'm recording Palin's and McCain's tonight and tomorrow night. Here is what Obama said in a nutshell.

 

-Lower taxes for the middle class

-Eliminating tax loopholes for the rich

-Turn our focus from Iraq to Afganistan

-Research alternative fuels which will in turn create jobs

-Help the auto companies (American manufaturing in general) to retool for the future

 

Obviously there was more, but those are the 5 most important to me. McCain needs to touch on these also, but I really don't think he can sell himself as well as Obama. Plus, please, please, PLEASE stop bringing up being a POW. We know!

 

Lastly, gotta love the Republicans trying to use a hurrican for political gain.

 

For the record, I am an independent.

[local400future]

You can find major medical much cheaper than that. I bought my own insurance before I worked for Ford and I paid 186.00 per month. I didn't have to suck the tax payer tit. Its called personal responsibility. If someone can't take care of their children they shouldn't have them. The dems think Americans are too stupid to take care of themselves. "give us your money and we'll protect you from yourselves".

 

Just shut up with this personal responsibility. You do realize that there are people out there who do everything the right way yet still fall on hard times? What happens when you have a good job, with good pay and benifits, so it's "OK" by your standards to have kids, then you lose that job because of downsizing?

Try using a little compasion.

 

Typical Republican cattle response.

[sullivanbob2000]

Middle Class Republicans , make sure you thank your Republican friends when they ship your job to China, Vietnam or India. Please also buy american made guns. Just like this fine democrat, from a hard working union family.

Republican = Take from the poor and give to the wealthy. History tells the truth 1980-2008 .

[Indy]

Nobody thinks we have to do away with healthcare, the question is " how do we control the runaway costs of providing healthcare"

Obama thinks that a big government Department of Healthcare" will be able to do it. If all the other countries that have tried this approach are any example there will be much higher taxes to pay for it and a reduced average level of services in order to be able to give it to everyone. If you have good healthcare like we do, you can expect less.

 

I know he say's that if you have healthcare now ,you can keep it and if you don't we'll give you the same knid of insurance Congress gives itself... read between the lines, what company is going to continue to offer you healthcare under that scenario

 

Ah! A non-venemous answer. Thank you for not being condescending, rude, vulgar, or stereotypical in your response.

 

Unfortunately, I can meet your viewpoint only partially and that is OK. That's the beauty of the country that we live in.

 

What I can't stand is people who get on here and spew out hatred and stereotype everyone who has ever needed help as a "lazy f--k" and someone who thinks they are entitled to something. That was the main thrust of my reply.

 

Also, read some of the half-witted replies on this thread. There are people on here who think that healthcare should be done away with. As if prices on a heart transplant will suddenly become affordable to everyone if this happens.

 

I would leave you with this, it's OK to read between the lines--to a point. I know that I do it too, and so does everyone else. Sometimes people get so wrapped up in the pundits and commentators spin tactics that they miss the point completely and we end up with some of the responses that are contained on this thread.

[mulewright]

Attacked again: There have been two major attacks on US soil since the War of 1812: Pearl Harbor and 9/11. In the case of Pearl Harbor, the Democratic president responded properly and eliminated the threat in under 5 years. 9/11, the Republican president made a token showing of going after Bin Laden, then redirected attention on a non existant threat. Six years later, still in a war that we supposedly won, oil prices are at an all time high and US service men are still dying. Personally, I think anyone who voted to invade Iraq, Republican or Democrat, should be forced to live there until this is over. Especially Lieberman.

 

Oil: Yes, we do need it. Obama is for drilling as long as it doesn't detract from looking for alternative sources.

 

Second Amendment: It's just a Republican smoke screen. With all the guns in this country, do you really think it's possible to overturn the Second Amendment? We'd be looking at about 30% of the population becoming criminals. Bottom line, it ain't going anywhere.

 

Straight talker: Please, they're both politicians.

There is plenty of evidence that the actions and inaction of Bill Clinton lead to us being attacked on 9/11. When we did go into Afghanistan we did so with a military that was seriously weakened during the Clinton years.

 

I didn't agree with going into Iraq when we did but once we did win the war to pull out without winning the peace would have been foolish. A year ago Obama voted to cut off funding for our troops and the troop surge that has stablized Iraq. He said "it won't work" we should pull out and now that it did work and we are pulling out he's taking credit for being right... b-s If we had pulled out when he said to, we'd have left in defeat and Iraq would have fallen into a civil war. The troop surge worked! The Iraqi's are "now" able to take over and nearly all of the outside jihadist's have been eliminated. The kicker is , Obama still say's he would still have voted to pull our troops out even knowing the "surge " worked. That is either arrogant or stupid!

 

Re: the second amendment, you're living in fantasy land if you think that Obama won't try to disarm this country. He's said the second amendment protects an individual right but doesn't see any problem with Washington DC's complete ban on all firearms. He's said that he doesn't think private citzens should be able to carry firearms, even though 41 states have passed shall issue laws. While he was VP of the Joyce Foundation he gave I believe 17 million to gun ban groups... They won't try to overturn the second amendment, they'll do what they always do, pass laws that are unconstitutional and try to win in court. DC still hasn't complied with the Supreme Court's ruling.

Edited September 4, 2008 by mulewright

[Indy]

You're allowed your opinion. And I am ok that it differs from mine. Wanna see a pack of lies? Watch Al Gore's movie.

 

True, we are both allowed our opinions.

 

 

LOL! "I did NOT have sex with that young woman!" and "It depends on what your definition of 'is' is." Used to turn my stomach...I got over it. Until I see him on TV.

 

Sure Clinton had an affair and lied about it. Have you seen any WMD's lately? That was the great mother of all lies. It also pisses me off that they had one of the few republicans that I respect selling it for them: Colin Powell.

 

 

 

I guess you're forgetting Bosnia then. What a fiasco that was. I will grant you that it didn't last as long as operation Iraqi Freedom though. Only three years.

 

I KNEW this would be the response. No, I have not forgotten Bosnia. Last time I checked, Bosnia was not a WAR. We did not declare WAR. That was the question. If there was to be a war declared under Jr. Bush's watch, it should have been on Afghanistan for harboring Bin Laden, not Iraq.

Edited September 3, 2008 by Indy

[mulewright]

Sure Clinton had an affair and lied about it. Have you seen any WMD's lately? That was the great mother of all lies. It also pisses me off that they had one of the few republicans that I respect selling it for them: Colin Powell.

 

Clinton didn't just lie about it... he lied to a grand jury, try that and see what happens to you.

[fordktpjoe]

I KNEW this would be the response. No, I have not forgotten Bosnia. Last time I checked, Bosnia was not a WAR. We did not declare WAR. That was the question. If there was to be a war declared under Jr. Bush's watch, it should have been on Afghanistan for harboring Bin Laden, not Iraq.

 

OK, so would you not call Vietnam a war either then? Remember we didn't decalre war there either.

 

If not, I am sure there are tens of thousands of veterans who'd beg to differ with you.

 

But I digress. I won't get into a debate with you about what does or does not constitute a "war".

 

We'll just agree to disagree, we're each entitled to our opinions.

[DUCKRACER]

Wake up, This is becoming a normal practice these days! My good friend was recently offered a position being a 1099 ee.

 

I do not care about either parties opinion on abortion. A female does not need her life dictated by a bible thumper.

 

Next thing we'll see in America. Our women wearing hooded robes covering their hair, Drilling for oil everywhere in the US. And some crazy nut job invading the US freeing us from a dictator.

 

déjà vu.....

 

Liberals.

 

Against the death penalty where a person has been judged by a panel of his peers.

 

For abortion, the killing of a living, totally innocent fetus.

[DUCKRACER]

Wake up, This is becoming a normal practice these days! My good friend was recently offered a position being a 1099 ee.

 

I do not care about either parties opinion on abortion. A female does not need her life dictated by a bible thumper.

 

Next thing we'll see in America. Our women wearing hooded robes covering their hair, Drilling for oil everywhere in the US. And some crazy nut job invading the US freeing us from a dictator.

 

déjà vu.....

 

Liberals.

 

Against the death penalty where a person has been judged by a panel of his peers.

 

For abortion, the killing of a living, totally innocent fetus.

[condor]

Just shut up with this personal responsibility. You do realize that there are people out there who do everything the right way yet still fall on hard times? What happens when you have a good job, with good pay and benifits, so it's "OK" by your standards to have kids, then you lose that job because of downsizing?

Try using a little compasion.

 

Typical Republican cattle response.

 

Boo hoo. You've got to be kidding me. There are a very few people who legitimately "need" help. But there is a shitload of people working the system. Walk around Romeo, Al. How many people play the game with medical, FMLA(The friday monday leave act), Sleeping at the table,cutting out of the plant 20-30 minutes early EVERYDAY? I could go on. But in your world these people don't exist and and I should be lining up to give them my money. If you want to give them entitlements, give your money to charity but do not call me republican cattle because I want the game players to take care of themselves and thier own. You live in a dream world if you think there are not thousands of americans taking advantage of the system currently and would line up around the block for more if the dems get control.

[rn4]

Clinton didn't just lie about it... he lied to a grand jury, try that and see what happens to you.

He may of lied, but his lie didn't get thousands of people killed.

[end of time]

Boo hoo. You've got to be kidding me. There are a very few people who legitimately "need" help. But there is a shitload of people working the system. Walk around Romeo, Al. How many people play the game with medical, FMLA(The friday monday leave act), Sleeping at the table,cutting out of the plant 20-30 minutes early EVERYDAY? I could go on. But in your world these people don't exist and and I should be lining up to give them my money. If you want to give them entitlements, give your money to charity but do not call me republican cattle because I want the game players to take care of themselves and thier own. You live in a dream world if you think there are not thousands of americans taking advantage of the system currently and would line up around the block for more if the dems get control.

This is a typical republican response. Instead of trying to lift people up you guys want to point fingers and cry because you believe someone is getting something of yours. Well unless your in your 70's or older I can guarntee that you are lucky as ever to have the pay and benefits that you and your family get. (You didn't do anything to deserve what you got) you just got a lucky break and got a good UAW job. It was the dem's who wanted and still do to lift the standard of living up for everyone. Not just a crooked few. Its sad that you are so selfish. If your so great why not quit a union shop and go out in the real world and make your mark. HMM. Because you cant. How can you tell how great a county is? By how it takes care of its elderly, downtroden and poor. I'll bet you voted to make the retirees pay more of their health Insurance.

[fmccap]

It was the dem's who wanted and still do to lift the standard of living up for everyone.

How exactly did they do this and how are they still trying?