Dale143 Posted October 29, 2008 Author Share Posted October 29, 2008 Good!! And yes, I do go to church not once but twice a week and I will fight you because I have had a disease for more than 23 years and you absolutely can not know how we feel to have our hopes of a cure taken away over political b.s. So Dale how do you feel when you talk to someone who is really effected by Bush Veto on embryonic cells??? You know the problem is you could probably fight me tooth and nail until the cows come home even if I'm long gone!! Michiganders please Vote yes on proposal 2!!!!! sorry to have touched a nerve.I also have had a disease diagnosed two years ago that could be helped with embryonic cells.But i choose not to take a life to save my vision.Its God and prayer first then technology that doesn't involve taking a life.So i will at this moment pray for you and your situation now that you've awaken the spirit of compassion in my heart.God bless you and I'm glad to see you are still strong in the Lord after what you have gone threw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CD4EMAN Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 First and foremost there is no ammendment that says seperation between church and state. It states freedom from state run religion. there is a difference. Christians DO make up a majority of voters in America, we should vote as christians and as Christ would vote, Would Gods son vote for Obama? Or would Gods son vote for McCain. Christians you make that choice at the polls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1993Stang Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 sorry to have touched a nerve.I also have had a disease diagnosed two years ago that could be helped with embryonic cells.But i choose not to take a life to save my vision.Its God and prayer first then technology that doesn't involve taking a life.So i will at this moment pray for you and your situation now that you've awaken the spirit of compassion in my heart.God bless you and I'm glad to see you are still strong in the Lord after what you have gone threw. God Bless you as well Dale...I just want you to realize that these are situations that cannot be ignored such as the fact that when a woman has more than enough eggs to be implanted the remainder of these eggs are simply thrown away and Dale I am not by any way saying that this is right, please forgive me if you thought that, I am just stating a fact that if these eggs are just going to be simply discarded into the trash wouldn't it be great to be able to save a person. God and science have saved my life and my babies life as well (born at 24 weeks) 14 weeks premature. But please see that I take communion twice a week,always pray for others before myself, and continue to have hope in scientific exploration. You did not hit a nerve you just let me continue a voice so others may be informed. Dale, the Lord always comes first but medical technology is what is also keeping me alive!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 Would Gods son vote for Obama? Or would Gods son vote for McCain. Christians you make that choice at the polls. I'm pretty sure he was registered by ACORN in several states, so I guess we'll just have to wait and see where he actually votes............ If it's illegal to hire or fire someone based on their religious beliefs then why is it ok to elect a president that way? Isn't electing a president the same as hiring a CEO, only more important? Supporting a candidate simply because of his or her religious affiliation is as stupid as doing it for reasons of race, gender, height, weight or hair color. What makes a christian more qualified than a jew, muslim or buddhist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1993Stang Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 I'm pretty sure he was registered by ACORN in several states, so I guess we'll just have to wait and see where he actually votes............ If it's illegal to hire or fire someone based on their religious beliefs then why is it ok to elect a president that way? Isn't electing a president the same as hiring a CEO, only more important? Supporting a candidate simply because of his or her religious affiliation is as stupid as doing it for reasons of race, gender, height, weight or hair color. What makes a christian more qualified than a jew, muslim or buddhist? You are right to ask that question. A christian is no more qualified to make the decision of our President than a jew, muslim, or buddhist. all I can say is VOTE!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale143 Posted October 29, 2008 Author Share Posted October 29, 2008 I'm pretty sure he was registered by ACORN in several states, so I guess we'll just have to wait and see where he actually votes............ If it's illegal to hire or fire someone based on their religious beliefs then why is it ok to elect a president that way? Isn't electing a president the same as hiring a CEO, only more important? Supporting a candidate simply because of his or her religious affiliation is as stupid as doing it for reasons of race, gender, height, weight or hair color. What makes a christian more qualified than a jew, muslim or buddhist? You left out atheist and agnostic.The answer...nothing.Its all about the issues and how we are PERSONALLY affected by them.How they affect our individual lives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 You left out atheist and agnostic.The answer...nothing.Its all about the issues and how we are PERSONALLY affected by them.How they affect our individual lives. That's exactly my point. It's about the issues that the President has the ability (and duty) to impact. Foreign policy. Declaration of war. Federal budget. Why would a christian be better at foreign policy or balancing the budget than a jew or atheist? Let's be honest - it's a popularity contest and some people prefer a candidate based on personal preferences that have nothing to do with their abilities as a president - religion, race, gender, charisma, political party, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatso Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 (edited) Vote for the 'Right' Person.The one who will lead us all into Battle of Armageddon over 'Blessed' Israel,so we can go see God and smile at God and say,we did just what you wanted us to!We killed everything,just about!"I Can`t Believe,They blew it",Charleston Heston,Planet of the Apes.So much for being rational and living in the present moment.God will say,,,,you loved me ,,,but you HATED other people.Moral development-TEST FAILED-back to earth and try again. Edited October 30, 2008 by Fatso Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale143 Posted October 30, 2008 Author Share Posted October 30, 2008 Any way...I noticed this topic is being moved.Maybe if i had titled it "Who should Christian auto workers vote for in 08" it might have held ground.Politics seems to always do well.But put the word God or religion or Christian along side of it and look out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mettech Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 First and foremost there is no ammendment that says seperation between church and state. It states freedom from state run religion. there is a difference. Christians DO make up a majority of voters in America, we should vote as christians and as Christ would vote, Would Gods son vote for Obama? Or would Gods son vote for McCain. Christians you make that choice at the polls. It appears to me that Republicans are more... Old Testament. (You choose your own destiny and be responsible for the consequences) And Democrats are more like the New Testament.. (you're too weak to make your own decisions, so I'll help you) So..... I would say that God would vote for Sen McCain... And Jesus would vote for Sen Obama... But I'm sure that they both say, "Gov Palin looks hot." Anyway, it appears the the tie breaker will be up to Mary...... Would she vote for a woman Vice... or Woman's Rights? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerM Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 Any way...I noticed this topic is being moved.Maybe if i had titled it "Who should Christian auto workers vote for in 08" it might have held ground.Politics seems to always do well.But put the word God or religion or Christian along side of it and look out. Dale, After much self-debate, I decided I would feel better responding to your post than remaining silent, so here goes...... I am a Christian (Southern Baptist, specifically), and I can only say that you have asked a question that only you can answer. I can only offer guidance, that you are free to ignore. God gave all persons free will. You/We can choose to follow him, or not. You could (by extension) take that God-given free will, and decide which candidate best reflects that value. I see God as more of a Producer and not a Director. God provides the stage, but I can't say He directs "this" or "that" to happen, although He knows what IS going to happen because He set the circumstance. Needless to say this is a gross oversimplification of God's role, but I can only be so descriptive of Someone beyond description. Which candidate (to you) best reflects this value? No one can specifically state that he knows God's Will until after it becomes apparent. Does God want McCain or Obama? I can't presume to tell you until Wednesday, and I may not be able to tell you then either. Whether Obama or McCain is elected, just remember that it in no way reflects your relationship with God. Government, being a creation of man, is (by definition) fallible. Neither McCain or Obama is the Godly choice. It's the fact that you HAVE A CHOICE that is Godly, and what I believe makes America (a) "God's Country". Use your values to decide who to vote for, since that is what others will use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale143 Posted November 1, 2008 Author Share Posted November 1, 2008 Dale, After much self-debate, I decided I would feel better responding to your post than remaining silent, so here goes...... I am a Christian (Southern Baptist, specifically), and I can only say that you have asked a question that only you can answer. I can only offer guidance, that you are free to ignore. God gave all persons free will. You/We can choose to follow him, or not. You could (by extension) take that God-given free will, and decide which candidate best reflects that value. I see God as more of a Producer and not a Director. God provides the stage, but I can't say He directs "this" or "that" to happen, although He knows what IS going to happen because He set the circumstance. Needless to say this is a gross oversimplification of God's role, but I can only be so descriptive of Someone beyond description. Which candidate (to you) best reflects this value? No one can specifically state that he knows God's Will until after it becomes apparent. Does God want McCain or Obama? I can't presume to tell you until Wednesday, and I may not be able to tell you then either. Whether Obama or McCain is elected, just remember that it in no way reflects your relationship with God. Government, being a creation of man, is (by definition) fallible. Neither McCain or Obama is the Godly choice. It's the fact that you HAVE A CHOICE that is Godly, and what I believe makes America (a) "God's Country". Use your values to decide who to vote for, since that is what others will use. Actually this is an excellent reply.I wish all voters thought this way.Unfortunately there are those with alternative motives that will be in the voting booth on Tuesday.You my friend are a wise man.Its easy to see Christ in you through your words.Carry on my friend. "And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen. (Matthew 28:18-20) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 (edited) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cthulhu Edited November 1, 2008 by Edstock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiefstang Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 You boys all have cowbells around your necks and think being put out to pasture is free thinking. Stop being herded and think for yourselves. Who gives a shit about what Jesus would do... He's dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerM Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 You boys all have cowbells around your necks and think being put out to pasture is free thinking. Stop being herded and think for yourselves. Who gives a shit about what Jesus would do... He's dead. No one is asking what Jesus would do. No one is asking what you would do, either.......really......I mean no one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph Greene Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 (edited) I would think Christians would want the same kind of government non Christians would want. I know that's how I feel, and I'm not Christian. You want an efficient, fair, non intrusive, moral (proven principles to live by....not necessarily religious but can be), democratic government, doing the things government is suposed to do according to our documents (constitution). The election is about who you think the better candidate to do that. Both Men are good Americans, but do differ in philosophy. It's not about religion, it's about effective government. Or should be about effective government. Edited November 1, 2008 by Ralph Greene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
napfirst Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths. Prob. 3:6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale143 Posted November 1, 2008 Author Share Posted November 1, 2008 "If My people, who are called by My Name, will humble themselves, seek My Face, pray, and turn from their wicked ways, THEN will I hear from Heaven, forgive their sin, and HEAL THEIR LAND." 2 Chronicles 7:14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_spaniard Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 I'm pretty sure he was registered by ACORN in several states, so I guess we'll just have to wait and see where he actually votes............If it's illegal to hire or fire someone based on their religious beliefs then why is it ok to elect a president that way? Isn't electing a president the same as hiring a CEO, only more important? Supporting a candidate simply because of his or her religious affiliation is as stupid as doing it for reasons of race, gender, height, weight or hair color. What makes a christian more qualified than a jew, muslim or buddhist? Seconded. On the one hand I believe that the reason Christians always take the most crap is because they ask for the most. Not being content to just save themselves, they make every attempt to save as many people as possible. Not a bad thing, per se, but it is based on the assumption your God is the one true God, which I (and many others) have a major problem with. Religion is a personal choice. On the other hand, given they want to save everyone, they are the most vocal, which is irritating. I don't have jews, muslims, and buddhists showing up at my door (though it would be a welcome change from the Jesus-crowd) trying to convert me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 But I'm sure that they both say, "Gov Palin looks hot." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimdingman Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 (edited) Socialism is a religion. Obama is a socialist. Religions do not cotton to other religions. Christian fundamentalists are often Republicans because they feel more comfortable where they are more free to have their beliefs. The Democrats have shown themselves to fear religion. They make a point of trying removing any vestage of religious paraphenalia from the Capitol. I am in agreement with the separation of church and state, but they seem to be in fear of it. Edited November 1, 2008 by Trimdingman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 Socialism is a religion. Obama is a socialist. It is? He is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaZor Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 Oh, you Canadians . . . you guys are so full of fun! For example, a Quebec comedy, duo notorious for prank calls to celebrities and heads of state has reached Sarah Palin, convincing the Republican vice-presidential nominee she was speaking with French President Nicolas Sarkozy. In the interview, which lasts about six minutes, Palin and the pranksters discuss politics, pundits, and the dangers of hunting with Dick Cheney. The Masked Avengers & Sarah Palin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbEwKcs-7Hc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 (edited) Oh, you Canadians . . . you guys are so full of fun! For example, a Quebec comedy, duo notorious for prank calls to celebrities and heads of state has reached Sarah Palin, convincing the Republican vice-presidential nominee she was speaking with French President Nicolas Sarkozy. In the interview, which lasts about six minutes, Palin and the pranksters discuss politics, pundits, and the dangers of hunting with Dick Cheney. The Masked Avengers & Sarah Palin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbEwKcs-7Hc lol, I just read about that. I really do hope though, that she actually knows the name of the Canadian PM considering the post that she was just in. Edited November 1, 2008 by suv_guy_19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suv_guy_19 Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 (edited) . Edited November 1, 2008 by suv_guy_19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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