grbeck Posted April 29, 2009 Share Posted April 29, 2009 You must remember, it's just like the military and within the plants it's called the chain of command. You may believe the workers have ultimate authority to determine if that vehicle leaves the plant as good as it can be, but that is far from the truth. I have not singled out the UAW for criticism...and I understand that workers can only assemble the parts that they are provided, and have a limited amount of time to make them fit. Given this scenario, it seems to me that both workers and management need to work together to produce a competitive product. Instead of sitting around playing the "blame game," maybe both need to remember that they are ultimately working for the CUSTOMER, and if the customer takes his or her money elsewhere, they both will suffer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grbeck Posted April 29, 2009 Share Posted April 29, 2009 The backlash against Obama Motors might get real very quickly with these sorts of ideas; note, this source is from a blog with about 400,000 page views/day. No one was rushing to buy Chrysler or GM products BEFORE the bailout...that is part of the reason why they needed a bailout in the first place (the other being that they were and are poorly run companies). If the government has to keep pouring money into these companies to keep them afloat, it won't just be a bunch of disgruntled libertarians expressing opposition to the bailout. A majority of Americans already oppose this bailout...and they will eventually say, "Enough is enough". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Critic Posted April 29, 2009 Share Posted April 29, 2009 The backlash against Obama Motors might get real very quickly with these sorts of ideas; note, this source is from a blog with about 400,000 page views/day. There is a problem here. IT's YOU! Everything thread your going into you have to make it a political point. Now quite obviously you have a problem with Obama. But I'm going to ask just one time, that you take your politics OUT of the Auto discussions in a thread. Your doing nothing but spamming a thread with your political points. This is the same thing as going into a discussion and spamming religion. No difference. And for each political thread you make, I'll use the report button until the moderators get tired of overlooking what your doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted April 29, 2009 Share Posted April 29, 2009 There is a problem here. IT's YOU! Everything thread your going into you have to make it a political point. Now quite obviously you have a problem with Obama. But I'm going to ask just one time, that you take your politics OUT of the Auto discussions in a thread. Your doing nothing but spamming a thread with your political points. This is the same thing as going into a discussion and spamming religion. No difference. And for each political thread you make, I'll use the report button until the moderators get tired of overlooking what your doing. Agree on the politcal off-topic rantings. But pleeeeeeeeeease don't report everything. I get enough e-mail every day already. Any more political railings (from either side) and this thread is closed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe771476 Posted April 29, 2009 Share Posted April 29, 2009 (edited) I understand they are keeping the GMC brand? Why?! The whole GMC line-up is a duplication of another division's vehicles! Maybe they can't bare to get rid of the letters GMC because it stands for the company name? Keep Pontiac! It's the only exciting division in GM! They're only keeping Buick because it's recognized in China! Keep making Buicks in China! Drop Buick here! Keep Pontiac! Or at least make just one Pontiac model in some GM plant! How hard is that to do? Edited April 29, 2009 by Joe771476 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark B. Morrow Posted April 29, 2009 Share Posted April 29, 2009 They had to open it up, just a little bit for Buford. Junior: Daddy, the top came off! Buford T. Justice: No shit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
page2171 Posted April 29, 2009 Share Posted April 29, 2009 While I am glad you are pondering a Ford product, seeing as you are, why would you not consider Chevrolet or Buick as a choice other than Pontiac? Just a curiosity here....and if you buy a FoMoCo product, me and my stock portfolio thank you. The biggest reason I am looking outside of GM for my next car is that outside of Pontiac GM doesn't make much that I am attracted to or that suits my needs. (The Fusion might not meet my needs either...I haven't sat in one yet). I am looking for something roomier than my Malibu. Chevy has the Impala, which is much to boring for me and the Traverse which is too large and out of my price range. Buicks for the most part are out of my price range...if I buy used I would consider a Lucerne. If I were to get a truck I would consider a GMC, but lean towards an F150 due to the good experience I had with my previous F150. I might wait for the new Taurus because I really like the look of those. Have prices been released for them yet? Hopefully it isn't out of my price range like the G8 currently is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted April 29, 2009 Share Posted April 29, 2009 Have prices been released for them yet? Start at about $25,000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Critic Posted April 29, 2009 Share Posted April 29, 2009 (edited) I might wait for the new Taurus because I really like the look of those. Have prices been released for them yet? Hopefully it isn't out of my price range like the G8 currently is. Start at about $25,000 Of all the Fords now or soon to come out, the one that returns the favor and turns me on is the Taurus. Maybe it's just the powerhood, but now it looks like a man's car. Whatya say Pioneer, should we double-team him for the sale? You got another x-pin you could hold for him? Edited April 29, 2009 by Critic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted April 29, 2009 Share Posted April 29, 2009 Whatya say Pioneer, should we double-team him for the sale? You got another x-pin you could hold for him? I always save one PIN until November or so just in case, but would be willing to part with it for a good cause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
page2171 Posted April 29, 2009 Share Posted April 29, 2009 Start at about $25,000 Sounds good...I may wait for the Taurus. I have no immediate need to buy now, my Malibu is doing just fine, I'm just tired of it and ready for something new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted April 29, 2009 Share Posted April 29, 2009 Sounds good...I may wait for the Taurus. I have no immediate need to buy now, my Malibu is doing just fine, I'm just tired of it and ready for something new. Same boat I'm in with my Mazda. Unfortunately, "I'm tired of it" isn't really enough reason for me to justify another $30,000+ purchase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Critic Posted April 29, 2009 Share Posted April 29, 2009 Sounds good...I may wait for the Taurus. I have no immediate need to buy now, my Malibu is doing just fine, I'm just tired of it and ready for something new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipnzap Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Are Pontiac fans really going to start up and buying Chevy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LincolnFan Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Pontiac still has fans after the Aztec? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipnzap Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 No one was rushing to buy Chrysler or GM products BEFORE the bailout...that is part of the reason why they needed a bailout in the first place (the other being that they were and are poorly run companies). If the government has to keep pouring money into these companies to keep them afloat, it won't just be a bunch of disgruntled libertarians expressing opposition to the bailout. A majority of Americans already oppose this bailout...and they will eventually say, "Enough is enough". No. GM was selling the SAME number of cars Toyota was selling, MORE in most instances. The problem was GM was losing money on each car they sold. Still, I find it hilarious that people are blaming most of this mess on Obama. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark B. Morrow Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 No. GM was selling the SAME number of cars Toyota was selling, MORE in most instances. The problem was GM was losing money on each car they sold. Still, I find it hilarious that people are blaming most of this mess on Obama. Yes it is. We all know GM was in terrific shape before Jan 20. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grbeck Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 No. GM was selling the SAME number of cars Toyota was selling, MORE in most instances. The problem was GM was losing money on each car they sold. The little "problem" is why they are facing bankruptcy. They were "selling" vehicles by giving them away or dumping them on fleet customers. Toyota could do the same thing - say, cut prices 50 percent - and watch sales zoom. But then it would be at death's door, too. Sales without profits are meaningless - except in Detroit and among its fanboys, where logic and basic business principles were apparently tossed out the window years ago. Still, I find it hilarious that people are blaming most of this mess on Obama. No more hilarious than blaming it on Bush or Congressional Republicans who opposed the bailout. Last time I checked, they weren't running GM or Chrysler, but one wouldn't have guessed that based on comments on this board around, say, December 2008. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 Sales without profits are meaningless - except in Detroit and among its fanboys, where logic and basic business principles were apparently tossed out the window years ago. Ever heard the phrase "We lose money on each unit we sell but we'll make it up with volume"? That appears to be the current GM philosophy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark B. Morrow Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 (edited) Ever heard the phrase "We lose money on each unit we sell but we'll make it up with volume"? That appears to be the current GM philosophy. We're totally lost...But we're way ahead of schedule. Always remember and never forget, where ever you go, there you are. Edited May 1, 2009 by Mark B. Morrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 We're totally lost...But we're way ahead of schedule. Always remember and never forget, where ever you go, there you are. Hey, you're GM management material! Sign him up!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
630land Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 "Make up in volume" Well, there is 0 volume now, what to do? Pontiac fans are crying, and saying "remember the GTO, TA, ..." But, what helped then was their bread and butter cars, Catalina, Bonne, LeMans, GP, etc. But, now, they dont have anything to sell in volume to back up the G8 and Solstace. And, they cant afford the marketing, engineering, and design $$$ to have another full line make at same price point as Chevy. Some will say 'well I want someting exciting'. What is so exciting about cladding and badges? As if anyone cares about that anymore? In the 50s and 60s suburbs, people were judged by the what GM brand they had, but now? Pfffft! :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark B. Morrow Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 "Make up in volume" Well, there is 0 volume now, what to do? Get one that goes to 11? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 Get one that goes to 11? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford-150 Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 G8 is a nice car but the Falcon is better. I wish I was given the choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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