GMarc Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 Folks, Do you all agree that the Panther will go away without any more upgrades? I am tempted to take the plunge on a 09 but will be extremely upset if Ford decides to change the sheet metal or interior in '10 or '11. :reading: Still hoping, but won't be left Pantherless for the next 10 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mettech Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 With a new trans, engine and dash..... It could live another 6 years. I wonder if a hybrid would sell in the cop and fleet market. :reading: I think it would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 These "would, could, should" posts are getting old, just like the venerable Panthers themselves. Yes, Ford could update them. But they won't. Yes, Ford should have updated them years ago. But they didn't. Yes, Ford would update them. But they don't see the point anymore. We can hold out hope for a new RWD sedan sometime down the road, but Ford has made it abundantly clear that their investment in the Panther platform is over. Sad it will die in fleet hell like so many of their other storied nameplates, but that's the reality of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rscalzo Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 These "would, could, should" posts are getting old, just like the venerable Panthers themselves. Yes, Ford could update them. But they won't. Yes, Ford should have updated them years ago. But they didn't. Yes, Ford would update them. But they don't see the point anymore. We can hold out hope for a new RWD sedan sometime down the road, but Ford has made it abundantly clear that their investment in the Panther platform is over. Sad it will die in fleet hell like so many of their other storied nameplates, but that's the reality of it. http://www.kansascity.com/115/v-print/story/1181002.html New lawsuit ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 http://www.kansascity.com/115/v-print/story/1181002.htmlNew lawsuit ....... Not a new lawsuit. A re-trial for an old one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMarc Posted May 6, 2009 Author Share Posted May 6, 2009 Oh, gee thanks, that really answered my question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rscalzo Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 Meant to say new trial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 Oh, gee thanks, that really answered my question. Sorry. To answer your question, it's very likely the last year they will be available is 2011. No changes of any significance are expected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topgun Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 Sorry. To answer your question, it's very likely the last year they will be available is 2011. No changes of any significance are expected. Wrong answer Nick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 Wrong answer Nick. Wrong answer because you don't like it, or wrong answer because I'm incorrect? If I'm incorrect, by all means, show me where. The Panther simply is not going to keep chugging along forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemiman Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 Wrong answer because you don't like it, or wrong answer because I'm incorrect? If I'm incorrect, by all means, show me where. The Panther simply is not going to keep chugging along forever. The panther is getting a new skin for 2014 after a years hiatus. Also new will be: V-6 eco-boost, V8 5.0 & 4.4 Diesel (maybe reduced to 3.6). All will feature a 6 speed AT. Also, the GM and TC will be getting a future Mustang derived IRS. CV PI will continue with SRA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 (edited) The panther is getting a new skin for 2014 after a years hiatus. Also new will be: V-6 eco-boost, V8 5.0 & 4.4 Diesel (maybe reduced to 3.6). All will feature a 6 speed AT. Also, the GM and TC will be getting a future Mustang derived IRS. CV PI will continue with SRA. That certainly sounds like pie-in-the-sky dreaming at this point unless you have some source we don't know about. I hope you're right though. That does sound like a tantalizing combination. And I sure hope if they go through all of that trouble that they also change the name. "Crown Victoria" and "Grand Marquis" just sound flat out silly in today's marketplace. My votes would go to "Interceptor" and "Marauder". Edited May 8, 2009 by NickF1011 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rscalzo Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 That certainly sounds like pie-in-the-sky dreaming at this point unless you have some source we don't know about. I hope you're right though. That does sound like a tantalizing combination. And I sure hope if they go through all of that trouble that they also change the name. "Crown Victoria" and "Grand Marquis" just sound flat out silly in today's marketplace. My votes would go to "Interceptor" and "Marauder". While this is the first I've heard of it and I seem to think it would be wishful thinking, I'd really consider the 4.4 Diesel with a V-6 for our fleet. But I'm not going to hold my breath. Even if true, the 4.4 would have to come in at a price close enough to the 16k we pay for the charger to make it attractive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 But I'm not going to hold my breath. Even if true, the 4.4 would have to come in at a price close enough to the 16k we pay for the charger to make it attractive. Now that I definitely don't see happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topgun Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 Wrong answer because you don't like it, or wrong answer because I'm incorrect? If I'm incorrect, by all means, show me where. The Panther simply is not going to keep chugging along forever. Your incorrect Nick, that's all I'm gonna say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Rosadini Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 Your incorrect Nick, that's all I'm gonna say. Topgun- Hope you are right. Just turned 83,000 today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMarc Posted May 9, 2009 Author Share Posted May 9, 2009 Maybe i should ask what will the St. Thomas plant build for MY '10 or '11? :stats: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 The panther is getting a new skin for 2014 after a years hiatus. Also new will be: V-6 eco-boost, V8 5.0 & 4.4 Diesel (maybe reduced to 3.6). All will feature a 6 speed AT. Also, the GM and TC will be getting a future Mustang derived IRS. CV PI will continue with SRA. You've just described the proposed 2014 Falcon platform, most of that power train list is already in the Falcon /Territory or coming next year. Falcon will go to V6 in 2014. FoA is pushing on and evolving the Falcon/Territory towards the GRWD ideas they started early last year. FNA is now able to access parts of the Falcon platform for the Mustang (if or as needed). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyTheKid Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 (edited) Why ruin a good thing? I'd love to have an '08-09 Vic, because I think they look awesome! I'd trade my horse anytime for one of those. :shades: Edited May 10, 2009 by BillyTheKid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 Your incorrect Nick, that's all I'm gonna say. As long as I'm wrong in a big way and the 2012 Crown Victoria shows up with something more substantial than new headlights and taillights, I'll never be happier to be wrong as a Ford fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Rosadini Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 While this is the first I've heard of it and I seem to think it would be wishful thinking, I'd really consider the 4.4 Diesel with a V-6 for our fleet. But I'm not going to hold my breath. Even if true, the 4.4 would have to come in at a price close enough to the 16k we pay for the charger to make it attractive. And by the way, how are the Chargers holding up? My little town has three of them plus an "old" CV and a new EX-P. The CV is on the road a lot as the Chargers seen to be having repeated "issues". Plus now that the thrill of the Hemi has worn off, the lack of visibility is starting to become an issue. And for sure, the head of DPW will not be driving an old Charger when it comes time to replace his retired P-71. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bored of Pisteon Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 And by the way, how are the Chargers holding up? My little town has three of them plus an "old" CV and a new EX-P. The CV is on the road a lot as the Chargers seen to be having repeated "issues". Plus now that the thrill of the Hemi has worn off, the lack of visibility is starting to become an issue. And for sure, the head of DPW will not be driving an old Charger when it comes time to replace his retired P-71. And you wonder why Chrysler is in Chapter 11 right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bored of Pisteon Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 That certainly sounds like pie-in-the-sky dreaming at this point unless you have some source we don't know about. I hope you're right though. That does sound like a tantalizing combination. And I sure hope if they go through all of that trouble that they also change the name. "Crown Victoria" and "Grand Marquis" just sound flat out silly in today's marketplace. My votes would go to "Interceptor" and "Marauder". Since everyone in this country is on some sort of retro-kick. Why not bring back LTD, Park Lane? In fact... That wouldn't be a bad idea to shape a new Panther like vehicle off the looks from the late 60's cars like those. The new Mustang looks good, so does the Challenger. Maybe there is some sort of trend evolving... Who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 Since everyone in this country is on some sort of retro-kick. Why not bring back LTD, Park Lane? In fact... That wouldn't be a bad idea to shape a new Panther like vehicle off the looks from the late 60's cars like those. The new Mustang looks good, so does the Challenger. Maybe there is some sort of trend evolving... Who knows. Personally, I don't think retro is the way to go with it. It's even starting to grow a little old on the Mustang in my opinion. Give it some throwback styling cues, but make it modern in overall execution. And for goodness sakes, just call it Falcon. It's by far the best of the "old school' names they currently aren't using in North America. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobbletwo Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 Why ruin a good thing? I'd love to have an '08-09 Vic, because I think they look awesome! I'd trade my horse anytime for one of those. :shades: Well, I dunno about my horse, but her two mules would be *gone* for a new, updated, Panther. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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