Dfisher Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 A rep at my plant suggested voting in pen instead of pencil. Is that paranoid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganTruck_Mafia Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 A rep at my plant suggested voting in pen instead of pencil. Is that paranoid? No, it's not paranoid. It's necessary. But I'm not really worried about using pencil or pen to check off the ballot, I'm more worried about who's counting the ballots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stugots Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Me too, I hope the people we elected to count votes get the job. Seems like some resistance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gocash Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 (edited) A rep at my plant suggested voting in pen instead of pencil. Is that paranoid? what difference does it make with either pen or pencil if they were to just exchange the ballots?the only way to be absolutely sure there is no corruption would be to mark the ballots with your own blood and use DNA to be sure that the ballots weren't tampered with....51% I can tell you now what the result will be....the UAW Leadership is a sell out,that is all there is to it...even if it gets rejected,for them to bring this bullshit to the members shows everyone that they are a sell out...good luck in the future with these union leaders boys and girls....actually the ballots should be counted live in front of the membership right after the voting is completed by video camera and overhead projection onto a t.v. for all those who wish to witness the results. Edited October 16, 2009 by gocash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiredMotorCompany Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 (edited) what difference does it make with either pen or pencil if they were to just exchange the ballots?the only way to be absolutely sure there is no corruption would be to mark the ballots with your own blood and use DNA to be sure that the ballots weren't tampered with....51% I can tell you now what the result will be....the UAW Leadership is a sell out,that is all there is to it...even if it gets rejected,for them to bring this bullshit to the members shows everyone that they are a sell out...good luck in the future with these union leaders boys and girls....actually the ballots should be counted live in front of the membership right after the voting is completed by video camera and overhead projection onto a t.v. for all those who wish to witness the results. We should demand the right to observe all aspects of the process. No secret counts behind closed doors. Any resistance to this would reek of scandal. Let's hear them holler, " We must control the process and we can't do that if all these people want to look over our shoulder." Or they'll say, "Stand back, we are going to use the "Election Committee" to do the counting so you can't interfere. They're your elected people, so you don't get to watch!" Edited October 16, 2009 by FiredMotorCompany Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherAutoWorker Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 If memory serves, the local news here was broadcasting the results of the last concession vote ONE HOUR after the polls closed. How is that possible. OF COURSE, it was in favor of the company. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spring Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 Brothers and sisters, if you think there is fraud regarding the voting, contact the Department of Labor and ask them to intercede! And go to your newspapers and other media outlets and get vocal! Make this public so that everyone knows what is going on! They can't defraud us if we don't let them! We need to stand up and take our union back! Local by local! Let's see if we can have challengers oversee the process! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lquidspine Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 Brothers and sisters, if you think there is fraud regarding the voting, contact the Department of Labor and ask them to intercede! And go to your newspapers and other media outlets and get vocal! Make this public so that everyone knows what is going on! They can't defraud us if we don't let them! We need to stand up and take our union back! Local by local! Let's see if we can have challengers oversee the process! What Spring says, I will add if you do not use the correct marking instrument your vote will be voided. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buster6969 Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 What Spring says, I will add if you do not use the correct marking instrument your vote will be voided. And where did you get this info? How fking stupid! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsquare Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 And where did you get this info? How fking stupid! Read your own bylaws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nvsked Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 Brothers and sisters, if you think there is fraud regarding the voting, contact the Department of Labor and ask them to intercede! And go to your newspapers and other media outlets and get vocal! Make this public so that everyone knows what is going on! They can't defraud us if we don't let them! We need to stand up and take our union back! Local by local! Let's see if we can have challengers oversee the process! Voting practices and their remedies usually revolve around general elections, executive board, committee assignments etc. It is generally understood that if a union is representing you (paid representation) that they have your best interest in mind, hence the paid representation. If there are questions about the unions loyalty then we may have another issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sun3 Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 Voting practices and their remedies usually revolve around general elections, executive board, committee assignments etc. It is generally understood that if a union is representing you (paid representation) that they have your best interest in mind, hence the paid representation. If there are questions about the unions loyalty then we may have another issue. I have never trusted vote counts at Rawsonville---ever!!! I think it has always been and always will be fixed, ever look at the 'chosen' folks on the election commitee????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenhawkings Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 No, it's not paranoid. It's necessary. But I'm not really worried about using pencil or pen to check off the ballot, I'm more worried about who's counting the ballots. bump! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1993Stang Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 A rep at my plant suggested voting in pen instead of pencil. Is that paranoid? If you really want to stand up and Vote NO and you are not afraid to let others know how you feel, display it in your work stations or on your shirt with a sticker or tape in BIG LETTERS with the word NO. Look around at all the people that do this and you will definitely see how the Majority voted throughout all plants. Now if they don't do this, don't get mad if they voted yes because that is what they wanted to do but for those (which its seems that most want a NO vote, show em' how you voted. More than likely the yes votes will not be broadcasted to others. It will sure give you insight to how people voted and how many. Don't hide behind the computer anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furious1Auto Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 Voting practices and their remedies usually revolve around general elections, executive board, committee assignments etc. It is generally understood that if a union is representing you (paid representation) that they have your best interest in mind, hence the paid representation. If there are questions about the unions loyalty then we may have another issue. What she is saying is that the NLRB is the only body that the international is subordinate to concerning how they represent you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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