falcman Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 (edited) GT500 here it comes! Nah, look out for more cubes (than what the GT500 currently has). A famous number, too. I was told there were two engine projects, "Hollywood" and "Miami" Hollywood (North American) for lighter Mustang and Auto/manual transmissions. Miami (Australian) for heavier Falcon and ZF transmission. "Hollywood" was the 6.2 litre Boss in the Falcon, along with the US' auto box to go with it. That was scrapped for "Miami". Saintlaz1, it's the project name. The below is from another forum... courtesy of JPFS1 BASE ENGINE SYSTEM TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS Bore: 92.2mm Stroke: 92.7mm Con-rod Length: 150.7mm Compression ratio: 9.25:1 New Firing Order for reduced crankshaft and engine vibration 1' date=' 5, 4, 8, 6, 3, 7, 2 [b']Engine Block[/b] Aluminium deep skirted block 6-bolt cross bolted mains steel press in cylinder liners piston squirting jets for low piston temps and increased durability Cylinder Heads high-flow 4 valve DOHC 32V roller finger followers pent roof combustion chambers 55.98cc combustion chamber volumes Valve Train intake valves o 2 x 37mm o chrome plated steel material exhaust valves o 2 x 31mm o high temp. chrome plated inconel material 12mm intake valve lift 11mm exhaust valve lift chain-driven cam drive system variable intake valve timing fixed exhaust valve timing common intake and exhaust valve springs, retainers, collets, seals Crankshaft forged steel crank unique Miami engine balance specification Crank shaft damper twin-sheave pulley supports o 8pk supercharger drive system on rear sheave o 6pk water pump and alternator drive on front sheave unique frequency / damper tune Con-rod new high strength powder sintered forged con-rod to suit supercharged application Piston, ring and pin new generation light-weight high strength piston and ring pack hard anodised top ring groove floating pin design nitrided steel piston pin FEAD (Front end accessory drive) 2 drive systems 1 x 8pk belt which drives supercharger, power steering and AC compressor 1 x 6pk belt which drives water pump and alternator Lubrication System new cast aluminium high-volume winged oil pan cast in baffles for oil control under heavy cornering, braking, acceleration G-rotor style oil pump full length composite windage tray engine oil cooler Ignition System coil on plug new iridium fine electrode tip spark plugs Exhaust manifolds new cast stainless steel high flow EU4 exhaust manifolds optimised for cylinder flow balance and emissions performance Supercharger inlet duct and eTB assy new cast aluminium high-flow supercharger inlet duct 75mm electronic throttle body Supercharger assembly Harrop / Eaton designed HTV 1900 front drive, rear entry supercharger featuring: o Eaton TVS 6th generation rotor set o 1.9l per revolution displacement o torsional decoupler in supercharger drive shaft for optimised NVH o PCM controlled inlet bypass valve o bypass operation for vacuum and boosted conditions Intake manifold new two-piece cast aluminium intake manifold supercharger mounted under intake plenum as low as possible in engine vee providing: o optimised weight distribution / lower centre of gravity o optimised NVH o optimised air path and runner tuning o optimised engine performance tuned length intake runners features supercharger outlet air diffuser which o controls air charge motion out of the supercharger o delivers ideal cylinder to cylinder flow balance POWERTRAIN SYSTEM TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS Air intake system new high-flow cold air intake system new bonnet sealed open cold air box high-flow conical filter Exhaust system high-flow thin foil technology metal matrix catalysts twin-brick catalyst construction 140mm diameter, 2.1 litre per catalyst assembly new cold end exhaust with FPV unique NVH tune new quad outlet exhaust system billet aluminium tail pipe finishers new mufflers with new FPV tuning code PCM controlled active exhaust system (Sedan only) to deliver o Refinement and comfort for part throttle cruising applications o Maximum V8 sound quality at idle and car manoeuvring o Maximum V8 muscle car sound quality during spirited driving Fuel system new high-flow fuel pump new two-piece stainless steel fuel rail assembly 4 Bar pressure return system new high-flow fuel injectors o increased flow range o optimised targeting for EU4 emissions Vehicle Cooling System Brand new high-efficiency radiator and fan pack assembly Twin variable speed fans New high-efficiency automatic trans oil cooler system New engine oil cooler and cooling system Engine inlet thermostat control New vehicle heater circuit Automatic Transmission Upgraded ZF 6HP26 transmission new 7-plate clutch pack and 4-planet planetary gearset for improved torque capacity Manual Transmission Tremec TR6060 with new bell housing to suit new clutch system. Revised 2nd gear synchros for reduced shifting efforts Clutch ZF twin plate clutch common with Mustang GT500. New clutch release bearing common with Mustang GT500. Engine Development Program: Four levels of prototype: Mule-level prototype – 5.4 litre XR8 engine fitted with supercharger and custom-fabricated manifolds. Used predominantly for cooling system development, calibration feasibility and performance and driveability target setting A-level prototype – 5.0 litre Coyote Mustang prototype engines fitted with prototype manifolds, prototype pistons, prototype oil pan. Used predominantly for calibration development, emissions feasibility, vehicle testing. B-level prototype - 5.0 litre Coyote Mustang prototype engines fitted with fully representative prototype manifolds, fully representative pistons, fully representative oil pan. Used predominantly for calibration finalisation and refinement, emissions testing and development, vehicle testing and attribute assessment. Verification prototype – 5.0 litre Coyote Mustang Verification prototype engines fitted with off-tool unique Miami pistons, Air intake system, exhaust manifolds and lubrication system. Used predominantly for sign off certification and durability testing, and attribute sign off. Edited September 2, 2010 by falcman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcman Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 (edited) Considering the FPV F6 (turbo 6) is rated to 310kW by FPV but consistently measures above 280rwkw on our chassis dynos - which have a higher percentage loss than those in the US (~22%) - I would almost guarantee this is 335kW is closer to 360kW. This is without an intercooler and very little psi. Also consider that this only spins to 6000rpm, so from that, also, you can see it's not only grossly under rated, but pegged back a fair bit in terms of rpms - the 1.9 litre unit can is good for a whole more psi at much more revs. (Out of the box the F6 is good for 12.4-12.5 down the quarter. It weighs 4000lbs) Barring all that, to have peak torque @ 2200rpm (all the way to 5500rpm) does a fair bit to the heart rate. There's another reason Ford in Australia are hesitant to quote higher numbers: history has shown the media here will crucify Ford in particular when they've upped the ante. They (the media) caused the abortion of the Phase 4 GTHO, they also caused a stir when FPV released the original F6 with 550Nm of torque. There is a reason for FPV's comments from the first article below. "We're not about the numbers on the back of the car ... I don't think we're in a space where we're going to be chasing what our competitors are doing," he notes. He also dismisses suggestions more power will encourage hoon behaviour, while linking the engine's "bloodlines" to the legendary GT-HO. "I reject the notion that the people who buy these vehicles are irresponsible," he says. "If you look at some of the performance cars coming out of Europe, we are not out of step with the power figures or torque figures.'' FPV general manager Rod Barrett says potential owners are encouraged to learn how to drive their machines properly. "Everybody who buys an FPV will get a drive day with John Bowe Driving," he says. "A lot of our owners are the type who check the weather forecast before taking their cars out of the garage, so that gives a good idea of how they value their cars.'' And another thing... the ZF auto was already rated to 600Nm prior to the changes and upgrades listed in the above post. One wonders why they had to do all that when they've quoted the torque to "570"Nm. Edited September 2, 2010 by falcman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 Nah, look out for more cubes (than what the GT500 currently has). A famous number, too. Scratched my head on this one, but I'm assuming your talking about a tall deck 5.0 Coyote that would make it a 5.8L or a 351 Cubic inches? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLPRacing Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 Up the boost a little & intercool it and I'm thinking this would make a great Lighting engine! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 Scratched my head on this one, but I'm assuming your talking about a tall deck 5.0 Coyote that would make it a 5.8L or a 351 Cubic inches? I was thinking either that, or a 7.0 L (427 ci) Boss? There was a 7.0 L rumored... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 I was thinking either that, or a 7.0 L (427 ci) Boss? There was a 7.0 L rumored... I think the 427 would be a bit overkill...a very limited run or 2000 or so would be nice, but I think the 351 would be a better overall engine in weight and performance in a Cobra, errr GT500 LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 I was told there were two engine projects, "Hollywood" and "Miami" Hollywood (North American) for lighter Mustang and Auto/manual transmissions. Miami (Australian) for heavier Falcon and ZF transmission. ?....Moami for the Aussie version???? wouldnt Bondai Beach or something local have been more apt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atvman Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 Scratched my head on this one, but I'm assuming your talking about a tall deck 5.0 Coyote that would make it a 5.8L or a 351 Cubic inches? A 351 is my best guess as well. Whether it comes from a tall deck Coyote or a short deck Boss is a different story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atvman Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 We can dream. I would love to see this happen, a detuned/higher mileage 600 HP GDI TT 5.0L would make me happy. 600hp would be a good incremental jump over the current car's 550hp. And I agree, TT > Supercharger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 I think the 427 would be a bit overkill...a very limited run or 2000 or so would be nice, but I think the 351 would be a better overall engine in weight and performance in a Cobra, errr GT500 LOL I agree...427 seems a bit much when a 351 would suffice. Of course, the GT500 isn't about sufficient! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 We can dream. I would love to see this happen, a detuned/higher mileage 600 HP GDI TT 5.0L would make me happy. seriously though, and underlining Eds post...look at the conversation and numbers being thrown around here...FRIGGEN AWESOME! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcman Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 Scratched my head on this one, but I'm assuming your talking about a tall deck 5.0 Coyote that would make it a 5.8L or a 351 Cubic inches? lol, not that famous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted September 2, 2010 Author Share Posted September 2, 2010 ?....Moami for the Aussie version???? wouldnt Bondai Beach or something local have been more apt? Bondai Beach would make it a New Zealand deal...:rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted September 2, 2010 Author Share Posted September 2, 2010 600hp would be a good incremental jump over the current car's 550hp. And I agree, TT > Supercharger V8 Twin Turbos? perhaps when Ford gets some experience with packaging the V6 EB, they might revisit that topic, the supercharged route was just easier to do...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 V8 Twin Turbos? perhaps when Ford gets some experience with packaging the V6 EB, they might revisit that topic, the supercharged route was just easier to do...... on a more personal note J, GO ALL BLACKS....lol......back to topic.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papilgee4evaeva Posted September 3, 2010 Share Posted September 3, 2010 perhaps when Ford gets some experience with packaging the V6 EB, they might revisit that topic, Yeah, it doesn't look like the most space-efficient package. I'm not up on packaging that much, so I ask... what would you recommend? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted September 3, 2010 Author Share Posted September 3, 2010 (edited) Yeah, it doesn't look like the most space-efficient package. I'm not up on packaging that much, so I ask... what would you recommend? Just that at design stage, engineers can move the engine bay shape around and maximize space utilization when they have an idea where Ecoboost components need to sit. The current Falcon platform hasn't been designed to do that and I'd expect that we will see some brilliant engineering at play in the future. I'm comforted by the idea of really small V6 and V8 Ecoboost engines that give outstanding power and fuel economy, we're not there yeat but if gas prices turn nasty, I'm confident that RWd can access 400 hp with very few liters of capacity. Performance never goes away, it just changes its delivery mode... Edited September 3, 2010 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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