louie Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 http://blogs.wsj.com/deals/2009/05/28/mean-street-brand-new-general-motors-same-old-uaw/ Its amazing there are still people out in the public that still think we make too much money. I have been reading arcticles on the bankrupcies and most people are still mad that Obama didnt make GM and Chrysler go thru a regular bankruptcy. They feel the IUAW fought too hard to keep wages and benefits and basically lost nothing. Looking back during the October election debates mccain and the republicans were hell bent on forcing GM and Chrysler thru a non structured bankrupcy that would have stripped our wages, benefits and retiree pensions as well as healthcare. If mccain was elected we could possibly be looking at $10.00 per hour auto jobs with no UAW protection. Just stating how things could have gone extremly bad with our jobs................WOW 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldenuff2knowbetter Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 The article is a year and a half old for Pete Sake. Not that I think they are our friends, but it's an OLD article. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dividedwebeg Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 The article is a year and a half old for Pete Sake. Not that I think they are our friends, but it's an OLD article. This is the perception of the public even today. It looks like a wall street arcticle that its sole mission is to bust the unions especially the UAW. The UAW is the only protection we have from these sharks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganTruck_Mafia Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 Wall Street will be happier after the next contract..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokey paw Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 Wall Street will be happier after the next contract..... Bingo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trufflebuns Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 Bingo That's spelled KingGo these days. :facepalm+sob: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armstrong Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 With the Congress now a Republican majority and government ownership of GM and Chrysler, could Shelby, Corker and the rest of congress could possibly try to pass legislation to further reduce wages and benefits and further weaken the wages of UAW autoworkers? Seems to be the topic of discussion in the breakrooms. Everyone is concerned this could play out when the Republicans take over Congress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pullthecord Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 With the Congress now a Republican majority and government ownership of GM and Chrysler, could Shelby, Corker and the rest of congress could possibly try to pass legislation to further reduce wages and benefits and further weaken the wages of UAW autoworkers? Seems to be the topic of discussion in the breakrooms. Everyone is concerned this could play out when the Republicans take over Congress. The republicans only control the house of representatives, the dumbocrats still control the senate 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louie Posted November 18, 2010 Author Share Posted November 18, 2010 Despite what seems to be a partisan personal attack be damn glad that they do. If not then you would see the congress move to drive wages down and restrict the UAW's bargaining rights. There is no doubt in my mind that would happen. These republicans would like nothing more than to convince the public there is no use for unions in these times. They want nothing more than to push right to work (for less) legislation in the unionized states. They want unions out to drive down wages and benefits to satisfy wall streets appetite. The republicans will stop at nothing to squash the little guy and give all of the breaks to business. It was quite clear in the congressional and senate hearings where they took away our bonuses, holidays, our jobs bank. Made a case to the public that we made $70 dollars an hour and needed to be punished for our good pay and benefits. Fox news made sure this was portrayed hour after hour to discount how bad union contracts really are to business. Republicans will be back to destroy our wages and benefits. Their work was not complete in destroying us. You can take that to the bank 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tapper Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 With the Congress now a Republican majority and government ownership of GM and Chrysler, could Shelby, Corker and the rest of congress could possibly try to pass legislation to further reduce wages and benefits and further weaken the wages of UAW autoworkers? To be a little more acurate, the UAW-Chrysler Retired VEBA Trust owns 66% of Chrysler, but doesnt have control of the company because of conflict of interest. FIAT has the control. Tapper (Dad is a Chrysler retiree) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louie Posted November 20, 2010 Author Share Posted November 20, 2010 To be a little more acurate, the UAW-Chrysler Retired VEBA Trust owns 66% of Chrysler, but doesnt have control of the company because of conflict of interest. FIAT has the control. Tapper (Dad is a Chrysler retiree) I know the republicans will be back to bust the union contracts and lower wages. Somehow they will fabricate lies again to get to our wages..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScrutenizer Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 I've never seen so much ignorance in my life. When will a single one of you "union" believers do a little bit of independant research on your own? Have any one of you tried to take a college level class? Tried to write a real research paper? That's not writing a paper with a predetermined conclusion, it's looking at a topic, formulating relevent questions, and making critical thought determinations based on your research. Wonder why you are getting your reputation drubbed in the national media? Get some education!!!!!! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldenuff2knowbetter Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 Many if not most of the new union employees have education beyond high school, and they know what a 10-12 hour day on a factory floor is like, unlike some people sitting on their cushioned high-back office chair with a pretty diploma on their wall. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trimdingman Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 (edited) Many if not most of the new union employees have education beyond high school, and they know what a 10-12 hour day on a factory floor is like, unlike some people sitting on their cushioned high-back office chair with a pretty diploma on their wall. The assembly line is very efficient, thanks to us "slaves" who sell our souls for cash money. Anyone who has tried it will not say that we are over-paid. Where else could you get a dash installed in a car for fifty cents? That is 500 dashes installed in eight hours for $250. That sounds like a bargain to me. When the horn goes to start the shift or finish the coffee break, the line moves, and you had better have your ass in gear or there will be hell to pay if the line goes down even for a second. This is not the type of job for the faint of heart. Back 35 years ago, when wages were more in line with other wages, the turnover was unbelievable. When I started, they needed 300 people. They hired 1000 to get 300 to stick. They are saving money by paying higher wages because there is better quality. People get more and more skilled the longer they are on a job. That 50 cent dash install may now include the installation of another part or two if the worker is skilled enough. Every year, there is a "manpower reduction". If we get a pecentage wage increase, they try to reduce manpower by the same percentage. Now, we are building many more cars per shift with way less people. Labor costs are dropping all the time. Labor is being used as a scapegoat for the failure of the whole socialist system. Edited November 20, 2010 by Trimdingman 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armstrong Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 These republicans would like nothing more than to convince the public there is no use for unions in these times. They want nothing more than to push right to work (for less) legislation in the unionized states. They want unions out to drive down wages and benefits to satisfy wall streets appetite. The republicans will stop at nothing to squash the little guy and give all of the breaks to business. It was quite clear in the congressional and senate hearings where they took away our bonuses, holidays, our jobs bank. Made a case to the public that we made $70 dollars an hour and needed to be punished for our good pay and benefits. Fox news made sure this was portrayed hour after hour to discount how bad union contracts really are to business. Republicans will be back to destroy our wages and benefits. Their work was not complete in destroying us. You can take that to the bank Well said...... your right on my friend!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armstrong Posted December 2, 2010 Share Posted December 2, 2010 Republicans will not be happy until our wages match Mexico and Chinas wages. They are nothing more than lap dogs for Insurance, Pharmicuticals and Big business. Its a shame that anyone would listen to faux news and hear them slam how collective bargaining hurts America and Unions have no use in America these days. These clowns want nothing more than to get unions out of the way so there is nothing to stop the war on workers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBodette68 Posted December 2, 2010 Share Posted December 2, 2010 Republicans will not be happy until our wages match Mexico and Chinas wages. They are nothing more than lap dogs for Insurance, Pharmicuticals and Big business. Its a shame that anyone would listen to faux news and hear them slam how collective bargaining hurts America and Unions have no use in America these days. These clowns want nothing more than to get unions out of the way so there is nothing to stop the war on workers. It is the UAW leadership that keeps wanting our wages to spiral in a never ending downward direction. If it was up too the Uaw everyone would be a dues paying member of the UAW and we would all be getting minimum wage. The last time I looked our so called UAW leaders are all Democrats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armstrong Posted December 2, 2010 Share Posted December 2, 2010 It is the UAW leadership that keeps wanting our wages to spiral in a never ending downward direction. If it was up too the Uaw everyone would be a dues paying member of the UAW and we would all be getting minimum wage. The last time I looked our so called UAW leaders are all Democrats. If the republicans had their way with us in the congressional hearings on the auto bailouts our brothers and sisters at GM and Chrysler could have had them working for minumum wage. If not for the UAW protecting them and basically us it could have been reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTP WORKER Posted December 2, 2010 Share Posted December 2, 2010 (edited) If the republicans had their way with us in the congressional hearings on the auto bailouts our brothers and sisters at GM and Chrysler could have had them working for minumum wage. If not for the UAW protecting them and basically us it could have been reality. Yes you are right. Maybe not as low as you say but they would want the workers to take a big hit on wages and benefits. I do not think that many of the Republican auto workers were paying attention back then or else they have short memories. Maybe they are just living in denial and choose not to remember. :shrug: Edited December 2, 2010 by sez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganTruck_Mafia Posted December 2, 2010 Share Posted December 2, 2010 It is the UAW leadership that keeps wanting our wages to spiral in a never ending downward direction. If it was up too the Uaw everyone would be a dues paying member of the UAW and we would all be getting minimum wage. The UAW gets 2 hours pay per month from its members. So you're saying the UAW would rather have you making $10 an hour instead of $28? Got it. :koolaid: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armstrong Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 Yes you are right. Maybe not as low as you say but they would want the workers to take a big hit on wages and benefits. I do not think that many of the Republican auto workers were paying attention back then or else they have short memories. Maybe they are just living in denial and choose not to remember. :shrug: I have a deep hatred for republicans for their anti American stance on our auto manufacturing and protecting other countries interest. Where is the outrage. If not for Obama getting elected we could all either be out of jobs or making $10 per hour. Oh yeah the UAW was there the whole way to insure our interest. Maybe this will shake their memories in our darkest hours Shame on ANY UAW autoworker that voted republican Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armstrong Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 Whenever I see bitch mcconnel on tv I want to throw a brick at him. He is so anti union its sick. Does anyone else still feel the hatred I do from the republican attacks on unions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armstrong Posted December 4, 2010 Share Posted December 4, 2010 (edited) :happy feet: Edited December 4, 2010 by Armstrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiredMotorCompany Posted December 4, 2010 Share Posted December 4, 2010 Whenever I see bitch mcconnel on tv I want to throw a brick at him. He is so anti union its sick. Does anyone else still feel the hatred I do from the republican attacks on unions? And you liberals accuse Tea Party members and Republicans of "Hate Speech". HYPOCRITE! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiredMotorCompany Posted December 4, 2010 Share Posted December 4, 2010 throwing a brick at his image on tv isn't "hate speech" or a "hate crime" its owner on TV violence. Sad but all it results in is more TV buying. lol As long as it is your own TV, I have no problem. In fact, I hope the fad catches on. Got to go, The Bachlorette is on next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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