Pioneer Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Also, the 100hp SPI motors were pieces of shit, and slow. There IS a need for more HP, so you can avoid getting hit! I have 167,000 trouble free miles on my 110hp "piece of shit" SPI, thanks. Never been hit, and I get between 33 and 35mpg while averaging 75 to 80mph during my commutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theDuff Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 I have 167,000 trouble free miles on my 110hp "piece of shit" SPI, thanks. Never been hit, and I get between 33 and 35mpg while averaging 75 to 80mph during my commutes. SPI's were very reliable. Just change the timing belt every 100k and it'll run forever. I saw a few that dropped the intake valve seat but I would still prefer that engine over the zetec. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 (edited) You get them in the door with 42 mpg's and they leave with an SEL. :shades: Im not so sure....I think the magic number is 40......the next magic number will be 45.....face it, they are all competitive, but my bet is the focus is the best car, and that will negate any trivial number advantage....although i will say this...how much better will the 1.6 eco be?.....if 5 mpgs better, game over Cruze AND Hyundai... Edited February 25, 2011 by Deanh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 (edited) nope, disc brakes avail on SE sport model as welland all SEL models, shutters are on ALL models in California, although apparently not in "colder" states...figure that one out. So that leaves the wheel covers and 16 inch lower rolling resistance tires as the only real difference....the badge is a placebo. So if the wheel covers and tires are the only real difference then what are we looking at in terms of fuel economy on regular powershift models, maybe just under 40 mpg? And that city figure of 28 mpg, how good is that and even without the econo tires, most people should be delighted. Deanh, just curious about equipment levels - how does the Titanium stack up against Buick's Regal? Edited February 25, 2011 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Wow, I'm glad they got the mpg that high (even if it's a special model). Even if the others are 37-38 that's still awesome. Now begs the question....what the hell happened to the Fiesta. Those (2012 Foci's) are the same mpg numbers as the Fiesta. I would surely think a smaller, lighter car could achieve higher numers than it's bigger brother The highway MPG is more affected by gearing and aerodynamics. Weight and engine size plays more important role in city MPG. Ford can probably make the Fiesta SFE deliver more than 40 MPG but adding active shutters and a few more trick under body aero pieces may drive the cost of the car up so high that they won't sell any. There is a very steep diminishing return on investment curve once you get past 80~90% above the mean. And in the real world, a good driver with manual transmission Fiesta can probably beat Fiesta SFE on a regular basis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 So if the wheel covers and tires are the only real difference then what are we looking at in terms of fuel economy on regular powershift models, maybe just under 40 mpg? And that city figure of 28 mpg, how good is that and even without the econo tires, most people should be delighted. Deanh, just curious about equipment levels - how does the Titanium stack up against Buick's Regal Verano? Regal is quite a bit bigger car than the Focus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 So if the wheel covers and tires are the only real difference then what are we looking at in terms of fuel economy on regular powershift models, maybe just under 40 mpg? And that city figure of 28 mpg, how good is that and even without the econo tires, most people should be delighted. Deanh, just curious about equipment levels - how does the Titanium stack up against Buick's Regal? I dont rightfully know, but wouldnt the Regal compare more to the Fusion?...the Titaniums can be CRAMMED with options, selff park, rear camers, MyKey...list is long....not sure im sold on all the "fluff" as such, but its theres for those that deem it necessary... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 The highway MPG is more affected by gearing and aerodynamics. Weight and engine size plays more important role in city MPG. Ford can probably make the Fiesta SFE deliver more than 40 MPG but adding active shutters and a few more trick under body aero pieces may drive the cost of the car up so high that they won't sell any. There is a very steep diminishing return on investment curve once you get past 80~90% above the mean. And in the real world, a good driver with manual transmission Fiesta can probably beat Fiesta SFE on a regular basis. mines a 5 speed, and no matter what type of driving Ii do, it never gets below 36 .5.....last jaunt to LAX 75-80 42.5.....so, makes me wonder if I set the cruise at 65-70... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrgdr57 Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 I dont rightfully know, but wouldnt the Regal compare more to the Fusion?...the Titaniums can be CRAMMED with options, selff park, rear camers, MyKey...list is long....not sure im sold on all the "fluff" as such, but its theres for those that deem it necessary... IFO am very happy to be able to get the tech and creature comforts available on the Titanium along with the utility of a hatch and nearly 40 MPG for literally almost half the price of my 2003 Lincoln LS V8 Premium Sport. Feels like a bargain to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aneekr Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 and apparently its awful to drive in that configuration...1.4 turbo with manual trans..... The 6MT ECO model provides a much better driving experience than the awful 6T40 automatic on other 1.4T Cruze models. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 I dont rightfully know, but wouldnt the Regal compare more to the Fusion?...the Titaniums can be CRAMMED with options, selff park, rear camers, MyKey...list is long....not sure im sold on all the "fluff" as such, but its theres for those that deem it necessary... I asked about Regal but the question was more Titanium versus Buick trim level, thanks for the response all the same... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aneekr Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 The only problems I see with it is it is only available on the SE model and the steel wheel covers are pretty ugly. The wheel covers definitely emphasize functionality (aerodynamics, specifically) over aesthetics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 The wheel covers definitely emphasize functionality (aerodynamics, specifically) over aesthetics. They look worse in person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 Would it have killed them to come up with a stylish alloy wheel that was also aerodynamic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker16 Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 Would it have killed them to come up with a stylish alloy wheel that was also aerodynamic. yes it would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 Yikes, that is ugly. You can claim function over form but it still hurts the eyes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 They look worse in person. Yikes, that looks like something you'd buy at Kmarts auto section in the 80s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker16 Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 I woud hope the debate in ford is whether to make the grille shutters standard on more cars. to boost MPG numbers. the 1.6 EB or a smaller GDi engine like the 1.6 or 1.8l I4 would do the job. either way the fiesta is going to have to step it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjl Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 And in the real world, a good driver with manual transmission Fiesta can probably beat Fiesta SFE on a regular basis. In the city, a manual driver can hypermile upshift to a greater degree than any car company would program an automatic for. However, the Fiesta's automatic has a higher top gear than the manual, so pure highway cruising gives better fuel economy with the automatic. Consumer Reports got 45mph highway with a Fiesta automatic but "only" 42mpg highway with a Fiesta manual -- their highway test is just a 65mph cruise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker16 Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 (edited) Ford's options for Focus fiesta power-packs do not exist yet. 1.2l I3 ecoboost 120-130hp 1.4l TI-VCT 105hp 1.4lTi-VCT GDi 110hp 1.6l Ti-VCT GDi 130hp 1.8L GDI 145hp existing engines 1.4L PFI 95hp no fuel economy advantage of 1.6 Ti-VCT 1.6L ECO boost.150-180hp 1.6 l Ti-VCT 120hp the easiest solution is to change the Final-drive ratios in the transmission the Cruze Eco has three overdrive gears, in it's 6spd transmission. This works extremely well with the Turbo's low end torque. Edited February 27, 2011 by Biker16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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