silvrsvt Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 http://www.app.com/article/20111017/NJNEWS/310170046/Car-engulfed-in-flames-in-Brick-moments-after-driver-gets-out?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|Frontpage|s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fxcomet Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 (edited) He's lucky. He won't have to drive it anymore. Edited October 17, 2011 by fxcomet 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fxcomet Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 I figure that's next for mine. About everything else has gone wrong with the pos. Low tire pressure warning was on (again) this weekend. So, it was off to another visit to the dealer today when, (you guessed it), it went out before I could get there. I haven't loathed a car this badly since my 76 Chevy Monza. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SVTCobra Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 I figure that's next for mine. About everything else has gone wrong with the pos. Low tire pressure warning was on (again) this weekend. So, it was off to another visit to the dealer today when, (you guessed it), it went out before I could get there. I haven't loathed a car this badly since my 76 Chevy Monza. I am guessing the pressure went up due to the increase in tire temp? That would make the light go off before getting there. Also, was it any colder by you recently? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fxcomet Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 I am guessing the pressure went up due to the increase in tire temp? That would make the light go off before getting there. Also, was it any colder by you recently? Correct on both counts. Yet another annoyance thanks to govt. intervention. It does not explain, however, why on long trips the low tire pressure indicator just starts flashing for no good reason and the dealership cannot tell me why. Chock it up to another "Unable to Duplicate". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fxcomet Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 (edited) duplicate post Edited October 17, 2011 by fxcomet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 The TPMS light has been on in my Edge for the past 3 weeks. Have checked the tire pressures in all the tires (including the spare) multiple times. They are inflated properly (as they would have been anyway -- I am not an idiot). Annoying POS sensors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 Annoying POS sensors government regulations....... Fixed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 Fixed. That too. Then again, based on the number of vehicles I see on the road every day with noticably under-inflated tires, I really don't think it's a bad thing in this particular instance. But please, Ford, give me a freaking system that actually works correctly. At least shell out the coin for a digital system that monitors each wheel individually so I can tell which sensor is screwing up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 The TPMS light has been on in my Edge for the past 3 weeks. Have checked the tire pressures in all the tires (including the spare) multiple times. They are inflated properly (as they would have been anyway -- I am not an idiot). Annoying POS sensors. We had one of the TPMS sensors go out in the Escape a few weeks ago (the day it was in for service was the day I bought my Fusion, actually). It took them all of :10 minutes to run a diagnostic and figure out which sensor wasn't responding (passenger side rear, IIRC), and maybe a half hour to replace it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 (edited) We had one of the TPMS sensors go out in the Escape a few weeks ago (the day it was in for service was the day I bought my Fusion, actually). It took them all of :10 minutes to run a diagnostic and figure out which sensor wasn't responding (passenger side rear, IIRC), and maybe a half hour to replace it. That's still half an hour longer than I would prefer to be at the dealer. And what happens when it is out of warranty? I'm sure they'll eventually go bad again. Just one more dumb expense to keep an ugly light off my dashboard. Edited October 17, 2011 by NickF1011 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 That's still half an hour longer than I would prefer to be at the dealer. And what happens when it is out of warranty? I'm sure they'll eventually go bad again. Just one more dumb expense to keep an ugly light off my dashboard. I've got the perfect solution for ya! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 I've got the perfect solution for ya! For real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 For real. Seriously though, as for temp changes causing expansion/contraction of the air in the tires, causing a fault, go with the nitrogen fill at your next service stop. Much more stable, and considering that any given day in the Buckeye state can swing from 30 degrees to 90 degrees, it's well worth it. :shades: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordtech1 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 That too. Then again, based on the number of vehicles I see on the road every day with noticably under-inflated tires, I really don't think it's a bad thing in this particular instance. But please, Ford, give me a freaking system that actually works correctly. At least shell out the coin for a digital system that monitors each wheel individually so I can tell which sensor is screwing up. Actually the system reads the pressure in each tire. With a scan tool, each tire shows the exact pressure. The only reason I can think why Ford does not show each tire's pressure on the cluster is because if the tires are rotated and not retrained to the correct locations, then it will display the wrong tire. I like how Acura/Honda do it, they put a receiver at each wheel well so the it sees the sensor closest to each receiver locating the tires. GM and Dodge do it like Ford, but they display each tire. However, as mentioned, the tire location can be off. FYI if the light is flashing, then it indicates a fault. If it is solid, indicates a low tire condition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 GM and Dodge do it like Ford, but they display each tire. However, as mentioned, the tire location can be off. FYI if the light is flashing, then it indicates a fault. If it is solid, indicates a low tire condition. It's a solid light and the pressure is not low. That's still a fault in my book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 It's a solid light and the pressure is not low. That's still a fault in my book. When ours failed, it would flash 2 or 3 times with a chime, then stay illuminated for a day or 3, then go off for a few days, then repeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 When ours failed, it would flash 2 or 3 times with a chime, then stay illuminated for a day or 3, then go off for a few days, then repeat. First time it came on, I checked the tire pressure in every tire, they were fine. The light went off the next day. It's been on a good couple solid weeks now. :shrug: Ah well. Needs to go in for an oil change and tire rotation anywho...I'll have them take a look then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fxcomet Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 First time it came on, I checked the tire pressure in every tire, they were fine. The light went off the next day. It's been on a good couple solid weeks now. :shrug: Ah well. Needs to go in for an oil change and tire rotation anywho...I'll have them take a look then. When I replaced the tires on our Edge, I went with nitrogen fill. No more low tire warnings since. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordtech1 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 It's a solid light and the pressure is not low. That's still a fault in my book. Don't get me wrong, if the pressures are in spec and the light is still on after driving it over 25mph. Then yes ofcourse it has a fault. I was just stating the light on steady is supposed to mean low pressure, yet a flashing light means malfunction and the system is disabled. TPMS has been a huge pain. People come in because their light is on. They don't check pressures before hand. But since its a light, then it must be a warrantable problem. Obviously for our regular customers thats no problem adjusting pressure, but the Jiffy Lube customers are the ones that irritate me. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aneekr Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 http://www.app.com/article/20111017/NJNEWS/310170046/Car-engulfed-in-flames-in-Brick-moments-after-driver-gets-out?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|Frontpage|s Looks like there isn't much crime and mayhem in Ocean County, New Jersey if something like this makes news. I do recall Brick Township winning the title of "America's Safest City" at least once! But please, Ford, give me a freaking system that actually works correctly. At least shell out the coin for a digital system that monitors each wheel individually so I can tell which sensor is screwing up. :yup: I hope the FMVSS 138 conformant, software based indirect TPMS system designed by NIRA Dynamics becomes more popular. Currently this solution is used only in Volkswagen AG products. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted October 19, 2011 Author Share Posted October 19, 2011 Looks like there isn't much crime and mayhem in Ocean County, New Jersey if something like this makes news. I do recall Brick Township winning the title of "America's Safest City" at least once! LOL I grew up in this town...trust me theres alot more going on here then there was then I was a kid 25 years ago...big influx of people from Northern NJ and Staten Island The America's Safest City thing is a bunch of bull...I dated a girl who lived in Hamilton (was one of the "Safest Cities") and Trenton was on the other side of the highway....and was one of the worst! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted October 19, 2011 Author Share Posted October 19, 2011 When I replaced the tires on our Edge, I went with nitrogen fill. No more low tire warnings since. How does that work? if you already have O2 in the tire, how do you get it all out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerM Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 (edited) How does that work? if you already have O2 in the tire, how do you get it all out? You can't get it all out. Not without putting the tire on a vacuum. (dry) Air is already 79% nitrogen and 20.9% Oxygen. Nitrogen has a molecular weight of 28 and Oxygen is 32. (Air is a percent adjusted 28.84) I really don't know how much of a difference the nitrogen is supposed to make in a real world scenario. Only thing I can think is most air pumps (note that I didn't say compressors) don't extract the water vapor prior to their output. At the higher pressures of a tire, the vapor can condense, until the tire heats up to evaporate it. Bottled nitrogen would have no water vapor. Neither would bottled air. A compressor would usually condense most of the vapor, as well. Edited October 19, 2011 by RangerM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 :yup: I hope the FMVSS 138 conformant, software based indirect TPMS system designed by NIRA Dynamics becomes more popular. Currently this solution is used only in Volkswagen AG products. Are you actually advocating Volkswagen electronics? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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