rscalzo Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Same thing happened to me. I was getting ready to trade in a Mitsubishi Montero. A week before I was going to trade it, the shaft between the trans and transfer case sheared. $2500 to repair just to trade it in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golowes48 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Well we ended up cancelling our original order because they were total a$$es about everything. They would not even give us a loaner until the new one came in. So much for having "friends" at a dealership. So I found a Tuxedo Black Titanium model at another dealership and we love it so far!!! I am so glad I joined these forums and read what everyone said about the SEL packages compared to the Titanium package. We got way more car for less cash in the long run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sculchy Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 In comparing the SEL to the Titanium for me I found the SEL to be a better deal. The Titanium was basically $440 more and all I gained were HID headlights and 19" tires that are $50 more a piece when I need to replace them. Oh and some chrome accents. Although I would have liked HID headlights for me it wasn't worth spending more money up front and down the road as I plan to keep this vehicle awhile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rscalzo Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Stopped by my local dealer and he had quite a few Escapes sitting on the lot. At least 25. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillboy Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 In comparing the SEL to the Titanium for me I found the SEL to be a better deal. The Titanium was basically $440 more and all I gained were HID headlights and 19" tires that are $50 more a piece when I need to replace them. Oh and some chrome accents. Although I would have liked HID headlights for me it wasn't worth spending more money up front and down the road as I plan to keep this vehicle awhile. Since I am 55 and night vision decreases with advancing age, the HIDs were the only reason we went with a Titanium. We have never had HIDs in the past, but I always marvel at the quality of the light when I ride in a car that has them. I too abhor the 19" wheels...expensive tires, rougher ride, easier to damage the tires, easier to curb a wheel. I'd trade for 18's even up if anyone in the Twin Cities wants to get together (I'd have to get that approved with "the boss" first though). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digijay Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 These are good points I never thought about. Being in Ontario.. winter's can be harsh and I bet winter tires will cost a pretty penny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mogur Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 (edited) One of the reasons we went with the Titanium package - in addition to the HIDS, as previously mentioned - WAS the 19" wheels and tires. Having driven a SEL with 18s back to back with a titanium with 19s, the improvement in handling with the 19s was clearly palpable. Plus we think the vehicle looks much better with the 19s than the 18s... One other consideration was the finish on the 18s that apparently is a little finicky in how it has to be treated, according to the manual... We also liked the interior trim better on the Titanium. By the way, our previous two vehicles also had HIDs and once you have them, it is hard to go back... Since I am 55 and night vision decreases with advancing age, the HIDs were the only reason we went with a Titanium. We have never had HIDs in the past, but I always marvel at the quality of the light when I ride in a car that has them. I too abhor the 19" wheels...expensive tires, rougher ride, easier to damage the tires, easier to curb a wheel. I'd trade for 18's even up if anyone in the Twin Cities wants to get together (I'd have to get that approved with "the boss" first though). Edited August 29, 2012 by mogur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sculchy Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 One of the reasons we went with the Titanium package - in addition to the HIDS, as previously mentioned - WAS the 19" wheels and tires. Having driven a SEL with 18s back to back with a titanium with 19s, the improvement in handling with the 19s was clearly palpable. Plus we think the vehicle looks much better with the 19s than the 18s... One other consideration was the finish on the 18s that apparently is a little finicky in how it has to be treated, according to the manual... We also liked the interior trim better on the Titanium. By the way, our previous two vehicles also had HIDs and once you have them, it is hard to go back... Could you explain further about the special treatment needed for the 18's as I was not aware of this issue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mogur Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 (edited) It was in one of the documents that I read and it indicated that the 18" wheels had a special coating that could be damaged by some cleaners and processes. The 17 and 19 inch wheels don't use this process. It's in one of the many documents that I have on the computer and I'll try and find it and post the text of it here later. I do remember that it pertained to one of the two or three 18" wheel options that are available on the Escape, but I can't remember which one off the top of my head... Could you explain further about the special treatment needed for the 18's as I was not aware of this issue? Edited August 30, 2012 by mogur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillboy Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 Looking in the brochure, it appears there are three different finishes for the 18 inch wheel (polished aluminum on the SE, and sparkle nickel-painted aluminum or chrome alloy finish aluminum on the SEL), and mogur is correct, the chrome alloy one can be damaged by certain wheel cleaning products. I don't have that Ford document saved on my laptop, it is on the other computer, but it spoke in a little detail about the plating process involved for this finish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 Looking in the brochure, it appears there are three different finishes for the 18 inch wheel (polished aluminum on the SE, and sparkle nickel-painted aluminum or chrome alloy finish aluminum on the SEL), and mogur is correct, the chrome alloy one can be damaged by certain wheel cleaning products. I don't have that Ford document saved on my laptop, it is on the other computer, but it spoke in a little detail about the plating process involved for this finish. I'm pretty sure that warning applies to all wheels now. Even the polished ones are usually clear coated. Also - there is most likely no mechanical linkage from the shifter to the transmission - it just sends an electronic signal to the PCM and the PCM tells the tranny when to shift. That's what keeps it from shifting when it's not safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillboy Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 From page 4 of the 22 page brochure titled "2013 Escape The Product Information Book". Smart finish The 18-inch wheels, optional on SE and SEL, use an advanced ”plating” technology called Physical Vapor Deposition (PVD) to produce the “chrome” finish. PVD combines vacuum plating with powder coating as a replacement for the traditional chrome plating process. One benefit of PVD is reduced weight. While traditional chrome is metal based, PVD is not. PLEASE NOTE: Customers should NOT use traditional chrome cleaners when cleaning wheels with a PVD coating, as the chemicals and abrasives will ruin the protective clearcoat and eventually degrade the PVD layer. The wheels should be cleaned with soap and water or a mild approved cleaner.(1) Let's see if I can attach the PDF...2013 Escape Prod Info.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 From page 4 of the 22 page brochure titled "2013 Escape The Product Information Book". Smart finish The 18-inch wheels, optional on SE and SEL, use an advanced ”plating” technology called Physical Vapor Deposition (PVD) to produce the “chrome” finish. PVD combines vacuum plating with powder coating as a replacement for the traditional chrome plating process. One benefit of PVD is reduced weight. While traditional chrome is metal based, PVD is not. PLEASE NOTE: Customers should NOT use traditional chrome cleaners when cleaning wheels with a PVD coating, as the chemicals and abrasives will ruin the protective clearcoat and eventually degrade the PVD layer. The wheels should be cleaned with soap and water or a mild approved cleaner.(1) That's what I said - the cleaning process is the same as other wheels. They're just telling you not to use chrome cleaner because they're not really chrome. But you shouldn't use chrome cleaner on any wheels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillboy Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 With all the wheel cleaning products on the market, it is hard to tell what is considered "mild". Most say they are safe for ALL wheel finishes. I had never heard of this PVD process before, so I made the (apparently wrong) assumption that they were even more prone to damage from wheel cleaners than the common clearcoated wheels that have been around for decades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PajamaGuy Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 So - I ordered a 2.0L SEL AWD on the 28th. I just pulsed my dealer and he said 2 weeks before VIN. Does that sound correct? They ARE running 3 shifts now! (and...how/where do I subscribe to be notified when anyone replies to the thread?) PJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digijay Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 It was about 2 weeks before I got my VIN. I just found out my escape arrived at the dealership today, but It'll be tuesday before I get it thanks to the long weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeeman84 Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 Ordered in March, built on June 5th, arrived at he dealership today. Taking delivery on Saturday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaporEdge Posted August 31, 2012 Author Share Posted August 31, 2012 WooHoo......my Escape has finally arrived. It was ordered June 16th. Headed to pick it up tomorrow at the dealer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillboy Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 zeeman and vapor must both be 1.6 EcoBoosts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leon Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 I've got my VIN for a few days, but it is still not found on either of the recommended sites. One of them says "The VIN entered was not found in our system", the other pops up some crazy PDF exception. So, how long does it take a VIN to get to the system? The build date is supposed to be Sep-10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rk2112 Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 I've got my VIN for a few days, but it is still not found on either of the recommended sites. One of them says "The VIN entered was not found in our system", the other pops up some crazy PDF exception. So, how long does it take a VIN to get to the system? The build date is supposed to be Sep-10. My window sticker didn't show up for about two weeks after receiving my VIN#. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sculchy Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 (edited) I've got my VIN for a few days, but it is still not found on either of the recommended sites. One of them says "The VIN entered was not found in our system", the other pops up some crazy PDF exception. So, how long does it take a VIN to get to the system? The build date is supposed to be Sep-10. It took 2 weeks to get my VIN and the window sticker was available to view the next day. Edited September 1, 2012 by sculchy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaporEdge Posted September 1, 2012 Author Share Posted September 1, 2012 Pillboy, I actually ordered a 1.6L and then the recall hit and my order was stuck in processing, so I changed the order to a 2.0L. I am excited and ready to go get out today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillboy Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 Pillboy, I actually ordered a 1.6L and then the recall hit and my order was stuck in processing, so I changed the order to a 2.0L. I am excited and ready to go get out today. You'll love the 2.0. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaporEdge Posted September 2, 2012 Author Share Posted September 2, 2012 Pillboy.......the 2.0 is awesome. It has amazing power......I am really going to have to watch my speed, don't want to see blue lights behind me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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