MKII Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 (edited) Upper class segments had the largest decrease in sales -13.9% Strong growth rates In contrast, were B segment (eg-Ford Fiesta, Mazda2) +20.3% and B segment MPV (eg-Ford B-Max, Honda Fit) +9.1 and in the SUV segment +17.4%. The compact class (eg-Ford Focus, VW Golf) segment was the strongest segment with 23.8% market share. The proportions of gasoline (50.5%) and diesel-driven cars 48.2% are almost identical. Only 1.3 percent of new cars were equipped with alternative engines, including 21,438 hybrid and electric with 2956. Total 2012 sales volume 3,082,504 Source (in German) http://www.motor-talk.de/forum/aktion/Attachment.html?attachmentId=715994 Edited January 4, 2013 by MKII Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 And let's not forget that as many as 25% of those sales were bogus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stentgraft95 Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 And let's not forget that as many as 25% of those sales were bogus. Bogus in what aspect? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pictor Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 (edited) A lot of cars are bought by new car dealers than sold as used cars at a heavy discount, this practice is used by a lot auto of companies in Germany http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-08-15/bmw-s-phantom-sales-in-germany-show-debt-crisis-contagion Edited January 4, 2013 by pictor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stentgraft95 Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 A lot of cars are bought by new car dealers than sold as used cars at a heavy discount, this practice is used by a lot auto of companies in Germanyhttp://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-08-15/bmw-s-phantom-sales-in-germany-show-debt-crisis-contagion I wasn't questioning the claim as much as wondering how they were bogus. So here in the states when a dealer orders a car is that counted by the manufacturer as sold yet or does it have to be sold to an individual? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 I wasn't questioning the claim as much as wondering how they were bogus. So here in the states when a dealer orders a car is that counted by the manufacturer as sold yet or does it have to be sold to an individual? It has to be sold to an outside party. *revenue* is booked when a vehicle is manufactured, but sales are tallied when the purchase paperwork is signed. What's happening in Germany is that dealers are registering these vehicles themselves, to increase the number of 'sold vehicles' and are turning around and selling them as *used* vehicles to customers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papilgee4evaeva Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Wouldn't they take a bath on those transactions though? Unless their used price is identical to the new price, that is... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Wouldn't they take a bath on those transactions though? Unless their used price is identical to the new price, that is... It's not clear that they even sell them as used cars or represent them as used to the buyers. Even if they did it's probably no worse than a $3K rebate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Wouldn't they take a bath on those transactions though? Unless their used price is identical to the new price, that is... They're compensated by the mfr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Just wondering if Germany does a VAT tax on point of sale for cars? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKII Posted January 5, 2013 Author Share Posted January 5, 2013 What I found most interesting in the article is that gas engine sales are higher then diesel engine sales. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Euro V ends most of the favorable treatment of diesel emissions. Consequently, lower trim vehicles are moving more to GTDI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 (edited) Euro V ends most of the favorable treatment of diesel emissions. Consequently, lower trim vehicles are moving more to GTDI. With likelihood of more sales moving back to gasoline in Europe, That should add more justification for further development of GDTI and the opposite to diesel programs, I think it will add some necessary balance. Edited January 6, 2013 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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