Obamacare-Because this needs it's own thread

[BlackHorse]

Good one Black horse. If even 10 percent of your mind thought for itself you'd understand the point. Alas you can't.

 

 

Oh no! Not the "your brain doesn't work because you're conservative" jab! Anything but that! lmao What a chode. I understand the point Langston. You're a hate filled liberal who is mad at the whole world and can't accept that liberalism is really socialism and it's failing all over the place.

[BlackHorse]

 

 

 

It really doesn't matter to me what skin color someone is, but these word games do an injustice to real conversation about race.

 

 

Langston does not want to have a real conversation about race and we both know it He just wants to rant about how all conservatives are racist because it props up his silly little world view and he can't accept that it's just not true.

[FiredMotorCompany]

Parsing the phrase, "African-American" reveals the obvious use of the title of two continents that can also be considered common names for individual countries.

Caucasian refers to a region of Europe.

 

None of these refer to skin color, as you are directly trying to associate with your usage of "African-American". At one time, "Black is Beautiful" was a proudly proclaimed self-assured proclamation. Today, even blacks are reluctant to use the word, and use P.C. speech instead.

 

Call these groups by their skin color or not. Your use of code words for skin color is disingenuous.

Code words are code words.

 

 

 

 

It really doesn't matter to me what skin color someone is, but these word games do an injustice to real conversation about race.

 

 

Your being purposely foolish and petty.

 

African american is a word that is understood and basically accepted to mean a Black American of historic slave descent. I use it almost interchangeably with Black American and your are aware that most people do. It's not by any means a code word, but rather a descriptive term used as I've stated before to describe a group of people who have limited ability to determine country of origin.

 

"Your being purposely foolish and petty." I am neither, but you couldn't develop a better retort so you attack my veracity rather than my stated point.

 

A code word such as "African-American" is a code word. No matter how much you refuse to admit it.

If we are going to quibble over code words, let's put our cards on the table and quit tippy-toeing around.

 

Rather, if those who you assign the class as "African-American" were honest, they would proclaim pride in their heritage, ala "Black Heritage Month", but they don't use that same label when referring to themselves for the other 11 months of the year, and neither do you.

 

In fact, you don't use a comparable label for yourself. You describe yourself as "white" and not some p.c. regional heritage new-speak.

 

If the issue is black skin versus white skin or yellow skin or red skin, then refer to it as such. It is in no way being racist as the definition of the word would encompass the usage. Though, more than one here thinks "racist" is an all-around utilitarian label to assassinate the credibility and character of an opposing view.

 

If the issue is continental bloodlines, then focus on that. Don't mix metaphors.

[Bored of Pisteon]

I'm just sitting back and watching the show.

[Langston Hughes]

Oh no! Not the "your brain doesn't work because you're conservative" jab! Anything but that! lmao What a chode. I understand the point Langston. You're a hate filled liberal who is mad at the whole world and can't accept that liberalism is really socialism and it's failing all over the place.

 

You have that backwards. Your a conservative because your brain doesn't work and you can't think for yourself. Actually, i'm a very happy liberal who enjoys crashing the personal anti-Obama party you and the rest of the conservatives have here. You just don't like that I do that and that i don't join in on the fluffing that you conservatives give each other.

[Langston Hughes]

Langston does not want to have a real conversation about race and we both know it He just wants to rant about how all conservatives are racist because it props up his silly little world view and he can't accept that it's just not true.

I'm trying to have a real conversation but we're having to deal with Fired's inability to understand the historical usage of "African American" It's a pretty simple concept but conservatives aren't good with them.

 

So when are you going to show evidence that socialism isn't working. Don't just keep telling us, show us. and something more substantial than Mcmansions and small cars. I'd love to see some statistical evidence on how the health system are so inferior to ours too.

[BlackHorse]

I'm trying to have a real conversation but we're having to deal with Fired's inability to understand the historical usage of "African American" It's a pretty simple concept but conservatives aren't good with them.

 

So when are you going to show evidence that socialism isn't working. Don't just keep telling us, show us. and something more substantial than Mcmansions and small cars. I'd love to see some statistical evidence on how the health system are so inferior to ours too.

 

lol You haven't tried to have a real conversation since you started posting on this forum. You just want to preach hate and intolerance for those that don't agree with your socialist world view. I'm not going to waste my time going over the failures of socialism on a point by point basis with you. Do your own research. Fired and myself could spend the next two weeks laying out how socialism has failed from here until the cows come home and you'll just tell us that we're liars and racists so why bother. There is no point in engaging you in meaningful debate because you can't accept reality. That's why I just opt for pointing out the obvious which is that you're full of hate and close minded and nothing will change that.

[FiredMotorCompany]

I'm trying to have a real conversation but we're having to deal with Fired's inability to understand the historical usage of "African American" It's a pretty simple concept but conservatives aren't good with them.

 

So when are you going to show evidence that socialism isn't working. Don't just keep telling us, show us. and something more substantial than Mcmansions and small cars. I'd love to see some statistical evidence on how the health system are so inferior to ours too.

It's not "inability". It's refusing to allow your use of "code words" when you chide me for the same. When in fact I was not using "code words", I was referring tho those who made the threat and their cohorts.

 

If you are talking about blacks in America, then say so. Don't pussy-foot around. African-American is cutesy talk, despite the not-so-long term (less than 40 years because I remember the popular "Black" preference period.) use of the phrase.

[Edstock]

From the New Yorker

 

Millions Flee Obamacare

 

 

Millions of Tea Party loyalists fled the United States in the early morning hours today, seeking what one of them called “the American dream of liberty from health care.”

 

[FiredMotorCompany]

From the New Yorker

 

Millions Flee Obamacare

 

 

Millions of Tea Party loyalists fled the United States in the early morning hours today, seeking what one of them called “the American dream of liberty from health care.”

 

True Tea Party advocates would be the last to leave the country. In fact, they'd be willing to be the "Last Man Standing".

[Langston Hughes]

lol You haven't tried to have a real conversation since you started posting on this forum. You just want to preach hate and intolerance for those that don't agree with your socialist world view. I'm not going to waste my time going over the failures of socialism on a point by point basis with you. Do your own research. Fired and myself could spend the next two weeks laying out how socialism has failed from here until the cows come home and you'll just tell us that we're liars and racists so why bother. There is no point in engaging you in meaningful debate because you can't accept reality. That's why I just opt for pointing out the obvious which is that you're full of hate and close minded and nothing will change that.

 

i'm glad that your not going to bust out the talking points and go over them line by line. That shit's more played out than you calling me a racist for holding my own race accountable for their beliefs.

 

So again show me how states like German and the Scandinavians are failing. Using things other than home and car size preferably.

[Langston Hughes]

It's not "inability". It's refusing to allow your use of "code words" when you chide me for the same. When in fact I was not using "code words", I was referring tho those who made the threat and their cohorts.

 

If you are talking about blacks in America, then say so. Don't pussy-foot around. African-American is cutesy talk, despite the not-so-long term (less than 40 years because I remember the popular "Black" preference period.) use of the phrase.

 

That's why I chided you. It was mostly angry blacks that made the threats and yet you were unwilling to say that and then threw in a blast about street cred for divorce. And here you are flailing away at me for referencing a group of particular people by a name that they themselves use.

 

It just doesn't make sense that you'd be this resistant to my using the term African American to describe blacks of slave descent. I'm using it to talk specifically about that group, not recent black immigrants from Africa nor white African immigrants. This isn't trying to talk about someone with plausible deniability by using "Welfare Queens" or "Those that want to lynch..." this is accurately and openly describing someone and not hiding who i am talking about. That's why it is not code words, because I want you to know exactly who i'm talking about and not kinda sorta blurring the lines.

[FiredMotorCompany]

It was so hard to decide where to post this.....Obama failures, Unintended Consequences, or Obamacare. Well, this was still on the first page, so here you go.

 

 

1-800-FUCKYO

 

Easy to remember mnemonic to the Obamacare phone number.

 

Need health care coverage? Just dial 1-800-F**KYO to reach Obamacare’s national hotline

 

Need health insurance? The Obama administration has you covered. Simply dial 1-800-FUCKYO to reach the next available health-care provider.

Far from being a mistype, that’s the official number that Health and Human Services wants Americans to dial when seeking health care. Obamacare’s national call center really did list its number as 1-800-318-2596, helpfully spelling out President Barack Obama’s tendency to blatantly flip the bird in plain view.

After allowing for the lack of letters attached to 1 on a traditional American telephone keypad, the number spells out a clear message. For every duped voter, every young invincible weighing the cost of a penalty versus a newly tripled yearly deductible, every ailing old granny in a wheelchair (whom, remember, Paul Ryan wants to push off a cliff) who needs adequate and affordable health care, Obama’s message is:

1-800-3(F) 8(U) 2© 5(K) 9(Y) 6(O).

[RangerM]

Sort of a "face in the clouds" kind of coincidence, but certainly apt.

[napfirst]

It was so hard to decide where to post this.....Obama failures, Unintended Consequences, or Obamacare. Well, this was still on the first page, so here you go.

 

 

1-800-FUCKYO

 

Easy to remember mnemonic to the Obamacare phone number.

 

Need health care coverage? Just dial 1-800-F**KYO to reach Obamacare’s national hotline

This may be the only thing that they have gotten right with the aca

[FiredMotorCompany]

But, since when were we mandated by federal I.R.S. regulations to buy an Apple product?

 

 

Wonkbook: Obamacare’s Web site is really bad

"We’re building a complicated piece of technology," Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius said on the first day of Obamacare, "and hopefully you’ll give us the same slack you give Apple."

[GaryG]

But, since when were we mandated by federal I.R.S. regulations to buy an Apple product?

 

 

Wonkbook: Obamacare’s Web site is really bad

 

Sorry Fired, I view you as stupid as the rest of your party. You try to take over a Ford site for the dying crooked GOP, and are making a fool of yourself. Give it up man, your party has shot itself in the ass with your own 30 clip AK-47. I think I saw Allen West today looking for money to buy food at 45th and 1-95, and he looked bad with a GOP shirt if that was him. Bribery only works till the elections. Find a job that you can't be fired like in the GOP headquarters. At least they are required to provide healthcare now for preexisting mental illness like in your case.

 

Gary

[napfirst]

Sorry Fired, I view you as stupid as the rest of your party. You try to take over a Ford site for the dying crooked GOP, and are making a fool of yourself. Give it up man, your party has shot itself in the ass with your own 30 clip AK-47. I think I saw Allen West today looking for money to buy food at 45th and 1-95, and he looked bad with a GOP shirt if that was him. Bribery only works till the elections. Find a job that you can't be fired like in the GOP headquarters. At least they are required to provide healthcare now for preexisting mental illness like in your case.

 

Gary

WTH are you talking about....comment on Fired's post.....if you can....

[NickF1011]

Sorry Fired, I view you as stupid as the rest of your party. You try to take over a Ford site for the dying crooked GOP, and are making a fool of yourself. Give it up man, your party has shot itself in the ass with your own 30 clip AK-47. I think I saw Allen West today looking for money to buy food at 45th and 1-95, and he looked bad with a GOP shirt if that was him. Bribery only works till the elections. Find a job that you can't be fired like in the GOP headquarters. At least they are required to provide healthcare now for preexisting mental illness like in your case.

 

Gary

 

Ad hominem much?

[Edstock]

To Understand the Shutdown You Have to Grasp the Mindset of the GOP Base

 

 

Democracy Corps – a Democratic-leaning polling firm – released a study this week based on a series of focus groups they conducted with loyal Republican voters. They divided them up into three sub-groups which together represent the base of the party. Evangelicals represent the largest group, followed by Republicans who identify with the tea party movement. “Moderates,” the third group, make up about a quarter of the party’s base, according to the pollsters.

Fear of a changing society is one thing that unites all three factions. The battle over Obamacare, write the study’s authors, “goes to the heart of Republican base thinking about the essential political battle.”

 

• • •

 

But there are also deep divisions within the base, according to the analysis. Evangelicals still focus overwhelmingly on social issues. They think gay rights are the biggest threat to our society, but they also worry about the loss of what they see as an idyllic small-town culture. They feel besieged as the cultural ground shifts beneath them, and see themselves as a beleaguered, “politically incorrect” minority.

Tea partiers display a libertarian streak, and are far less concerned with social issues. They are staunchly pro-business. But there’s an easy alliance between these two groups – which make up well over half of the GOP base – because Evangelicals think the tea partiers are fighting back, and vice versa.

Both groups displayed a high level of paranoia, according to the researchers who conducted the study. They noted that this was the first time, in many years of conducting focus groups, that participants worried that their participation might trigger surveillance by the NSA or an audit by the IRS. In addition to thinking that Obama is a liar, and a covert Communist, these two groups were also more likely to express the belief that he is secretly a Muslim.

The moderates were, as one might expect, quite different.

 

http://billmoyers.com/2013/10/05/to-understand-the-shutdown-you-have-to-grasp-the-mindset-of-the-gop-base/

[NickF1011]

To Understand the Shutdown You Have to Grasp the Mindset of the GOP Base

 

 

Democracy Corps – a Democratic-leaning polling firm – released a study this week based on a series of focus groups they conducted with loyal Republican voters. They divided them up into three sub-groups which together represent the base of the party. Evangelicals represent the largest group, followed by Republicans who identify with the tea party movement. “Moderates,” the third group, make up about a quarter of the party’s base, according to the pollsters.

 

Fear of a changing society is one thing that unites all three factions. The battle over Obamacare, write the study’s authors, “goes to the heart of Republican base thinking about the essential political battle.”

 

• • •

 

But there are also deep divisions within the base, according to the analysis. Evangelicals still focus overwhelmingly on social issues. They think gay rights are the biggest threat to our society, but they also worry about the loss of what they see as an idyllic small-town culture. They feel besieged as the cultural ground shifts beneath them, and see themselves as a beleaguered, “politically incorrect” minority.

 

Tea partiers display a libertarian streak, and are far less concerned with social issues. They are staunchly pro-business. But there’s an easy alliance between these two groups – which make up well over half of the GOP base – because Evangelicals think the tea partiers are fighting back, and vice versa.

 

Both groups displayed a high level of paranoia, according to the researchers who conducted the study. They noted that this was the first time, in many years of conducting focus groups, that participants worried that their participation might trigger surveillance by the NSA or an audit by the IRS. In addition to thinking that Obama is a liar, and a covert Communist, these two groups were also more likely to express the belief that he is secretly a Muslim.

 

The moderates were, as one might expect, quite different.

 

http://billmoyers.com/2013/10/05/to-understand-the-shutdown-you-have-to-grasp-the-mindset-of-the-gop-base/

 

The problem with this is that the "GOP base" doesn't seem to represent a lot of self-described conservatives who refuse to align themselves into the Republican party. It says itself (you even bolded it) that it focused on loyal Republican voters, not conservative voters.

Edited October 7, 2013 by NickF1011

[FiredMotorCompany]

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But there are also deep divisions within the base, according to the analysis. Evangelicals still focus overwhelmingly on social issues. They think gay rights are the biggest threat to our society, but they also worry about the loss of what they see as an idyllic small-town culture. They feel besieged as the cultural ground shifts beneath them, and see themselves as a beleaguered, politically incorrect minority.<br />

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Tea partiers display a libertarian streak, and are far less concerned with social issues. They are staunchly pro-business. But theres an easy alliance between these two groups which make up well over half of the GOP base because Evangelicals think the tea partiers are fighting back, and vice versa.<br />

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<strong class='bbc'>Both groups displayed a high level of paranoia</strong>, according to the researchers who conducted the study. They noted that this was the first time, in many years of conducting focus groups, that participants worried that their participation might trigger surveillance by the NSA or an audit by the IRS. In addition to thinking that Obama is a liar, and a covert Communist, these two groups were also more likely to express the belief that he is secretly a Muslim.<br />

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The moderates were, as one might expect, quite different.<br />

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Blasted html crap <blockquote> crap.

 

Nick. Get to work on this.

 

 

Edstock. I see you found someone with typing skills you want to plagarize. Do you have any personal thoughts to share so we can debate the differnt views. I don't think Bill Moyers is a member here.

[FiredMotorCompany]

Nick. What the frack is up with this <blockquote> crap?

[NickF1011]

Nick. What the frack is up with this <blockquote> crap?

 

No idea. Bugging me too. I'll send a message to Robert.

[RangerM]

No idea. Bugging me too. I'll send a message to Robert.

I have the problem only when accessing the mobile site, and not the full version.