focusfrank Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 I think they can only post if a plant is hiring. And I don't see any plants hiring before the 22nd I think those who don't have enough seniority to hold days or afternoons are screwed and thats why the union isn't saying much, their going to string people along because if they come out saying your permanently laid off no one will work and constantly be letting the line go down And not show up for work. It's going to get ugly really quick you watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one of a kind Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 We were under the impression you guys know it is going to be an ILO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted April 16, 2015 Author Share Posted April 16, 2015 Nobody really knows what's going on right now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
focusfrank Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 We were under the impression you guys know it is going to be an ILO Tier 2 DOESN'T have any recall OR transfer rights so tier 2 can thank International for that sweet contract agreement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
focusfrank Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Nobody really knows what's going on right now You better believe that the Union knows exactly whats going on but their just not telling anyone. I'm sure they(the union and plant management) knew this was coming weeks ago but did or said nothing about it. Their (the union) going to keep everyone in the dark about what's planned.. For those who don't get permanently laid off be prepared come contract time to get screwed. Think about it, International raises our Union dues to supposedly increase our strike fund then 5 months before the end of the contract the company pulls this, something sounds fishy.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
182 Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 How many Tier 2 are at MAP right now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted April 16, 2015 Author Share Posted April 16, 2015 You better believe that the Union knows exactly whats going on but their just not telling anyone. I'm sure they(the union and plant management) knew this was coming weeks ago but did or said nothing about it. Their (the union) going to keep everyone in the dark about what's planned.. For those who don't get permanently laid off be prepared come contract time to get screwed. Think about it, International raises our Union dues to supposedly increase our strike fund then 5 months before the end of the contract the company pulls this, something sounds fishy..I get all that, I mean nobody on the line knows what's going on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
focusfrank Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 How many Tier 2 are at MAP right now? Unsure of that but Ford got over on the Union on this one. They agreed in the last contract to hire an additional 12,000 workers by 2015, the contract didn't state how long that Ford had to keep them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
182 Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Thus life in the auto industry. Its a shitty life that doesnt even pay well anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
focusfrank Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Thus life in the auto industry. Its a shitty life that doesnt even pay well anymore. Agree.... Only ones who are getting rich is the International at our expense and they feed us their b.s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlecountry Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 I think those who don't have enough seniority to hold days or afternoons are screwed and thats why the union isn't saying much, their going to string people along because if they come out saying your permanently laid off no one will work and constantly be letting the line go down And not show up for work. It's going to get ugly really quick you watch. WoW! You are something else! If they told you today that you were being laid off in June you best believe that if you wanted to not be fired you would come to work and you would not stop the line on purpose, they would fire you in a heartbeat for sabotage! A lay off in the auto world is not the end of the world, calm down! You might be in the wrong line of work cause in this business it all depends on someone buying what you build, people don't buy , you don't work! It's a way of life in this business , trust me it's not fun but you just have to be able to deal with that in this line of work, when it's good it's good, but when it's bad it's bad! Right now things are good so you will most likely end up working at another plant since ford is hiring , just calm down and ride it out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
focusfrank Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 WoW! You are something else! If they told you today that you were being laid off in June you best believe that if you wanted to not be fired you would come to work and you would not stop the line on purpose, they would fire you in a heartbeat for sabotage! A lay off in the auto world is not the end of the world, calm down! You might be in the wrong line of work cause in this business it all depends on someone buying what you build, people don't buy , you don't work! It's a way of life in this business , trust me it's not fun but you just have to be able to deal with that in this line of work, when it's good it's good, but when it's bad it's bad! Right now things are good so you will most likely end up working at another plant since ford is hiring , just calm down and ride it out! I wasn't referring to myself but you know how people can get, life will go on.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted April 16, 2015 Author Share Posted April 16, 2015 WoW! You are something else! If they told you today that you were being laid off in June you best believe that if you wanted to not be fired you would come to work and you would not stop the line on purpose, they would fire you in a heartbeat for sabotage! A lay off in the auto world is not the end of the world, calm down! You might be in the wrong line of work cause in this business it all depends on someone buying what you build, people don't buy , you don't work! It's a way of life in this business , trust me it's not fun but you just have to be able to deal with that in this line of work, when it's good it's good, but when it's bad it's bad! Right now things are good so you will most likely end up working at another plant since ford is hiring , just calm down and ride it out! He has nothing to worry about. He's not entry level and (based on what I've gathered) has a fair amount of seniority. Meanwhile I'm bottom 30 in the plant, am tier 2 and have just under 2 years seniority, so yeah, I'm a bit worried since I have NO transfer rights and NO recall rights Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlecountry Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 He has nothing to worry about. He's not entry level and (based on what I've gathered) has a fair amount of seniority. Meanwhile I'm bottom 30 in the plant, am tier 2 and have just under 2 years seniority, so yeah, I'm a bit worried since I have NO transfer rights and NO recall rights If it was 2008 I would say your screwed, but Ford has openings , you may not be placed immediately but you will most likely get placed! Just hang in there it will work out! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted April 16, 2015 Author Share Posted April 16, 2015 If it was 2008 I would say your screwed, but Ford has openings , you may not be placed immediately but you will most likely get placed! Just hang in there it will work out! I dunno, It kinda scares me that you of all people are the voice of reason right now! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
focusfrank Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 He has nothing to worry about. He's not entry level and (based on what I've gathered) has a fair amount of seniority. Meanwhile I'm bottom 30 in the plant, am tier 2 and have just under 2 years seniority, so yeah, I'm a bit worried since I have NO transfer rights and NO recall rights I fortunately have enough seniority not to worry your correct, hopefully in your case along with other tier 2 they will find another plant for you. I for one don't want to see anyone lose their job. Try to hang in there brother 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decker Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 I dunno, It kinda scares me that you of all people are the voice of reason right now! fuzzy you have to stay focused, this shit has been going on every time a contract comes around. For the last three or for contracts. This is what is refereed to as rip sawing or putting us against us or local against local. The most shitiest thing about it is people are pushed from location to location and our union goes right along with it. It may be called united auto workers but the members are treated like migrant workers... One day this shit will stop but for now the company pays a great salary to the local unit rep`s and the IUAW only cares that there are more of us so we can pay their salaries and we get the scraps. Hang in there fuzzy, hell here at CAP they just had a lottery for 100 applications and the revolving door is still swinging so the way things are you`ll most likely be placed right after the IUAW`s best they could get goes into effect. Hey, littlecountry has good posts too and does make good points. Decker 1 of the 1788 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTP'er Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 The twenty-five people more than likely are not coming back to body-stamping. If they fall into the bottom 750 at MAP then they will not come back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDeal Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 anybody know how many people per shift in paint? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
focusfrank Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 And STILL no word from the local union at MAP on what's going on, thanks for keeping the members ininformed...TOTAL B.S.!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trailfndr Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 The local union does NOT know what's going on completely as yet. The Company dropped the bomb on them, and they reported it to the membership as soon as they were told of it. Right now, they are awaiting the company to finalize plans so that you and I can be better informed. You can sit here on your computer and blame whoever the hell you want, but please put blame where it belongs...this is a COMPANY decision, not a local unions. Supposedly we will here more in the next week or so as the company informs the Union of the plan. If the cars were selling, and people of all shifts would come to work, this could have been avoided, but neither of those things happened, so it is, what it is. Life in the Automotive Industry. And YES, you can blame the folks on C crew for the attendance problem. How many times have they been unable to start the line due to lack of manpower? I know that last summer, it was almost every Friday, and Saturday. The other crews did not have that happen. I know of onmly one time it happened on A crew, and that was due to a major storm causing power outages all over town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted April 16, 2015 Author Share Posted April 16, 2015 (edited) And YES, you can blame the folks on C crew for the attendance problem. How many times have they been unable to start the line due to lack of manpower? I know that last summer, it was almost every Friday, and Saturday. The other crews did not have that happen. I know of onmly one time it happened on A crew, and that was due to a major storm causing power outages all over town. Friday and Saturday? Dream on. It was damn near every day from profit sharing day all the way through to damn near Halloween. It just so happens that Friday and (especially) Saturday were the worst days. The only day i can excuse it was that Monday in August when there was flooding all over the place. I guarantee it will only get worse until the end of C-Crew. Edited April 16, 2015 by fuzzymoomoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
focusfrank Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 The local union does NOT know what's going on completely as yet. The Company dropped the bomb on them, and they reported it to the membership as soon as they were told of it. Right now, they are awaiting the company to finalize plans so that you and I can be better informed. You can sit here on your computer and blame whoever the hell you want, but please put blame where it belongs...this is a COMPANY decision, not a local unions. Supposedly we will here more in the next week or so as the company informs the Union of the plan. If the cars were selling, and people of all shifts would come to work, this could have been avoided, but neither of those things happened, so it is, what it is. Life in the Automotive Industry. And YES, you can blame the folks on C crew for the attendance problem. How many times have they been unable to start the line due to lack of manpower? I know that last summer, it was almost every Friday, and Saturday. The other crews did not have that happen. I know of onmly one time it happened on A crew, and that was due to a major storm causing power outages all over town. The union and management is to blame for the poor attendance problem you speak of. They should have stood their ground when this shift was added and not covered anyone instead of passing out P codes like they were Halloween candy. They created this mess and let it get out of control. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted April 16, 2015 Author Share Posted April 16, 2015 The union and management is to blame for the poor attendance problem you speak of. They should have stood their ground when this shift was added and not covered anyone instead of passing out P codes like they were Halloween candy. They created this mess and let it get out of control. How about the people that have 11, 12, 13 AWOLS on their record? Its totally inexcusable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmsford Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Friday and Saturday? Dream on. It was damn near every day from profit sharing day all the way through to damn near Halloween. It just so happens that Friday and (especially) Saturday were the worst days. The only day i can excuse it was that Monday in August when there was flooding all over the place. I guarantee it will only get worse until the end of C-Crew. I saw this coming a mile away. I knew when Ford started the tier-2 that we'd have huge attendance problems. What the hell does the company expect??? You pay people a good wage and treat them right they'll appreciate what they have and show up to work. When you pay people shit wages for shittier work you will have problems. You get what you pay for. And the worst part is that the company doesn't give two shits, they'll just "FIRE" um lay off and then hire new dogs in a few months Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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