focusfrank Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Is there any legal notice of layoff in Mich.? I know that laws vary in different jurisdictions, but when we lost a shift in Ontario the bottom 1100 people had to have 16 WEEKS notice. No one got laid off because of retirements and buy outs. When the plant finally closed the notice had to be given again, the full 16 weeks. This notice varies with the number of people affected, from 8 weeks for 50 people to 16 weeks for 500 or more. This only applies to permanent lay offs not the regular ups and downs of the auto industry. C Crew has to be notified today April 20th in order for the company to eliminate the shift by June 19th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niteeyes Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 (edited) C crew is getting layed off due to attendance, no other plants wants them cause they need double the man power to ensure they have enough people to run the shift, Those with good attendance will be offered to transfer, those with out. Good bye. Oh yea, Those who think, I better start showing up, A bit late for that don't ya think. Trailfndr nail it above and no commets on his input. Edited April 20, 2015 by niteeyes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted April 20, 2015 Author Share Posted April 20, 2015 C Crew has to be notified today April 20th in order for the company to eliminate the shift by June 19th. I literally just overheard Scott Elliot tell someone that the company is saying they have until Wednesday to formally announce it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
focusfrank Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 I literally just overheard Scott Elliot tell someone that the company is saying they have until Wednesday to formally announce it. I believe Scott but his union reps that's another thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
focusfrank Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 C crew is getting layed off due to attendance, no other plants wants them cause they need double the man power to ensure they have enough people to run the shift, Those with good attendance will be offered to transfer, those with out. Good bye. Oh yea, Those who think, I better start showing up, A bit late for that don't ya think. Trailfndr nail it above and no commets on his input. U say it's due to attendance and others say it due to poor sales Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hee haw Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 C crew is getting layed off due to attendance, no other plants wants them cause they need double the man power to ensure they have enough people to run the shift, Those with good attendance will be offered to transfer, those with out. Good bye. Oh yea, Those who think, I better start showing up, A bit late for that don't ya think. Trailfndr nail it above and no commets on his input. Is the junior 500 people all on C crew? Or will the senior people get moved to A or B and some be laid off from these shifts? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niteeyes Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 attendance will be the deciding factor, not seniority, with full union backing. They want employees willing to come to work everyday. Sales may be slowing down on the Focus but other products are selling well, those plants don't want our problem employees, but will take those who show a real work ethic, mainly showing up and putting in a days work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niteeyes Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 just so your aware, this is just my opinion. but I have heard a few things through the grape vine, just like everyone else. either way, it's just an opinion so don't bet your house on it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madime39 Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 I literally just overheard Scott Elliot tell someone that the company is saying they have until Wednesday to formally announce it. Correct me if I'm wrong: If shutdown begins Monday, June 22, C-crew will finish their "work week" that day, yes? If the company has to give 60 days notice, that deadline would be Wednesday or Thursday. Where in the contract does it say they have to give 60 days notice? I've never heard that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted April 21, 2015 Author Share Posted April 21, 2015 Correct me if I'm wrong: If shutdown begins Monday, June 22, C-crew will finish their "work week" that day, yes? If the company has to give 60 days notice, that deadline would be Wednesday or Thursday. Where in the contract does it say they have to give 60 days notice? I've never heard that. Our "work week" ends Monday, but the pay period ends Sunday. Out last day is supposed to be June 21. The 60 day notice thing isn't a union thing, it's state law Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madime39 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Our "work week" ends Monday, but the pay period ends Sunday. Out last day is supposed to be June 21. The 60 day notice thing isn't a union thing, it's state law OK, thanks for the info. So Wednesday would be the deadline. I was laid off in the late 70s. Best advice I can give is sock away as much money as you can right now and eliminate ANY extras. That's rough, I truly hope it works out ok for you guys. Trust me, there are a lot of us that feel for you all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
focusfrank Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Our "work week" ends Monday, but the pay period ends Sunday. Out last day is supposed to be June 21. The 60 day notice thing isn't a union thing, it's state law State Law specifying what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madime39 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 State Law specifying what? I had never heard that law either. This explains it: http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/layoff-protections-michigan-employees.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwings_rule Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 (edited) Cap is losing the MKS and Taurus. They will both be moving to the Fusion Chassis. MKS will be the New Lincoln Continental which wont be built at CAP. As for the Taurus who knows. The police Taurus will still be built there. The Explorer will need to keep selling like hotcakes for CAP to keep 3 shifts. You are spot on with all of it. Edited April 21, 2015 by Redwings_rule 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted April 21, 2015 Author Share Posted April 21, 2015 I had never heard that law either. This explains it: http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/layoff-protections-michigan-employees.html thats the one, I didn't realize it was federal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chassisgroupleader Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 You are spot on with all of it. The MKS provided many jobs at Chicago, once it's gone there will be a lot of employees being displaced. I really think the end of the C-crew in Chicago is near. 3 shifts is terrible for Quality! Not worth it, Plus people don't come to work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chassisgroupleader Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Our "work week" ends Monday, but the pay period ends Sunday. Out last day is supposed to be June 21. The 60 day notice thing isn't a union thing, it's state law Do employers have to give notice of impending layoffs?Employers are legally required to give employees notice if the layoff will involve a large number of employees or the closing of a plant. The federal WARN Act requires employers with at least 100 employees to give 60 days' notice before a plant closing or mass layoff. If the employer doesn't give the required notice, and doesn't fit into an exception to the law's requirements, employees may be entitled to pay in lieu of notice. See Nolo's article Layoffs and Plant Closings: Know Your Rights for more information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
focusfrank Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Regardless of the reasons, we should be upset with the union for not coming around and keeping everyone informed on What's going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted April 21, 2015 Author Share Posted April 21, 2015 (edited) I'm more mad at the company for dropping a bomb like this and not having any sort of additional info to pass along I don't want to sound like an apologist but I really believe that if they know what the plan is, we would be told something Edited April 21, 2015 by fuzzymoomoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
focusfrank Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 I'm more mad at the company for dropping a bomb like this and not having any sort of additional info to pass along I don't want to sound like an apologist but I really believe that if they know what the plan is, we would be told something I don't know anymore now Monday night then i did Tuesday morning when i found out and i found out by word of mouth NOT THE UNION Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted April 21, 2015 Author Share Posted April 21, 2015 I don't know anymore now Monday night then i did Tuesday morning when i found out and i found out by word of mouth NOT THE UNIONDo you know for fact that any of it is true though? So many rumors are false I don't know what to believe until it happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
focusfrank Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Do you know for fact that any of it is true though? So many rumors are false I don't know what to believe until it happens. I've been suspicious of it from the start, I've heard this all before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Believe half of what you see, and none of what you hear. There are some sick people in this company that get off on spreading false rumors. Rumors that cause lower seniority to have more stress in their lives than they need or deserve. Don't give them the satisfaction of seeing you sweat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
focusfrank Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Believe half of what you see, and none of what you hear. There are some sick people in this company that get off on spreading false rumors. Rumors that cause lower seniority to have more stress in their lives than they need or deserve. Don't give them the satisfaction of seeing you sweat. Very well said my brother!! To add to this, this was all something that was rumored to be happening, not a definite thing and the union has always said this from day 1 of this talk. So if your tier 2 takev"Pioneers" advice,and I'll add the longer this drags out the more likely hood of it not being true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTP'er Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Wow, the other half of the local have already told there people it's going to happen so I don't know what your half is waiting for. This is from our chairman and bargaining reps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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