MAPguy Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 So after the 1-2 weeks it will take to ratify the GM contract (if it is in fact ratified) and the upcoming holidays, I wonder if our contract will be settled, voted on and ratified by years end? I would think that Ford would want this settled before years end, but will the IUAW be willing to work through holidays and scheduled days off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ktp1989 Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Discussions are ongoing right now to see if they will start dealing with Ford while waiting on GM to vote...basically the contracts will mirror each other except a few items...I say go for it and wrap this up before Thanksgiving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 (edited) Nah, drag it out longer! Vote it down twice! Edited October 29, 2015 by fuzzymoomoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAPguy Posted October 29, 2015 Author Share Posted October 29, 2015 (edited) This contract will not be settled by Thanksgiving. After Thanksgiving we skate right into the Christmas season, and I doubt that the IUAW or the Company negotiators will be willing to change their holiday plans, so only time will tell if our contact will be ratified by the end 0f 2015. If it is better for Ford to pay bonuses before the end of the year, they may get it done, but only if Ford pushes for it to happen. Without a push from Ford to wrap this up in 2105, I think we will be voting after the new year. Edited October 29, 2015 by MAPguy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niteeyes Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 I'd bet were already done, Just waiting on GM vote. voting will happen while i'm off deer hunting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlecountry Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 This will be wrapped up by year's end for tax reasons 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tooltime Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 (edited) i imagine they set a strike deadline and finish bargaining at ford once the GM agreement passes. Anyone know exactly when GM is done voting? Edited October 29, 2015 by tooltime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caustic Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 GM is voting that shit down. They should be put to the back of the bus and shift to us. If they want to go back to the table, they should have to wait instead of fucking this up for all of us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downtime1 Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 GM is voting that shit down. They should be put to the back of the bus and shift to us. If they want to go back to the table, they should have to wait instead of fucking this up for all of us. No let them settle their contract first, so what if they vote it down the first time. If their contract proposal doesn't pass the first time that only benefits us. Being that FMC has been more profitable then GM should get a better contract then them. And I don't mean just a bigger signing bonus, bigger raises for tier 1's and a shorter in progression time for tier 2's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tier2 Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 No let them settle their contract first, so what if they vote it down the first time. If their contract proposal doesn't pass the first time that only benefits us. Being that FMC has been more profitable then GM should get a better contract then them. And I don't mean just a bigger signing bonus, bigger raises for tier 1's and a shorter in progression time for tier 2's. Wall street doesn't see it that way. According to investors GM is a better company. Ford will not want to be seen as increasing labor cost. We won't get a penny more than GM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 Wall street doesn't see it that way. According to investors GM is a better company. Ford will not want to be seen as increasing labor cost. We won't get a penny more than GM.See this is the kind of shit that really pisses me offFuck investors, take care of your workers first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downtime1 Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 Wall street doesn't see it that way. According to investors GM is a better company. Ford will not want to be seen as increasing labor cost. We won't get a penny more than GM. FCA didn't want to increase it's labor costs either but thankfully their members stuck together and voted down their first contract proposal. Sounding like GM workers are going to do the same. And you say we won't get a penny more then GM, be smart and vote NO on our first contract proposal, don't be fooled by the signing bonus. If our contract doesn't pass the first time around there's always a possibility that they will offer us something better on the 2nd proposal, we won't know that unless we vote down the first one though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlecountry Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 See this is the kind of shit that really pisses me off Fuck investors, take care of your workers first. I'm a worker and investor so don't screw the investors! Investors are what helps the company with there cash flow! Those dividends they pay are nice, so becareful about screwing the investors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 I'm a worker and investor so don't screw the investors! Investors are what helps the company with there cash flow! Those dividends they pay are nice, so becareful about screwing the investors You aren't the type of person I'm talking about though. I'm talking about the rich fatheads who don't give a shit about the people that bust their ass and allows those big dividends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caustic Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 No let them settle their contract first, so what if they vote it down the first time. If their contract proposal doesn't pass the first time that only benefits us. Being that FMC has been more profitable then GM should get a better contract then them. And I don't mean just a bigger signing bonus, bigger raises for tier 1's and a shorter in progression time for tier 2's. Our deal is already done, just a formality now. Will be a bit bigger than GM's I assume. Question for you all. I heard a legacy employee tell a tier 2 today that in 2011 the signing bonus also counted as a chunk of the profit sharing, any truth to this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niteeyes Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 yep. Though I haven't seen that mentioned in any contract talk lately. I'm wondering why GM employees are so against this contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downtime1 Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Our deal is already done, just a formality now. Will be a bit bigger than GM's I assume. Question for you all. I heard a legacy employee tell a tier 2 today that in 2011 the signing bonus also counted as a chunk of the profit sharing, any truth to this? Wtf are you talking about its only a formality now?? If u mean that the IUAW and FMC already have the deal worked out that doesn't mean shit if it doesn't pass.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caustic Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 (edited) Wtf are you talking about its only a formality now?? If u mean that the IUAW and FMC already have the deal worked out that doesn't mean shit if it doesn't pass..I know that, I worded that poorly. Our deal is done, all that needs to happen is GM to finish and our vote. If GM turns it down then our deal might be reshaped but I believe most terms are already ironed out. Edited October 31, 2015 by caustic 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cecilmeyer Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Our deal is already done, just a formality now. Will be a bit bigger than GM's I assume. Question for you all. I heard a legacy employee tell a tier 2 today that in 2011 the signing bonus also counted as a chunk of the profit sharing, any truth to this? Completely true.I could not believe the insult to the membership to offer us a bonus that was our money.If they do it again I am voting no 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decker Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 (edited) Our deal is already done, just a formality now. Will be a bit bigger than GM's I assume. Question for you all. I heard a legacy employee tell a tier 2 today that in 2011 the signing bonus also counted as a chunk of the profit sharing, any truth to this? Yes caustic they did combine the signing bonus and a part of a years profit sharing. One contract in the recent past. It was sold as a benefit to the membership "because" it secured the first part of the profit sharing from any 4th quarter loss the company may have had. Again just a have truth, the company was on track and had projected no loss in the 4th quarter. But the membership paid the highest legal level of taxes on both parts. It was a complete insult to the membership as cecilmeyer said. Without batting an eye Jimmy smiled and said they had secured a bigger bonus for the membership. Edited October 31, 2015 by Decker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chassis grunt Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 I heard a legacy employee tell a tier 2 today that in 2011 the signing bonus also counted as a chunk of the profit sharing, any truth to this? no. in 2011 our signing bonus was $6,000. they also, on top of that, paid out the profit sharing for the first 2 quarters that november. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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